Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[LadyL]

IMO:
Who needs proof of murder ?
Does she think the evidence used against her husband in his bail applications/indictment/superseding indictments that list the most evil, heinous,desires and actions were just made up by the prosecution including the DNA evidence that connects her husband, daughter and herself?
If that in itself didn't make her cut all ties with husband then nothing will and expect her to continue defending him for years as the investigations continues and if he ever goes to trial and is convicted then come the appeals on each murder conviction.

Asa claims all she knows is what the media is reporting.
IMO:
That in itself tells you that if she admits to having read all the evidence the prosecution has put forward against her husband then she couldn't try and play stupid, a ruse she failed miserably at.

Wouldn't most of us try to support a family member? And perhaps we might feel sure the accusation were wrong from what we KNOW. However, the evidence presented in the bail documents (available for AE) seems so conclusive -- he was leaving the office at 8:30 the night he was arrested; neighbors say he burned things late at night -- my memory would bring all those uneasy times back. Even if I had not known at the time, I feel fairly certain my memories and the evidence presented in the documents would take my mind to the truth. Perhaps she will remain outwardly supportive regardless. Some spouses do.

I couldn't agree more. It does not make sense to reserve judgment on the basics. Murder and dismemberment are bad; you don't need to see the evidence.

I understand supporting a family member accused of horrific crimes. You might think them not guilty; you might be in denial. You might understand their special circumstances and have more forgiveness than the general public. You might think they are just as guilty as the prosecutors are saying, but still want the best possible legal outcome for a loved one.

But it is manipulation to claim you have to wait for court to form an opinion if you are a family member. There is plenty of information for all of us to discuss. 14 threads and still going strong. Sharing that opinion? Optional. A family member can say they are remaining private. But they are certainly forming an opinion.

I understand that it is the opinion of the jurors that matters for conviction or acquittal. But a family member is not a juror. They don't have a responsibility to stay neutral in making their decision. It's the opposite; they are expected to have an opinion that the jury is to be protected from. Efforts are made to illicit only facts and not opinions from witnesses who might have a bias.

The wife obviously does not want privacy. She's sending her criminal lawyer everywhere to speak for her. She also signed a large contract to sell her connection to the alleged atrocities.

She's getting her side out in public. She's not waiting for more information.

MOO

I'm just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, like we do all families of criminals. We don't know for a fact that she has read everything or exposed herself to the details in the media. Or that she's not in denial. If she has visited RH, I can see him continuing to manipulate her like he surely has in the past. I'll reserve judgment until after the trial.

 

[LadyL]

Wouldn't most of us try to support a family member? And perhaps we might feel sure the accusation were wrong from what we KNOW. However, the evidence presented in the bail documents (available for AE) seems so conclusive -- he was leaving the office at 8:30 the night he was arrested; neighbors say he burned things late at night -- my memory would bring all those uneasy times back. Even if I had not known at the time, I feel fairly certain my memories and the evidence presented in the documents would take my mind to the truth. Perhaps she will remain outwardly supportive regardless. Some spouses do.

Sometimes it takes me years to reconcile certain behaviours in situations. Sometimes I have a revelation and say omg wth was I thinking? That time may yet be coming for her.

 

[LadyL]

I have no reason believe she is in a dire financial situation. At the very least she has brought in $1,075,000 in the last year.

do you know that she has already been paid? I would think that payment would come after the documentary is made IMO

 

[SharD]

That's very interesting. There are 8.53 miles from New Bedford to Westport in southwest direction and 13 miles (20.92 kilometers) by car, following the US-6 route.

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From article: A spokesperson for the agency said the FBI's Evidence Response Team is out on Route 88 in Westport "in connection with an ongoing, multi-jurisdictional investigation."
One would wonder if RH is tied into the murders in New Bedford, the New Bedford Highway Killer.
Source: "The women, in their 20s and 30s, had ties to drugs and prostitution in the New Bedford area and began vanishing from the streets in March 1988. The first of the nine bodies recovered was discovered along Route 140 in New Bedford in July 1988."
Read More: After 35 Years New Bedford Highway Killings Remain Unresolved | After 35 Years New Bedford Highway Killings Remain Unresolved

Just found this for New Bedford Highway Killer: Victims were found along or near ramps for Interstate 195 and Route 140 and Route 88 in Freetown, Marion, Westport, and Dartmouth.

Doe Network: International Center For Missing and Unidentified Persons

Doe Network is an all-volunteer organization dedicated to bringing awareness to missing persons and unidentified persons throughout the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Europe, and Australia.

www.doenetwork.org

That's really interesting, honestly. People early on (including myself) have wondered about RH and a connection to New Bedford. And as another strange note, the name of one of the victims is Marilyn Roberts (RH alias "Andy Roberts")

The list of victims suggests a Hispanic perp.

Sexually motivated serial killers generally kill what they are attracted to/what matters to them. Most of the victims are Hispanic.

 

[eishish]

The list of victims suggests a Hispanic perp.

Sexually motivated serial killers generally kill what they are attracted to/what matters to them. Most of the victims are Hispanic.

Had read were looking for specific evidence. Paper bags, buckets left the scene so they have evidence. Any, all sc, murderers convicted is a win, closure for all. If responsible for gilgo, Rex had taste for petite mostly. Hoisting, controlling easier. He did have Costilla, possibly Vergata which wld fit this bill...

 

[Ruminations]

The list of victims suggests a Hispanic perp.

Sexually motivated serial killers generally kill what they are attracted to/what matters to them. Most of the victims are Hispanic.

I read the community has a lot of Portuguese-Americans. Many several generations in.

MOO

 

[snooptroop88]

The list of victims suggests a Hispanic perp.

Sexually motivated serial killers generally kill what they are attracted to/what matters to them. Most of the victims are Hispanic.

Would definitely agree the perp may be Hispanic, and might even go as far as could likely be Hispanic, but I don't really think the perp "has to be" Hispanic.

Many of the victims do not appear to be Hispanic. If it's an SK, he's not going to be asking if they're Hispanic. To my knowledge, at least some of the victims are not in reality Hispanic, either. But understood that this is something to consider, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is RH. But it might be, and that's something to consider, too.

 

[eishish]

Would definitely agree the perp may be Hispanic, and might even go as far as could likely be Hispanic, but I don't really think the perp "has to be" Hispanic.

Many of the victims do not appear to be Hispanic. If it's an SK, he's not going to be asking if they're Hispanic. To my knowledge, at least some of the victims are not in reality Hispanic, either. But understood that this is something to consider, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is RH. But it might be, and that's something to consider, too.

Add to that Rex was single, 25 yo. He did not marry til 90, these took place 88, 89. Married Asa 96. Just important details

 

[CuriousCricket]

do you know that she has already been paid? I would think that payment would come after the documentary is made IMO

I would expect her attorney negotiated at least an advance, perhaps a "signing bonus". I doubt she got the majority of the money, but she's probably gotten some and will, perhaps, continue to get paid for her "appearances".

 

[Ruminations]

Would definitely agree the perp may be Hispanic, and might even go as far as could likely be Hispanic, but I don't really think the perp "has to be" Hispanic.

Many of the victims do not appear to be Hispanic. If it's an SK, he's not going to be asking if they're Hispanic. To my knowledge, at least some of the victims are not in reality Hispanic, either. But understood that this is something to consider, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is RH. But it might be, and that's something to consider, too.

It's a very Portuguese area- traditional whaling town.

I noticed one of the victims was Cape Verdean. Cape Verde was once a Portuguese colony.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

Could Rex be responsible for the New Bedford Highway killings?

If it becomes known that Rex went to or through this area at the time of the murders, I am going to say it is very plausible he murdered these women in rather quick succession. Then tried to control himself by getting engaged and married.

He'd have to have a reason to be in or drive through the area.

The things that make me think it's plausible is the mention that the culprit may have used a badge, which we have heard about Rex, and that the victims were picked up one place and left another- always by a road.

The thing that makes it less plausible is he'd need a reason to make nearly a dozen trips to that area. It's not really that far and could be a pleasant day trip- but it's not that close either. It's not a commute- it's a trip.

MOO

The terrifying serial killer who killed at least nine women - and got away with it

Scores of unsolved crimes have flown under the radar across America for years. Sheila Flynn chronicles the weirdest hair-raising cases

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Onlyguessing23]

Could Rex be responsible for the New Bedford Highway killings?

If it becomes known that Rex went to or through this area at the time of the murders, I am going to say it is very plausible he murdered these women in rather quick succession. Then tried to control himself by getting engaged and married.

He'd have to have a reason to be in or drive through the area.

The things that make me think it's plausible is the mention that the culprit may have used a badge, which we have heard about Rex, and that the victims were picked up one place and left another- always by a road.

The thing that makes it less plausible is he'd need a reason to make nearly a dozen trips to that area. It's not really that far and could be a pleasant day trip- but it's not that close either. It's not a commute- it's a trip.

MOO

Unless the slayings were the reason for his trips. I recall in his notes on HK document a reminder to not charge gas - made me think he was planning trips rather than just local.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Sandra Costilla has never been noted to be a sex worker. I've seen articles saying she had a "drifter" type of lifestyle.

Who Are Sandra Costilla And Jessica Taylor? Gilgo Beach victims revealed

Rex Heuermann, the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer, has been charged with more murders.

www.newsweek.com

As bright light streams into RH's twisted past, though, I'd be almost certain they're going to uncover (probably many) more murders of non-SWs. And definitely his earliest kills-- jmo, there will be more non-SWs if LE can penetrate deep enough, and it'll help if RH starts cooperating (like Cottingham), which may come later. Would be convinced there's more to come from RH's "records" as well, so am waiting and watching.

This is what I believe too.... I feel that earlier victims were not sex workers. Maybe just easy sex.

Lets face it.... As RH got older, maybe he had to work harder to get what he wanted, and I am sure he thought there would be less publicity if they were sex worker.
Maybe when younger, he felt he could take more risk. Extensive use of and databasing of DNA was not around in his early years.

I just hope we can get deeper.
I do keep our ol favorite WS line in my head............. "LE knows so much more than we do"

 

[dotr]

Repost, snippets from lengthy article to keep places where RH worked in mind.

We’re Only Just Starting to Unpack Rex Heuermann’s New York

In the weeks since the Gilgo Beach murder suspect was arrested, his alleged double life has cast new light on an otherwise mundane professional life in the city and its suburbs.

www.vanityfair.com

BY DAN ADLER AUGUST 7, 2023 rbbm
''He founded his firm, RH Consultants & Associates, in 1994. RH worked on a Target in SoHo, a Foot Locker near Yankee Stadium, and a hair salon in the Meatpacking District, among other buildings.''

''His expertise was in expediting projects through arcane city building codes rather than in architectural design. Ginia Bellafante, writing for The New York Times, examined how Heuermann exerted influence in the tonier townhouses of Brooklyn, where architects of more visible prestige would need his help shepherding through their wealthy clients’ renovations. “As a journeyman who held bureaucratic authority,” she wrote, “he could veto the plans of architects with degrees from Yale and projects in Nantucket.” Mary Shell, an employee of his around the time of the murders, wrote in New York that “He did what he needed to do,” Miyasato said, referring to Heuermann’s work as a building code compliance consultant. “He certainly communicated with all of us on a regular basis that he was an expert at that.”

“Listen, it’s very hard to be passionate about building department codes,” the engineer said. “I mean, it’s boring. But he was very into it. Loved it. Most people do it because you have to, you have to apply the codes to your craft, but he literally thrived on it.”

 

[Ruminations]

Unless the slayings were the reason for his trips. I recall in his notes on HK document a reminder to not charge gas - made me think he was planning trips rather than just local.

It's 4 1/2- 5 1/2 hours by the ferry route. More by bridges. Traffic would greatly impact the time the trip takes, but I assume the roads are less congested during peak murder hours. At his age at the time, 25ish, I've done longer trips for one overnight/short stays. And both routes, ferry or through the city, would have been much less monitored at the time. I imagine by bridges in the eighties, you could avoid cameras and witnesses entirely. On the ferry, you could be remembered.

Also...EVERYTHING costs more on an island. Craig Heuermann's vehicular manslaughter occurred high on cocaine. If it were a family hobby to indulge, it's possible Rex shopped at a discount there.

MOO


Edit to add a thought.

When I search for related news stories, I find links that lead to "ooops. No longer available." But the blurbs with the links on the search say that there is evidence there is one killer- DNA evidence. So I think there will be a satisfyingly solid rule-in or rule out on New Bedford.

MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

It's 4 1/2- 5 1/2 hours by the ferry route. More by bridges. Traffic would greatly impact the time the trip takes, but I assume the roads are less congested during peak murder hours. At his age at the time, 25ish, I've done longer trips for one overnight/short stays. And both routes, ferry or through the city, would have been much less monitored at the time. I imagine by bridges in the eighties, you could avoid cameras and witnesses entirely. On the ferry, you could be remembered.

Also...EVERYTHING costs more on an island. Craig Heuermann's vehicular manslaughter occurred high on cocaine. If it were a family hobby to indulge, it's possible Rex shopped at a discount there.

MOO


Edit to add a thought.

When I search for related news stories, I find links that lead to "ooops. No longer available." But the blurbs with the links on the search say that there is evidence there is one killer- DNA evidence. So I think there will be a satisfyingly solid rule-in or rule out on New Bedford.

MOO

thanks for your edit: I run into the same thing.... When it looks as if it is interesting data at the link, but it is not available. You phrased it just about right. Hard to do!!

 

[gremlin444]

Dang, this isn't an easy search....

New Bedford highway killer DNA mentions:

New Bedford Highway Serial Killer Mystery Remains Unsolved More Than 30 Years Later

Eleven women vanished from the same area of New Bedford during March of 1988 and April of 1989, but the New Bedford highway killer has not yet been arrested.

www.cbsnews.com

2/11/21
"We are utilizing the most up to date to technology in this case and several other cold cases from previous administrations. We have completed DNA testing in the case, which remains active and ongoing."

6/27/24

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806423982683390272

"Fun fact: @OthramTech said months ago how they were willing to take on the challenge of the New Bedford Highway Serial Killer case in Massachusetts. Hope to see the Bristol County DAs Office or @MassStatePolice accept the offer for support. "

4/27/18

https://www.wpri.com/target-12/30-years-later-southern-new-england-highway-killings-remain-unsolved/

"The serial killings predated DNA technology, but in 2008 some of the evidence was sent to the FBI for testing. The results are now stored in a federal database, waiting for a potential match that would alert authorities."

 

[eishish]

Unless the slayings were the reason for his trips. I recall in his notes on HK document a reminder to not charge gas - made me think he was planning trips rather than just local.

His property in Reading was 1.5 hours from this locale. Straight line

 

[indicolite22]

Out of six victims officially linked to RH so far, how many he likely did not murder in his home?
His and his first wife's DNA was found on the first (1993) victim Sandra Costilla. Did he take her home? She was mutilated but only Jessica Taylor (2003) was dismembered as well. Where did that take place? If he did not murder exclusively at home, then technically he didn't have to rely on his family being out of town. Other potential victims between Sandra and Jessica (Karen Vergata - 1996, Peaches - 1997 and Valerie Mack - 2000) were all dismembered. Wouldn't leaving body parts at different locations increase the chances of getting caught? He wrote his how-to manual around 2000. How many did he murder before then?

 

[Ruminations]

His property in Reading was 1.5 hours from this locale. Straight line

Was that confirmed to be his property ?

I vaguely remember reading MA was a myth.

But who knows. Maybe the source was one of the family's lying lawyers.

MOO