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This is my logic.

There is simply no way that Asa is not a witness.

If she is not guilty of any crimes at all, the downside for her testifying to what she knows for her is she is testifying against her own husband and the father of her daughter-not pleasant but better than...

If she is a culpable witness, she very likely is a whole lot less culpable than Rex. Therefore, the risk for her being charged with crimes, but that risk goes down dramatically if the prosecutors think you can help them, and are partially victimized into committing crimes. The risk is testifying against yourself with all its shame, plus the same problems above.

What does Rex want? To be acquitted. One witness he has some control over is his wife. How would he exercise that control? 1) Scare her into thinking she is going to jail if she testifies, if she could be led to believe that. 2) appeal to her love to her husband and daughter. 3) Remind her that you won't be earning money in jail, but if she is the right kind of witness, my lawyers friend can get you a cool million 4) tell everyone she's crazy, sick, checked out, and otherwise discredit her testimony.

What did the pre-task force power structure want more than anything? To avoid solving crimes such as LISK. Are those pre-task force people gone? No, but they are weakened. How are they exerting their influence? By trying to slow the roll against Rex Heuermann.

As Betty pointed out, nobody is claiming that Shannan's murder was by Rex Heuermann. But it is very clear that for whatever reason, the people who do not want LISK solved also do not want Shannan's murder solved. John Ray is doggedly on the side of justice. And, BTW, the purpose of civil suits is not just money. It is a way an ordinary citizen has access to courts and judges and taking depositions. This, IMO, was the main reason behind John Ray's wrongful death action. Because of that action, we have depositions from Oak Beach residents and, most importantly, Shannan's 911 call. The civil action was John Ray's access to those things. As he pointed out, the guy he's suing does not have money; he's not after the money. He's after information about murder in a county where there is a well-documented history of actively avoiding solving murders.

Enter Macedonio, the transactional man who owes his ability to practice to the exact people who obstructed justice so explicitly that they were (or are) incarcerated.

What can he do to help his felon friends? He can do damage control. He can interfere with a very important witness, Asa Ellerup. He can discredit her testimony by saying she's crazy. He can fail to mention negotiating mercy or clemency, if she even needed it, and instead just threaten her with prosecution.

And he can discredit John Ray, the person who doggedly and without financial gain has fought the power structure of Suffolk County in an effort to solve murders.

Don't believe it when you hear anything discrediting Asa's ability to see, hear, and think about the things around her. And ask yourself if in fact John Ray has been wrong about anything before believing those who dismiss him.

May the task force remain strong. Thank you, Rodney Harrison. And justice for Shannan; may her murderer be identified. Justice for Maureen, Melissa, Megan, Amber, Sandra, and Jessica.

MOO
Good stuff here Ruminations^^! And I am reminded of that part in certain episodes of The First 48 on A&E when one of the investigators looks at an individual in the interrogation room and calmly asks them: “would you like to be a witness or a suspect?”……. and sometimes they add….. you might want to think about that a minute before answering. And the detectives might also comment that the walls of these rooms and jails are filled with people that made the wrong selection.

This case might also continue to get more involved it seems IMO? MOO
 
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Good stuff here Ruminations^^! And I am reminded of that part in certain episodes of The First 48 on A&E when one of the investigators looks at an individual in the interrogation room and calmly asks them: “would you like to be a witness or a suspect?”……. and sometimes they add….. you might want to think about that a minute before answering. And the detectives might also comment that the walls of these rooms and jails are filled with people that made the wrong selection.

This case might also continue to get more involved it seems IMO? MOO
By all appearances, Asa is not going to be in a position to answer that question, because she is not going to be interviewed. Macedonio has all ready said as much.

It is very sad for the victims. I bet Asa could help them get answers if she wanted.

MOO
 
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So I'm in Australia and unfamiliar with Us counties etc There is a place called Tomahawk in Wisconsin and Wausau county could it be that . T/hawk and a lake for fishing.
Also Tomahawk is a cut of meat a steak.
Look at this lady's tattoo
That doesn't appear to match Cherries' tattoo (although I did have to do a double look), Cherries was found in 2007, and Wisconsin is quite far from New York. Interesting catch, though.
 
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Asa is an adult, and theoretically could just fire him. But my intuition is Macedonio has a lot of power over her that he is abusing.

He treats her like a classic abuser treats their targets: like she needs him. She has to get her mental health together. She is losing health insurance in New York! She has two kinds of cancer! She has to get a few pipes replaced in her house! She is fragile and needs me to get by.

In the mean time, she had had a couple of months of insurance, her lawyer could have negotiated in divorcing that Rex's business continue to pay her premiums, being that he filed divorce for her. But he was silent on any responsibility by Rex to provide this. It is against federal law to drop insurance - she'd have to have the opportunity to keep paying it herself. And in New York, there are multiple options for new insurance.

Asa could have continued to pay the insurance premiums if her lawyer was unable to compel Rex's business to do so. Around this time, and until Macedonia sabotaged it, Asa had vigorous community support, and a regular influx of gift cards and cash gifts. Her neighbors volunteered to help her clean up her place. But like a classic abuser, Macedonio first took credit for, then separated her from, her support system.

MOO
IMO:
AE's relationship with Macedonio does not bode well for her.
She went from the frying pan into the furnace and I wouldn't be surprised if one day all the chickens come home to roost.
 
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Investigators have forwarded 15 "credible" reports from sex workers who may have had encounters with suspected serial killer Rex A. Heuermann to the Gilgo Beach task force after speaking with nearly 300 Long Island women living behind bars.

Suffolk County Sheriff Errol Toulon Jr. told Newsday on Monday his investigators spoke to 298 sex workers in Suffolk and Nassau correctional facilities since Heuermann was arrested in July 2023. The investigators are planning to interview sex workers in New York City’s Rikers Island about Heuermann later this month, he added.

“My staff has been deemed as subject matter experts,” Toulon said. “That is why Nassau and New York City want them to come in and speak to these sex workers.”

Task force investigators will ultimately decide what evidence is relevant and could be used against Heuermann…

 
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Investigators have forwarded 15 "credible" reports from sex workers who may have had encounters with suspected serial killer Rex A. Heuermann to the Gilgo Beach task force after speaking with nearly 300 Long Island women living behind bars.

Suffolk County Sheriff Errol Toulon Jr. told Newsday on Monday his investigators spoke to 298 sex workers in Suffolk and Nassau correctional facilities since Heuermann was arrested in July 2023. The investigators are planning to interview sex workers in New York City’s Rikers Island about Heuermann later this month, he added.

“My staff has been deemed as subject matter experts,” Toulon said. “That is why Nassau and New York City want them to come in and speak to these sex workers.”

Task force investigators will ultimately decide what evidence is relevant and could be used against Heuermann…

Curious if it's relevant to LE if any of the info they've gathered corroborates the claims LP the swinger made in her affidavit?
 
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Curious if it's relevant to LE if any of the info they've gathered corroborates the claims LP the swinger made in her affidavit?
They said they only forwarded credible claims, so probably not.
 
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Investigators have forwarded 15 "credible" reports from sex workers who may have had encounters with suspected serial killer Rex A. Heuermann to the Gilgo Beach task force after speaking with nearly 300 Long Island women living behind bars.

Suffolk County Sheriff Errol Toulon Jr. told Newsday on Monday his investigators spoke to 298 sex workers in Suffolk and Nassau correctional facilities since Heuermann was arrested in July 2023. The investigators are planning to interview sex workers in New York City’s Rikers Island about Heuermann later this month, he added.

“My staff has been deemed as subject matter experts,” Toulon said. “That is why Nassau and New York City want them to come in and speak to these sex workers.”

Task force investigators will ultimately decide what evidence is relevant and could be used against Heuermann…

That is on the island nearly 5 % of jailed sws have info on rex. W rikers being next up. Wow, what will be the final # be
 
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That is on the island nearly 20% of jailed sws have info on rex. W rikers being next up. Wow, what will be the final # be
15 as portion of 300, is 5%
Or am I missing something ?
 
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So I'm in Australia and unfamiliar with Us counties etc There is a place called Tomahawk in Wisconsin and Wausau county could it be that . T/hawk and a lake for fishing.
Also Tomahawk is a cut of meat a steak.
Look at this lady's tattoo
Cherries_tattoo_on_unidentified_murder_victim.jpg

This tattoo is from Wiki (Jane Doe, Cherries)
 
  • #14,312
There's a Tomahawk Lake in NJ, just putting that out there.
 
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They said they only forwarded credible claims, so probably not.

The swinger affidavit has been thoroughly vetted.

It is credible.

I'm looking forward to trial when we will probably learn the details only LE knows, such as the identity of the narc cop.

MOO
 
  • #14,315
Curious if it's relevant to LE if any of the info they've gathered corroborates the claims LP the swinger made in her affidavit?
Maybe. They must have used the accounts that aligned with their new material.

I just hope that SC ”confession rate” (97%) doesn’t factor in here.

But what can you do? And I have no reason to doubt the current task force…..it’s just easy to look for confirmation rather than analyze unbiased observations. That goes for everyone btw.

There is a need for speed. But it comes at a cost.
 
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Investigators have forwarded 15 "credible" reports from sex workers who may have had encounters with suspected serial killer Rex A. Heuermann to the Gilgo Beach task force after speaking with nearly 300 Long Island women living behind bars.

Suffolk County Sheriff Errol Toulon Jr. told Newsday on Monday his investigators spoke to 298 sex workers in Suffolk and Nassau correctional facilities since Heuermann was arrested in July 2023. The investigators are planning to interview sex workers in New York City’s Rikers Island about Heuermann later this month, he added.

“My staff has been deemed as subject matter experts,” Toulon said. “That is why Nassau and New York City want them to come in and speak to these sex workers.”

Task force investigators will ultimately decide what evidence is relevant and could be used against Heuermann…

This is from Oct.20,2023
The interviewing of sex workers has been ongoing which is great news that the investigation is continuing to cover all aspects of RH.

"LONG ISLAND - Interviews with incarcerated sex workers will hopefully offer specially trained investigators with the Suffolk County Sheriff’s Office insight into the actions and mindset of suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann.

Out of more than 140 interviews in Suffolk and Nassau Counties, Sheriff Errol Toulon Jr. says info from twelve women including two claims that detailed violent and aggressive encounters with the former architect will be passed on to the Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force for vetting."


https://www.websleuths.com/forums/https:

 
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Newsday interview with Sheriff Errol Toulon Jr on task forces set up for SW'ers interviews.
Interesting video on RH's entry into his jail and going forward.

@ 15:25 begins SW involvement in investigating the case.
 
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This is from Oct.20,2023
The interviewing of sex workers has been ongoing which is great news that the investigation is continuing to cover all aspects of RH.

"LONG ISLAND - Interviews with incarcerated sex workers will hopefully offer specially trained investigators with the Suffolk County Sheriff’s Office insight into the actions and mindset of suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann.

Out of more than 140 interviews in Suffolk and Nassau Counties, Sheriff Errol Toulon Jr. says info from twelve women including two claims that detailed violent and aggressive encounters with the former architect will be passed on to the Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force for vetting."


https://www.websleuths.com/forums/https:

I am hoping the task force stays strong.

No one person "is" the task force, but every voice in it has a role. Sheriff Toulon is part of the task force and I would think that his evaluation of credibility should matter as much as all parts, including State and Federal LE. The DA would have the most expertise on how it will work in trial. But they do not have the most expertise vetting.

I hope no parts of the task force are trying to be "in charge." I also hope every part has the humility and openness to information that Sheriff Toulon has. Sheriff Toulon is not acting like this is "his" task force. And I admire that.

But he is almost phrasing things like he is giving information to the task force, rather than gathering information as part of the task force. Maybe it's just his natural humility. Maybe it's Newsday editing. But that subtle separation of Toulon's work from the task force as a whole worries me. As much as every agency, the Sheriff Department IS the task force.


MOO
 
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Maybe. They must have used the accounts that aligned with their new material.

I just hope that SC ”confession rate” (97%) doesn’t factor in here.

But what can you do? And I have no reason to doubt the current task force…..it’s just easy to look for confirmation rather than analyze unbiased observations. That goes for everyone btw.

There is a need for speed. But it comes at a cost.

There is no reason to connect Sheriff Toulon to the Suffolk County detectives' infamous murder investigation MO: Identify perp then extract a confession.

I believe Snarast was referencing Jimmy the King- an excellent read. The confession rate is discussed there; Suffolk solved more murders by confession than expected statistically. A lot more. Some people don't think confession should be admissible evidence, especially not confessions from children or persons incarcerated or detained.

Toulon has very respectably spoken about his inmates. I get the impression he understands trafficking and addiction and financial desperation very well. He has empathy.

MOO
 
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Where is the Tomahawk reference coming from? tia
On page 18 of the initial Bail Application is mention of thawk080672@… opened under fictitious name of Thomas Hawk. (Snipped below)

IMG_1743.jpeg
 

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