Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Betty P]

And the hammer found with Belusko had the name “Lloyd L” carved into it.
Was it left by accident or on purpose to mislead?

This also makes me think of the belt found on Gilgo that had WH / HM carved into it.
Was it left by accident or on purpose?

If on purpose, it was a dumb move. It contained incriminating evidence, namely DNA.

 

[DS2021]

I highly doubt RH purposely chose that belt. I think he just grabbed it from his closet without thinking

 

[minazoe]

And the hammer found with Belusko had the name “Lloyd L” carved into it.
Was it left by accident or on purpose to mislead?

This also makes me think of the belt found on Gilgo that had WH / HM carved into it.
Was it left by accident or on purpose?

they should look for references like Loyd or LL etc.. in his writings. mOO

 

[minazoe]

I highly doubt RH purposely chose that belt. I think he just grabbed it from his closet without thinking

still it is a legitimate detail that should be assessed. mOO

 

[Betty P]

still it is a legitimate detail that should be assessed. mOO

Anything is possible with Rex H. JMO, I don't think LE has developed a complete profile on him yet, at least not one that's reliable.

 

[Passeridae]

I highly recommend reading this.
Too much info to try to fit here in the post

https:// [QUOTE="Adrian33, post: 19...t/the-other-asian-males-possible-lisk-victims

This Is potentially massive.

Also..
Staten Island has come up a few times during my googling research lately.

• Christine Belusko comes to mind. She had the scorpion tattoo. She was found in Staten Island, unidentified for years and with her body, was a hammer. The murderinc site did some digging into this.
• The (4402) phone number RH had in the manifesto was previously linked to a D. Goodling from the Bronx who is now passed. But her obit says “A. Azzara Funeral Home, 183 Sand Lane, Staten Island, NY 10305 has been entrusted with Danielle's funeral arrangements.”

All IMO

When it first came out that his architectural work had taken him to Staten Island frequently, I did some searching and found this story about a couple of cases similar to Christine Belusko (who is mentioned here but not yet identified): Body of woman found in woods recalls unsolved '90s homicides

I don't think any of the three sound especially similar to his known crimes, particularly the Susan Dalton case, but they're not so different that I'd immediately discount them, especially knowing he deliberately changed his disposal methods at least twice (Sandra Costilla was stabbed, partially clothed and not covered in anything, Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack were dismembered, the Gilgo Four were nude, bound and wrapped in material) and wrote notes on changing other aspects of his MO to avoid detection. Potentially he changed more frequently if he's linked to the other Gilgo and Manorviille victims.

 

[Passeridae]

If there is any confirmed link between Heuermann and Asian Doe or the Manorville John Does, I hope police take a fresh look at this man found on Staten Island, too. Heuermann had jobs out on Staten Island.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

ETA: He was murdered.

New details emerge in skeletal remains found in Staten Island wooded area

An update from the NYPD Wednesday included a description of the victim and a time frame in which death occurred.

www.silive.com

The fact that they said the means included sharp force makes me think there was more to it. Additionally, the description of the stab wounds sounds a bit like Sandra Costilla's murder.

Oh, one other thing about the Staten Island Doe: When I first saw him on NamUS, I looked at the rule-outs, and found Daniel Yuen was not a match for him. So I checked, and Daniel has never been ruled out as the Gilgo Beach Asian Doe (at least, not publicly).

Daniel Yuen was from Edison, New Jersey, but his parents had sent him to a CEDU school in San Bernardino County, California. He ran away from the school (allegedly) and has never been seen since. There are some signs that there may have been foul play at the school, and it was in the middle of nowhere, so if he tried to leave on foot he could still be in the wilderness around there. San Bernardino had a lot of flash floods right around the time he went missing, so he may have been caught in one, or he may simply have gotten lost.

If he did manage to get to town, though, odds are he would have headed back to the NYC area (which Edison is near), and he may not have tried to make contact with his parents. The possibility is strong enough that they checked to see if the murder victim in Staten Island was him, and ruled him out.

Additionally, while his parents said they sent him to CEDU due to depression and behavioral issues, and the San Bernardino CEDU was not linked to conversion therapy specifically, several CEDU schools were linked to CT. CEDU was also closely linked to the Synanon cult, which was very anti-LGBTQ. If that was why his parents sent Daniel to a CEDU school, that would greatly up the chances that he would not want to re-establish contact with his family. He was at the school only two weeks before he disappeared.

Personally, I don't think his photos look super similar to the forensic sketch of Asian Doe, though they're probably about as close as Valerie Mack and Karen Vergata were to their forensic sketches (no shade on the artist, it's such a difficult task and I really think Does should all have at least 2 or 3 sketches by different artists for that reason, really). He is the same height (5'6") and with his connections to the NYC area I think he should at least be ruled out. Daniel is still listed as missing and one of the stories below was from just a couple months ago, so I don't think he's been matched and they're just keeping quiet about it.

More about Daniel Yuen:

Two Decades without Daniel

It’s been two decades since Lisa and Wayne Yuen received a call that would change their lives.Their...

www.missingkids.org

https://lamag.com/news/daniel-yuen-cedu-missing-person-san-bernardino

California School For 'Troubled Teens' Had Roots In A Notorious, Militant Cult | Oxygen

Lisa and Wayne Yuen felt they were running out of options for helping their 16-year-old son, Daniel, who was both socially withdrawn and acting out at school. The Edison, New Jersey couple took him to a number of psychiatrists and eventually decided to send him to a specialized school in San...

www.oxygen.com

His Websleuths thread:

CA - CA - Daniel Yuen, 16, Running Springs, 8 Feb 2004

Daniel Ted Yuen Endangered Runaway Missing From: Running Springs, California Missing Since: February 8, 2004 Age: 16 -- Height: 5'6" -- Weight: 125 lbs -- Hair Color: Black -- Eye Color: Brown Daniel's nicknames are Dan and Danny. He may wear contact lenses or eyeglasses. Daniel was...

www.websleuths.com

Edited to fix some formatting, add another link, and add a detail about CEDU and Synanon.

 

[snarast]

Oh, one other thing about the Staten Island Doe: When I first saw him on NamUS, I looked at the rule-outs, and found Daniel Yuen was not a match for him. So I checked, and Daniel has never been ruled out as the Gilgo Beach Asian Doe (at least, not publicly).

Daniel Yuen was from Edison, New Jersey, but his parents had sent him to a CEDU school in San Bernardino County, California. He ran away from the school (allegedly) and has never been seen since. There are some signs that there may have been foul play at the school, and it was in the middle of nowhere, so if he tried to leave on foot he could still be in the wilderness around there. San Bernardino had a lot of flash floods right around the time he went missing, so he may have been caught in one, or he may simply have gotten lost.

If he did manage to get to town, though, odds are he would have headed back to the NYC area (which Edison is near), and he may not have tried to make contact with his parents. The possibility is strong enough that they checked to see if the murder victim in Staten Island was him, and ruled him out.

Additionally, while his parents said they sent him to CEDU due to depression and behavioral issues, and the San Bernardino CEDU was not linked to conversion therapy specifically, several CEDU schools were linked to CT. CEDU was also closely linked to the Synanon cult, which was very anti-LGBTQ. If that was why his parents sent Daniel to a CEDU school, that would greatly up the chances that he would not want to re-establish contact with his family. He was at the school only two weeks before he disappeared.

Personally, I don't think his photos look super similar to the forensic sketch of Asian Doe, though they're probably about as close as Valerie Mack and Karen Vergata were to their forensic sketches (no shade on the artist, it's such a difficult task and I really think Does should all have at least 2 or 3 sketches by different artists for that reason, really). He is the same height (5'6") and with his connections to the NYC area I think he should at least be ruled out. Daniel is still listed as missing and one of the stories below was from just a couple months ago, so I don't think he's been matched and they're just keeping quiet about it.

More about Daniel Yuen:

Two Decades without Daniel

It’s been two decades since Lisa and Wayne Yuen received a call that would change their lives.Their...

www.missingkids.org

https://lamag.com/news/daniel-yuen-cedu-missing-person-san-bernardino

California School For 'Troubled Teens' Had Roots In A Notorious, Militant Cult | Oxygen

Lisa and Wayne Yuen felt they were running out of options for helping their 16-year-old son, Daniel, who was both socially withdrawn and acting out at school. The Edison, New Jersey couple took him to a number of psychiatrists and eventually decided to send him to a specialized school in San...

www.oxygen.com

His Websleuths thread:

CA - CA - Daniel Yuen, 16, Running Springs, 8 Feb 2004

Daniel Ted Yuen Endangered Runaway Missing From: Running Springs, California Missing Since: February 8, 2004 Age: 16 -- Height: 5'6" -- Weight: 125 lbs -- Hair Color: Black -- Eye Color: Brown Daniel's nicknames are Dan and Danny. He may wear contact lenses or eyeglasses. Daniel was...

www.websleuths.com

Edited to fix some formatting, add another link, and add a detail about CEDU and Synanon.

Thank you for the research. I hope Asian Doe’s identity is soon to be revealed. He/she - aside from having met a horrible end to a young life - is a crucial link between Gilgo and the other possible male victims.

 

[DS2021]

Neither one of those does are in NamUs

 

[james.coff]

They did investigate LISK, albeit poorly. The FBI was excluded from multiple task forces, not just LISK. Burke didn't want them nosing around in his backyard while he was under investigation. By that logic, we must presume that Burke was also an active member of MS-13.

There is a big difference between ineptitude/general corruption and an actual cover-up.

To be honest, I don't find Alice Poe's story very credible. Three of the biggest names in this case, and she just so happens to be the only person who can prove that they all knew each other? In addition, they were all smoking crack together? I'm not buying it, especially considering which corner this affidavit came from. "Burke, Bittrolff and Heuermann walk into a motel" sounds like the start of a tasteless joke.

There is also no evidence to indicate that Shannan Gilbert was murdered, unless I've missed a recent announcement?

There is no reference to John Bittrolff in the affadavit and no mention of Burke or Heuermann smoking crack, it doesn't even have them in the same room together. Are you getting Alice Poe confused with someone else?

 

[Betty P]

There is no reference to John Bittrolff in the affadavit and no mention of Burke or Heuermann smoking crack, it doesn't even have them in the same room together. Are you getting Alice Poe confused with someone else?

Agree. She only mentions a man resembling Heuermann who tried to persuade her to have sex with him. She was afraid of him, though and made excuses to get away. The only thing she was smoking was a regular cigarette (she made that excuse to go outside the motel to get away from the man she thought looked like Heuermann).

Police chief partied with Gilgo 'serial killer at crack-fueled motel bash'

DISGRACED ex-Long Island police chief James Burke once partied with alleged Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann decades ago at a drug-fuelled motel gathering, a woman has claimed in a new sworn affida…

www.the-sun.com

IIRC, she also didn't name who the LE person or people were at the party. She gave general descriptions, but apparently didn't know their name.

 

[Mrs.A]

Unraveled has a new LISK episode out today. Includes inferences by Alina Burroughs regarding the planning document. No information I have not heard yet though.

 

[sds71]

Investigators have linked one of two phone numbers contained in an alleged planning document by Gilgo Beach serial killings suspect Rex A. Heuermann.

The law enforcement source says investigators have since confirmed one of the numbers, 917-294-4402, belonged to Danielle Goodling, a former Bronx sex worker. She died in 2021 at age 42, of an apparent drug overdose and liver failure, her family told Newsday…

Records obtained by Newsday from Manhattan Criminal Court show Goodling was arrested in the borough, where Heuermann ran an architectural consulting business, 10 times between 1998 and 2004...

In the alleged planning document, the phone numbers are associated with someone identified only as "Megan?," who is also labeled as Target 1, according to prosecutors…

On one occasion, Fitt said, Goodling’s father, who has since died, was called to New York to identify a body in a morgue. It was not their daughter, but rather someone who had her identification, Fitt said.

Fitt called the allegations raised in the prosecution’s June bail application, which includes the alleged planning document, "a disturbing read." She said she was the only member of the family who spoke with Goodling.

"She knew I loved her and she could call," Fitt said, adding that her daughter had left sex work before her death and was helping other people caught up in similar situations.

Gilgo killings: Investigators link phone number in document tied to Heuermann to sex worker, source says

Authorities had asked the public for help in identifying the number of a woman they believe suspect Rex Heuermann may have targeted.

www.newsday.com

 

[DS2021]

Investigators have linked one of two phone numbers contained in an alleged planning document by Gilgo Beach serial killings suspect Rex A. Heuermann.

The law enforcement source says investigators have since confirmed one of the numbers, 917-294-4402, belonged to Danielle Goodling, a former Bronx sex worker. She died in 2021 at age 42, of an apparent drug overdose and liver failure, her family told Newsday…

Records obtained by Newsday from Manhattan Criminal Court show Goodling was arrested in the borough, where Heuermann ran an architectural consulting business, 10 times between 1998 and 2004...

In the alleged planning document, the phone numbers are associated with someone identified only as "Megan?," who is also labeled as Target 1, according to prosecutors…

On one occasion, Fitt said, Goodling’s father, who has since died, was called to New York to identify a body in a morgue. It was not their daughter, but rather someone who had her identification, Fitt said.

Fitt called the allegations raised in the prosecution’s June bail application, which includes the alleged planning document, "a disturbing read." She said she was the only member of the family who spoke with Goodling.

"She knew I loved her and she could call," Fitt said, adding that her daughter had left sex work before her death and was helping other people caught up in similar situations.

Gilgo killings: Investigators link phone number in document tied to Heuermann to sex worker, source says

Authorities had asked the public for help in identifying the number of a woman they believe suspect Rex Heuermann may have targeted.

www.newsday.com

Obituary for Danielle Faith Goodling at A. Azzara Funeral Home

We mourn the passing of Danielle Faith Goodling of the Bronx, New York. Born February 23, 1979, she was preceded in death by her father and first daughter, and survived by her mother, stepfather, sister, brother, three sons and her second daughter. Danielle was brilliant, feisty, independent...

www.aazzarafuneralhome.com

 

[DS2021]

Investigators have linked one of two phone numbers contained in an alleged planning document by Gilgo Beach serial killings suspect Rex A. Heuermann.

The law enforcement source says investigators have since confirmed one of the numbers, 917-294-4402, belonged to Danielle Goodling, a former Bronx sex worker. She died in 2021 at age 42, of an apparent drug overdose and liver failure, her family told Newsday…

Records obtained by Newsday from Manhattan Criminal Court show Goodling was arrested in the borough, where Heuermann ran an architectural consulting business, 10 times between 1998 and 2004...

In the alleged planning document, the phone numbers are associated with someone identified only as "Megan?," who is also labeled as Target 1, according to prosecutors…

On one occasion, Fitt said, Goodling’s father, who has since died, was called to New York to identify a body in a morgue. It was not their daughter, but rather someone who had her identification, Fitt said.

Fitt called the allegations raised in the prosecution’s June bail application, which includes the alleged planning document, "a disturbing read." She said she was the only member of the family who spoke with Goodling.

"She knew I loved her and she could call," Fitt said, adding that her daughter had left sex work before her death and was helping other people caught up in similar situations.

Gilgo killings: Investigators link phone number in document tied to Heuermann to sex worker, source says

Authorities had asked the public for help in identifying the number of a woman they believe suspect Rex Heuermann may have targeted.

www.newsday.com

Im surprised its taken this long to confirm this. Ive seen her name floating around since June

 

[DS2021]

 

[wcasewatch]

There is no reference to John Bittrolff in the affadavit and no mention of Burke or Heuermann smoking crack, it doesn't even have them in the same room together. Are you getting Alice Poe confused with someone else?

Poe's affidavit mentions that Burke and Heuermann were at the party. It says that Burke attempted to give her crack cocaine, and that he was offering people hits from a crack pipe. <modsnip - no link> Bittrolff and Macedonio were not mentioned in the affidavit. Either because she added that part later when talking with others or because Ray realized it sounded too ridiculous, even for his standards.

Not that any of this matters. The affidavit is far too detailed for someone who is supposedly remembering an event from 30 years ago. She said that Heuermann was leaning against a wall at a 45-degree angle... That's a very flexible man.

 

[FromGermany1]

I come to the conclusion, that RH must be a genius. How did he find time to work as an employed or self-employed architect besides his mannny "hobby interests"?? It seems, he would have needed at least 2 lives for all his stuff and duties.

 

[snarast]

I come to the conclusion, that RH must be a genius. How did he find time to work as an employed or self-employed architect besides his mannny "hobby interests"?? It seems, he would have needed at least 2 lives for all his stuff and duties.

Yeah. Or perhaps he memorized 1000+ codes to impress people - and is good at weeding out sociopaths when he was hiring. So that they would actually do their jobs instead of spending their time playing manipulative games. You know, like having Ivy league females cleaing toilets.

But yes, he seems to be rather unique in this sense among serial killers.

 

[james.coff]

<modsnip - discussing moderation>

Example: Ray once went live on air and claimed that Shannan may have had a neat hole drilled into her hyoid. He stated that the SC medical examiner didn't know what had caused the hole. This was false, as the medical examiner theorized that it had been caused by a relatively common cyst that often goes unnoticed. Michael Baden (who Ray hired), did not dispute this. In fact, Baden didn't even mention the small hole.

Two medical professionals saw nothing suspect about this hole, yet Ray ran with the theory that someone, for reasons unknown, had gone through the effort of drilling a hole into her hyoid.

Bizarre and irresponsible conspiracy peddling.

The SC autopsy report said "The body of the hyoid contains a small, circular lesion, which may be the result of a thyroglossal cyst or other pathology." The photo in that report looks like it is a hole, but that could have been the way the copy came out. I can't find any video of John Ray saying "Shannan may have had a neat hole drilled into her hyoid". DO you know what live video it was?