Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Betty P]

Thanks, I didn't know the REX connection that tied to BTK.

Do you remember when RH was arrested, Rader all dressed up, proud as a peacock being interviewed? He called RH his "clone".

Serial killer Dennis Rader calls Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann 'a clone of me'

BTK serial killer Dennis Rader claims he predicted Gilgo Beach suspect would be "a clone" of himself and says the two fathers of two have many similarities.

www.foxnews.com

Didn't surprise me that Rader did that, he has such a huge ego. Local LE eventually figured that out and used it against Rader. They had a plan where they gave interviews in local news media stating that they were looking at other suspects for the murders, that they didn't think BTK really committed them. They knew it would upset him and make him start giving them more information, taking more credit. It worked.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Didn't surprise me that Rader did that, he has such a huge ego. Local LE eventually figured that out and used it against Rader. They had a plan where they gave interviews in local news media stating that they were looking at other suspects for the murders, that they didn't think BTK really committed them. They knew it would upset him and make him start giving them more information, taking more credit. It worked.

Indeed. Rader wanted credit for his work.

Just this morning it was tumbling around in my head, wondering if Rex would talk if some of his work was given to someone else. At that time this morning, I wasn't even thinking about Rader. However, if RH did follow killers and then use their methods as a way for someone else to take the blame, then he might puff up more internally and stay quiet as his method had succeeded. To me, RH seems to be such a game player. I wonder if I'm reading him right.

 

[Megnut]

Indeed. Rader wanted credit for his work.

Just this morning it was tumbling around in my head, wondering if Rex would talk if some of his work was given to someone else. At that time this morning, I wasn't even thinking about Rader. However, if RH did follow killers and then use their methods as a way for someone else to take the blame, then he might puff up more internally and stay quiet as his method had succeeded. To me, RH seems to be such a game player. I wonder if I'm reading him right.

I think ultimately he wants credit.

I think intermediately he takes great pride in his misleading countermeasures, by which I mean disparate and copycat murders, all things that he engineered in order to continue murdering.

JMO

 

[minazoe]

Dennis Rader is probably the most disturbing of all of them. he is sickening and the photo catalogue he left behind is the sickest most disgusting thing I can never un-see. What Dennis did was unspeakable. I have read all the big ones too..all of them..Israel Keyes is another and Bundy...with an honorable mention to Susan Powell's husband. The thing that sets these apart for me is the element of torture and extreme sadomasochism..

we are going to find out Rex has murdered many many more. sex workers, people on the fringes, random people who simply disappeared. I really hope he is in trouble in SC. It's my hope he will suffer the anxiety of a death penalty trial.

fingers crossed! mOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

I think ultimately he wants credit.

I think intermediately he takes great pride in his misleading countermeasures, by which I mean disparate and copycat murders, all things that he engineered in order to continue murdering.

JMO

I suspect time will prove you right. Once he's gotten away with fooling LE, once he believes the investigation is over and he's received a few lifetime sentences but not for ALL his murders, then pride will demand that he lets everyone know how smart he is and how successful his maneuverings were.

Yes, hide back and watch until he knows which ones he fooled investigators on. Then, serving a lifetime and with nothing to lose, it'll be time for him to take credit. I can see that.

For the moment, though, I suspect he may be enjoying thinking about all the work he's causing, all the scurrying, all the publicity and notoriety -- everything focused on HIM. I can imagine RH enjoying that.

 

[Passeridae]

NY Post: “Colleen and Sandra both had their shirts pulled up over their faces, and the DA’s [office] has also claimed that there were wood chips on all three bodies … any logical person [would believe] one person was responsible for all three murders.” LI killer John Bittrolff urges DA to take another look at his case after Rex Heuermann charged in ‘eerily similar’ killing

Another source: "Though Bittrolff’s DNA was not found on Costilla, all three victims were displayed in the same sexual manner and missing a single shoe, prosecutors said, and wood shavings were found at all three scenes. Both Tangredi and McNamee were known to engage in sex work, while Costilla 'led a similar lifestyle,' Spota said." https://drgnews.com/2024/06/08/long...after-architect-is-charged-in-3-of-11-deaths/

I'm pretty sure the wood shavings are part of the reason they were so convinced this murder was also Bittrolff.

And have been looking into the "HK" for Heuermann's doc title. While agreed this could be Hunt/Kill, Hit/Kill, and so on, just noting I see a few sources saying "HK" is hotel/hospitality lingo for "housekeeping," like the housekeeping department in the hotel/facility that does clean up and maintenance.

That's what I mean, though. There were some anonymous quotes in questionable papers (sorry, the NY Post is basically a tabloid - they often have the basics of a story down but tend to be less careful with details and more focused on sensationalism), but in the very thorough description of Sandra's crime scene in the new bail application there is zero mention of wood particles.

And a lot of the same newspapers ranged from "wood shavings" found with the bodies to saying they were covered in wood chips, but when Bittrolff went to trial it was revealed that microscopic wood particles were with Colleen and Rita, not shavings or chips.

I am skeptical that any wood particles were found with Sandra until the current DA confirms it at this point.

ETA: I also found it interesting that news stories until now have repeatedly and consistently said that Rita and Colleen were found nude with their clothing nearby, but suddenly now they were partially clothed with shirts over their faces? There has been some seriously sloppy reporting here, and I don't know if it is now or if the sloppiness was before Tierney got the job, but it's really muddied the waters.

 

[snooptroop88]

That's what I mean, though. There were some anonymous quotes in questionable papers (sorry, the NY Post is basically a tabloid - they often have the basics of a story down but tend to be less careful with details and more focused on sensationalism), but in the very thorough description of Sandra's crime scene in the new bail application there is zero mention of wood particles.

And a lot of the same newspapers ranged from "wood shavings" found with the bodies to saying they were covered in wood chips, but when Bittrolff went to trial it was revealed that microscopic wood particles were with Colleen and Rita, not shavings or chips.

I am skeptical that any wood particles were found with Sandra until the current DA confirms it at this point.

ETA: I also found it interesting that news stories until now have repeatedly and consistently said that Rita and Colleen were found nude with their clothing nearby, but suddenly now they were partially clothed with shirts over their faces? There has been some seriously sloppy reporting here, and I don't know if it is now or if the sloppiness was before Tierney got the job, but it's really muddied the waters.

I don't remember which source (a YouTuber) where I heard this same thing about microscopic, they weren't visible to the naked eye, or were hardly visible, and it was like the victims were bathed in them. And 100% agreed, one story they're shavings, then they're chips, then they're particles, etc. I agree on the particles based on everything I saw some time ago when I looked through multiple sources. The best sources I could find were saying particles.

Totally understood on the skepticism. There's not a lot about Sandra out there generally, and it's frustrating. And agreed on the sloppy reporting, too. Have found it incredibly difficult to find anything substantive about the Bittrolff trial generally. But if the particles were present on Sandra-- and 'm relying on the sources provided, and agreed, caution is a good thing-- if they were present on Sandra, that's a very big deal in terms of what the evidence might be suggesting, MOO.

 

[snooptroop88]

That's what I mean, though. There were some anonymous quotes in questionable papers (sorry, the NY Post is basically a tabloid - they often have the basics of a story down but tend to be less careful with details and more focused on sensationalism), but in the very thorough description of Sandra's crime scene in the new bail application there is zero mention of wood particles.

And a lot of the same newspapers ranged from "wood shavings" found with the bodies to saying they were covered in wood chips, but when Bittrolff went to trial it was revealed that microscopic wood particles were with Colleen and Rita, not shavings or chips.

I am skeptical that any wood particles were found with Sandra until the current DA confirms it at this point.

ETA: I also found it interesting that news stories until now have repeatedly and consistently said that Rita and Colleen were found nude with their clothing nearby, but suddenly now they were partially clothed with shirts over their faces? There has been some seriously sloppy reporting here, and I don't know if it is now or if the sloppiness was before Tierney got the job, but it's really muddied the waters.

Oh, just found it in an AP story as well. One second, pasting: Though Bittrolff’s DNA was not found on Costilla, all three victims were displayed in the same sexual manner and missing a single shoe, prosecutors said, and wood shavings were found at all three scenes. Both Tangredi and McNamee were known to engage in sex work, while Costilla “led a similar lifestyle,” Spota said.

New charges for alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer cast scrutiny on another man's murder conviction

New charges brought against the man accused of a string of killings on New York's Long Island are raising questions about another man’s murder conviction.

apnews.com

Associated Press is a very good source. I know it's got the "shavings," but they're clearly using the terms (chips/particles/shavings) interchangeably, which is probably technically okay. But I doubt AP would get the info wrong about all three victims having this general commonality with the wood because that's not what anyone would consider a detail in this context.

 

[Betty P]

That's what I mean, though. There were some anonymous quotes in questionable papers (sorry, the NY Post is basically a tabloid - they often have the basics of a story down but tend to be less careful with details and more focused on sensationalism), but in the very thorough description of Sandra's crime scene in the new bail application there is zero mention of wood particles.

And a lot of the same newspapers ranged from "wood shavings" found with the bodies to saying they were covered in wood chips, but when Bittrolff went to trial it was revealed that microscopic wood particles were with Colleen and Rita, not shavings or chips.

I am skeptical that any wood particles were found with Sandra until the current DA confirms it at this point.

ETA: I also found it interesting that news stories until now have repeatedly and consistently said that Rita and Colleen were found nude with their clothing nearby, but suddenly now they were partially clothed with shirts over their faces? There has been some seriously sloppy reporting here, and I don't know if it is now or if the sloppiness was before Tierney got the job, but it's really muddied the waters.

Thanks for pointing this out. I had the same question a while back when I could swear there was nothing placed on the faces of these women. Suddenly its reported there were. Was this just information LE had withheld from the public, but changed their mind? IDK. I need to start a spreadsheet / database to keep track of them.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Oh, just found it in an AP story as well. One second, pasting: Though Bittrolff’s DNA was not found on Costilla, all three victims were displayed in the same sexual manner and missing a single shoe, prosecutors said, and wood shavings were found at all three scenes. Both Tangredi and McNamee were known to engage in sex work, while Costilla “led a similar lifestyle,” Spota said.

New charges for alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer cast scrutiny on another man's murder conviction

New charges brought against the man accused of a string of killings on New York's Long Island are raising questions about another man’s murder conviction.

apnews.com

Associated Press is a very good source. I know it's got the "shavings," but they're clearly using the terms (chips/particles/shavings) interchangeably, which is probably technically okay. But I doubt AP would get the info wrong about all three victims having this general commonality with the wood because that's not what anyone would consider a detail in this context.

The thing with The Associated Press is that often the stories are picked up, and sometimes edited or shortened, from the newspapers that belong to the AP, then sent on to subscribing newspapers.

In the rural area where I live, there were some stories AP sent their own reporters into the local newspaper office and they covered events, wrote stories and filed them from the local newspaper office. However, generally, the AP stories from our local area were actually written by local reporters and just picked up by AP. It's been years since I've worked at the local newspaper, so I wonder if now, with the Internet and remote writing so easy, if the AP reporters actually go into the local papers. In the past, AP executives and reporters did maintain contact with the local newspapers. I would expect they still do to some extent.

But having the AP story originating at a local newspaper would explain the matching wording.

 

[dotr]

June 8 '24 rbbm

New charges for alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer cast scrutiny on another man's murder conviction

www.ctvnews.ca

''As with the Gilgo Beach investigation, the case against Bittrolff was dogged by allegations of mistakes and misconduct by police and prosecutors. During the trial, the Suffolk County police admitted to accidentally destroying the wood chips found on one of the women’s bodies and, separately, wood chips discovered in a car used by a police sergeant who was a potential suspect.''

 

[snooptroop88]

Am still pursuing the theory that RH may have used abandoned structures in the commission of his crimes. I know this sounds far-fetched. But who thinks RH only started murdering people in 1993 at the age of 30? I don't, and I know a lot of other people don't. Did RH only start murdering people once he became a homeowner? There's no way I believe that. That means he was already committing murders (theoretically) "elsewhere," not in his home because he didn't always own that home. And his mother had been in that home pretty much up until he purchased it. If he got into the habit of using other locations earlier on (and I'm sure he did), he may have continued to use those locations in some capacity in terms of the Gilgo victims. So here are some locations I'm kind of looking into right now:
-Old Fish Cove Inn by Sandra Costilla, which cabins and had a compost heap; they filmed a movie here (slasher movie called "Madman" in 1982) with shoestring budget and had a casting call on "Backstage." RH was active in the drama club doing props and such, maybe he participated
-Pilgrim's State in Brentwood 7 mins from where they found Tina Foglia and 13 mins from Babylon/Amber, and like 13 mins from Hauppauge/Meghan Waterman
-Creedmoor in Queens, close to Flushing (Asian Doe?) and 13 min drive to Hempstead Lake State Park/Peaches & baby
-King's Park Psychiatric in Smithtown, which is incredibly close to where Nikkie Brass went to meet RH. He met her at the Steamroom Restaurant out in Rocky Point, which itself is filled with ruins of structures. Just as a note, to get from the Steamroom to Smithtown, you'd take 25A, which I've seen described as eerie, pretty desolate, and dark.

Have never been personally to any of these structures, and it's difficult to assess what the specific conditions would have been like in various timeframes, especially in terms of access. But they've all been abandoned for quite some time, and are all fairly large. And these abandoned structures come with their own interesting factors, like smells. I've always been curious about that note in HK about "M/O" and the plastic bag and cat litter. Was it to hide a distinctive smell? Because (example) Creedmoor is filled with pigeon droppings, mounds of them, and they have a pretty distinct odor. Also, his note about push pins instead of tape, yet he has another note about bringing bags and tape, and we know he ended up getting caught by tape, in part. So was that note about the push pins really in reference to the tape with hairs? Or might it have been something else? If he were using an abandoned structure, the tape might not adhere to thick dust. Agreed this theory is definitely out there in terms of what I've seen about RH (so far), but he had to have been killing somewhere early on, he didn't have a house and he wouldn't have the same privacy in an apartment. With some of these structures, he might arguably have had more privacy there than in his own home.

 

[dotr]

Am still pursuing the theory that RH may have used abandoned structures in the commission of his crimes. I know this sounds far-fetched. But who thinks RH only started murdering people in 1993 at the age of 30? I don't, and I know a lot of other people don't. Did RH only start murdering people once he became a homeowner? There's no way I believe that. That means he was already committing murders (theoretically) "elsewhere," not in his home because he didn't always own that home. And his mother had been in that home pretty much up until he purchased it. If he got into the habit of using other locations earlier on (and I'm sure he did), he may have continued to use those locations in some capacity in terms of the Gilgo victims. So here are some locations I'm kind of looking into right now:
-Old Fish Cove Inn by Sandra Costilla, which cabins and had a compost heap; they filmed a movie here (slasher movie called "Madman" in 1982) with shoestring budget and had a casting call on "Backstage." RH was active in the drama club doing props and such, maybe he participated
-Pilgrim's State in Brentwood 7 mins from where they found Tina Foglia and 13 mins from Babylon/Amber, and like 13 mins from Hauppauge/Meghan Waterman
-Creedmoor in Queens, close to Flushing (Asian Doe?) and 13 min drive to Hempstead Lake State Park/Peaches & baby
-King's Park Psychiatric in Smithtown, which is incredibly close to where Nikkie Brass went to meet RH. He met her at the Steamroom Restaurant out in Rocky Point, which itself is filled with ruins of structures. Just as a note, to get from the Steamroom to Smithtown, you'd take 25A, which I've seen described as eerie, pretty desolate, and dark.

Have never been personally to any of these structures, and it's difficult to assess what the specific conditions would have been like in various timeframes, especially in terms of access. But they've all been abandoned for quite some time, and are all fairly large. And these abandoned structures come with their own interesting factors, like smells. I've always been curious about that note in HK about "M/O" and the plastic bag and cat litter. Was it to hide a distinctive smell? Because (example) Creedmoor is filled with pigeon droppings, mounds of them, and they have a pretty distinct odor. Also, his note about push pins instead of tape, yet he has another note about bringing bags and tape, and we know he ended up getting caught by tape, in part. So was that note about the push pins really in reference to the tape with hairs? Or might it have been something else? If he were using an abandoned structure, the tape might not adhere to thick dust. Agreed this theory is definitely out there in terms of what I've seen about RH (so far), but he had to have been killing somewhere early on, he didn't have a house and he wouldn't have the same privacy in an apartment. With some of these structures, he might arguably have had more privacy there than in his own home.

It would not surprise me if RH used any one of the places you suggested, maybe even include old garages with bathrooms.
Considering how he nearly hurt the girl working backstage at a school production, could his ultimate fantasy be to do what he allegedly does, in a theater setting?
Are there many abandoned theaters around RH's stomping grounds? speculation, imo.

 

[Megnut]

Am still pursuing the theory that RH may have used abandoned structures in the commission of his crimes. I know this sounds far-fetched. But who thinks RH only started murdering people in 1993 at the age of 30? I don't, and I know a lot of other people don't. Did RH only start murdering people once he became a homeowner? There's no way I believe that. That means he was already committing murders (theoretically) "elsewhere," not in his home because he didn't always own that home. And his mother had been in that home pretty much up until he purchased it. If he got into the habit of using other locations earlier on (and I'm sure he did), he may have continued to use those locations in some capacity in terms of the Gilgo victims. So here are some locations I'm kind of looking into right now:
-Old Fish Cove Inn by Sandra Costilla, which cabins and had a compost heap; they filmed a movie here (slasher movie called "Madman" in 1982) with shoestring budget and had a casting call on "Backstage." RH was active in the drama club doing props and such, maybe he participated
-Pilgrim's State in Brentwood 7 mins from where they found Tina Foglia and 13 mins from Babylon/Amber, and like 13 mins from Hauppauge/Meghan Waterman
-Creedmoor in Queens, close to Flushing (Asian Doe?) and 13 min drive to Hempstead Lake State Park/Peaches & baby
-King's Park Psychiatric in Smithtown, which is incredibly close to where Nikkie Brass went to meet RH. He met her at the Steamroom Restaurant out in Rocky Point, which itself is filled with ruins of structures. Just as a note, to get from the Steamroom to Smithtown, you'd take 25A, which I've seen described as eerie, pretty desolate, and dark.

Have never been personally to any of these structures, and it's difficult to assess what the specific conditions would have been like in various timeframes, especially in terms of access. But they've all been abandoned for quite some time, and are all fairly large. And these abandoned structures come with their own interesting factors, like smells. I've always been curious about that note in HK about "M/O" and the plastic bag and cat litter. Was it to hide a distinctive smell? Because (example) Creedmoor is filled with pigeon droppings, mounds of them, and they have a pretty distinct odor. Also, his note about push pins instead of tape, yet he has another note about bringing bags and tape, and we know he ended up getting caught by tape, in part. So was that note about the push pins really in reference to the tape with hairs? Or might it have been something else? If he were using an abandoned structure, the tape might not adhere to thick dust. Agreed this theory is definitely out there in terms of what I've seen about RH (so far), but he had to have been killing somewhere early on, he didn't have a house and he wouldn't have the same privacy in an apartment. With some of these structures, he might arguably have had more privacy there than in his own home.

And allow him to continue to collect, hold, torture and kill victims at these satellite location even while his family wasn't traveling. All under a pretense of long work days. Whether or not he availed himself of them for his demented purposes, I agree, it shouldn't be overlooked that he certainly had knowledge of and access to a variety of abandoned buildings, especially in his early days when, as you say, he needed more privacy than his own home would offer.

Jmo

 

[Ruminations]

This is lower on the priority list compared to identifying victims and their killer(s). IMO.

The truth is always important.

ATM, I am inclined to think the DA had exaggerated the similarity of Sandra's case to the crimes for which Bittrolff was convicted to increase pressure on Bittrolff and *maybe* to give some cover to whomever could benefit from failing to identify Rex Heuermann.

But it is also possible Bittrolff was set up for more than just Sandra. I trust his lawyers to do their part to make his case.

While the truth matters, even difficult truth, I can't imagine being surviving family for Rita or Colleen, and hearing that it is possible that the wrong man is incarcerated for their loved one's murder, if that is the way they interpret our conversation, or that the murderer of their loved one might get off, if that is the way they interpret our conversation.

Peace to the families of Colleen and Rita.

MOO

 

[DS2021]

In regards to the abandoned house theory, there are some unsolved homicide victims and jane does who were found in abandoned houses

 

[DS2021]

Shes been identified. Her name is out there.

Doe Network: International Center For Missing and Unidentified Persons

Doe Network is an all-volunteer organization dedicated to bringing awareness to missing persons and unidentified persons throughout the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Europe, and Australia.

doenetwork.org

The victim was located dismembered and wrapped in newspaper and duct tape in basement of 546 Lexington Avenue, which had been boarded up for about one month.
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None of the jane does found in abandoned buildings mention their causes of death. Im unsure if they were murdered, or if they were homeless people trying to keep warm.
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NY Thread 'NY - Erica McDaniel, 30, Brooklyn, 9 May 2012'

Jan 14, 2015

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/01...n-burned-house-in-bedford-stuyvesant-in-2013/

Police on Tuesday identified a woman whose body was found in a burnt suitcase nearly two years ago in a Brooklyn home that had been on fire.

Police ruled that the death of Erica McDaniel, 30, was a homicide and were asking for assistance Tuesday in finding out information about the incident...

A fire had broken out at the home on Wednesday...

• OkieGranny
• Replies: 6
• Forum: Cold Cases

Erica Mcdaniel comes to mind as well. I personally dont think their deaths are linked to RH

 

[snooptroop88]

It would not surprise me if RH used any one of the places you suggested, maybe even include old garages with bathrooms.
Considering how he nearly hurt the girl working backstage at a school production, could his ultimate fantasy be to do what he allegedly does, in a theater setting?
Are there many abandoned theaters around RH's stomping grounds? speculation, imo.

Have wondered on this as well. From what I can see, the Flushing RKO Theater might have been accessible back then, it's definitely accessible at various points since the 80s. A lot of these theaters, though, are more vacant than abandoned, they're not in use but someone does have them fairly well secured. From the looks of what's available online, the Flushing RKO is one that might be of interest because it's in a state of complete ruin and has clearly been accessed and vandalized, and over the course of a very long period of time. At one point, part of it was demolished.

In regards to the abandoned house theory, there are some unsolved homicide victims and jane does who were found in abandoned houses

Totally, totally agreed. Would guess RH is tied to many Jane Does and some of the Does are found very near ruins Muttontown and Lattingtown Jane Doe, Freeport Jane Doe. Welwyn Preserve (Lattingtown Jane Doe) has ruins. There's Knollwood Estate, proximity to where they found Muttontown Jane Doe. There's a sanitarium that's abandoned close to Freeport. If he'd use ruins (big "if"), he'd use houses. My guess is he might prefer the ruins because they're usually more expansive and there are no neighbors. If someone stumbled upon him, I'd guess he'd kill that person as well, or if the situation provided maybe start flashing architectural IDs with some story. But I still think he used houses as well, either those he stumbled upon himself or those he already knew about through his work.

You just never know. I don't know if it happened, but it's certainly possible, and if it's remotely possible, I'd worry about RH, who was actually going around compiling "to do" lists for murdering people.

 

[james.coff]

Am still pursuing the theory that RH may have used abandoned structures in the commission of his crimes. I know this sounds far-fetched. But who thinks RH only started murdering people in 1993 at the age of 30? I don't, and I know a lot of other people don't. Did RH only start murdering people once he became a homeowner? There's no way I believe that. That means he was already committing murders (theoretically) "elsewhere," not in his home because he didn't always own that home. And his mother had been in that home pretty much up until he purchased it. If he got into the habit of using other locations earlier on (and I'm sure he did), he may have continued to use those locations in some capacity in terms of the Gilgo victims. So here are some locations I'm kind of looking into right now:
-Old Fish Cove Inn by Sandra Costilla, which cabins and had a compost heap; they filmed a movie here (slasher movie called "Madman" in 1982) with shoestring budget and had a casting call on "Backstage." RH was active in the drama club doing props and such, maybe he participated
-Pilgrim's State in Brentwood 7 mins from where they found Tina Foglia and 13 mins from Babylon/Amber, and like 13 mins from Hauppauge/Meghan Waterman
-Creedmoor in Queens, close to Flushing (Asian Doe?) and 13 min drive to Hempstead Lake State Park/Peaches & baby
-King's Park Psychiatric in Smithtown, which is incredibly close to where Nikkie Brass went to meet RH. He met her at the Steamroom Restaurant out in Rocky Point, which itself is filled with ruins of structures. Just as a note, to get from the Steamroom to Smithtown, you'd take 25A, which I've seen described as eerie, pretty desolate, and dark.

Have never been personally to any of these structures, and it's difficult to assess what the specific conditions would have been like in various timeframes, especially in terms of access. But they've all been abandoned for quite some time, and are all fairly large. And these abandoned structures come with their own interesting factors, like smells. I've always been curious about that note in HK about "M/O" and the plastic bag and cat litter. Was it to hide a distinctive smell? Because (example) Creedmoor is filled with pigeon droppings, mounds of them, and they have a pretty distinct odor. Also, his note about push pins instead of tape, yet he has another note about bringing bags and tape, and we know he ended up getting caught by tape, in part. So was that note about the push pins really in reference to the tape with hairs? Or might it have been something else? If he were using an abandoned structure, the tape might not adhere to thick dust. Agreed this theory is definitely out there in terms of what I've seen about RH (so far), but he had to have been killing somewhere early on, he didn't have a house and he wouldn't have the same privacy in an apartment. With some of these structures, he might arguably have had more privacy there than in his own home.

I am very intrigued by your thoughts and think they are more than possible.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

June 8 '24 rbbm

New charges for alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer cast scrutiny on another man's murder conviction

www.ctvnews.ca

''As with the Gilgo Beach investigation, the case against Bittrolff was dogged by allegations of mistakes and misconduct by police and prosecutors. During the trial, the Suffolk County police admitted to accidentally destroying the wood chips found on one of the women’s bodies and, separately, wood chips discovered in a car used by a police sergeant who was a potential suspect.''

How can such misconduct be allowed? This is outrageous!