Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[iamshadow21]

Ohhh.. I see

You'll notice Maureen's charge is second degree, too.

I think it's probably one of those laws that made sense when they primarily had to rely on witness testimony and people's memories. In a world where cases hinge more on DNA and forensic evidence, less so. I'd like to see it change.

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

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• Gilgo Beach Task Force investigators say the man charged with seven killings exhibited a "persistent interest" in the case before his arrest, visiting a police website at key points in the investigation.
• Accused killer Rex A. Heuermann saved decades-old news articles as "souvenirs or mementos of his crimes," prosecutors alleged in court papers filed this week.
• He is facing a 10-count indictment charging him with first-degree murder in the 2009 and 2010 killings of Megan Waterman, Amber Costello and Melissa Barthelemy, and second-degree murder for all three plus second degree murder charges in the earlier killings of Valerie Mack, Jessica Taylor, Maureen Brainard-Barnes and Sandra Costilla. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

"There are many people who are infatuated with this case, not just in Suffolk County, but across our country, thousands and thousands and thousands of people," Brown said into microphones from local, regional and national media outlets that attended Tuesday’s arraignment. "That's probably underestimating the amount of people that are really attuned to this case over the last 15, 20 years."

Prosecutors found that Heuermann visited Gilgonews.com, a former website police used to share information about the investigation, at about 11:30 p.m. on May 23, 2020. He allegedly visited the website a day after police announced they had identified a Jane Doe in the case who they would soon reveal to be New Jersey mother Valerie Mack. Heuermann, who was indicted in Mack’s killing Tuesday, visited a page on the site specific to her case again that July, prosecutors said.

Tierney said that revelation, which police made before Heuermann’s July 2023 arrest, is consistent with more recent discoveries that the architectural consultant kept copies of newspaper and magazine coverage of his alleged crimes in his bedroom, a basement vault and in his office. The news clips and magazines dated back to 1993

Gilgo Beach killings: Accused serial killer Rex Heuermann kept news articles as 'souvenirs' of his alleged crimes, prosecutors say in court papers

"We think it's circumstantial evidence of his persistent interest in the case, of the victims ... all the methods used by law enforcement to try to catch the murderer," the Suffolk district attorney said.

www.newsday.com

From what the public has been told about the housekeeping at the Heuermann home, I personally don't see the discovery of old newspaper stories about murders close by to be very important. Who knows what the house held that the occupants had long forgotten about. However, added to what appears to be very compelling evidence, the articles add a feather's weight - to my way of thinking.

Surely, the interest in these crimes was shared by just about everyone on Long Island. A new story prints, people rush to read the latest. Once inside the Heuermann home, it may never have been seen again.
It would be very interesting to know, though, wouldn't it, which cases RH did have stories on and if there were other, widely publicized and talked about murders they found NO stories about. RH having articles about the case is an interesting tidbit and I'd like to know more, but alone I don't think there's much value in them.

 

[DS2021]

Surely, the interest in these crimes was shared by just about everyone on Long Island

Once the gb4 were found, absolutely! I don't think any of the other cases got a ton of attention until after the gilgo beach dumping ground was discovered, especially Sandra Costillas case

 

[snooptroop88]

You’d think the planning doc would have helped with first degree murder charges for at least Valerie and Jessica.
If he killed anyone else, I guarantee he kept clippings. MOO

I wonder on this. On first thought, yeah, I'd tend to think clippings for all victims as well, and we don't know LE doesn't have more, or what/whom they'd be related to. However, I wouldn't necessarily count on clippings for all victims. LE went into his home and storage units looking with certain victims in mind. Unless LE saved every scrap of paper in his home and all storage units (I hope they did, actually), there may have been other material not yet viewed as relevant. Hmm, November '93. AE wasn't living with him in 1993, and they weren't married until 1996. He bought the family home in '94. But the superseding bail application notes that Witness 3 had been living at TARGET RESIDENCE (the parents' home that RH ultimately purchased) prior to Sandra Costilla's disappearance (and hence, Witness 3's hair was found on Sandra Costilla). That means he set up shop in the parents home before Sandra Costilla's murder and prior to the first relevant clipping found. He'd have at least some privacy and control once in the parents' home. I wouldn't count on there being clippings for all victims in that light. His living conditions prior to this are unknown, I imagine he and his first wife had their own apartment somewhere, at least for a time. He wasn't living in that home every day of his life, I would assume. And for the periods when he wasn't, there may not be clippings.

From what the public has been told about the housekeeping at the Heuermann home, I personally don't see the discovery of old newspaper stories about murders close by to be very important. Who knows what the house held that the occupants had long forgotten about. However, added to what appears to be very compelling evidence, the articles add a feather's weight - to my way of thinking.

Surely, the interest in these crimes was shared by just about everyone on Long Island. A new story prints, people rush to read the latest. Once inside the Heuermann home, it may never have been seen again.
It would be very interesting to know, though, wouldn't it, which cases RH did have stories on and if there were other, widely publicized and talked about murders they found NO stories about. RH having articles about the case is an interesting tidbit and I'd like to know more, but alone I don't think there's much value in them.

Agreed on all, and a note on the interest in the crimes in the area. I re-watched Killing Season yesterday and really was stunned when Josh & Rachel got a tip from someone in prison about a pen pal the inmate had that had claimed knowledge about the Gilgo murders. That person was located in-- Massapequa. (??)

How weird is that? I'm looking it up, Massapequa isn't technically Massapequa Park, but locals consider them one in the same. Massapequa Park is a smaller village within Massapequa. Massapequa is west of Massapequa Park, I guess. Population of Massapequa is about 21 thousand, Massapequa Park about 17 thousand. Mmm. The population of the NYC metropolitan area is like 20 million. Isn't it pretty strange that the tip received all those years ago happened to come from Massapequa, an area with a tiny fraction of interested New Yorkers, and it's the very same tiny area where the SK eventually was found to be from?? I'm not saying there's anything to it, but... THAT is mighty strange to me. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not from NY. (I've been there, but not a native.)

 

[Mr.Dandy]

I wonder on this. On first thought, yeah, I'd tend to think clippings for all victims as well, and we don't know LE doesn't have more, or what/whom they'd be related to. However, I wouldn't necessarily count on clippings for all victims. LE went into his home and storage units looking with certain victims in mind. Unless LE saved every scrap of paper in his home and all storage units (I hope they did, actually), there may have been other material not yet viewed as relevant. Hmm, November '93. AE wasn't living with him in 1993, and they weren't married until 1996. He bought the family home in '94. But the superseding bail application notes that Witness 3 had been living at TARGET RESIDENCE (the parents' home that RH ultimately purchased) prior to Sandra Costilla's disappearance (and hence, Witness 3's hair was found on Sandra Costilla). That means he set up shop in the parents home before Sandra Costilla's murder and prior to the first relevant clipping found. He'd have at least some privacy and control once in the parents' home. I wouldn't count on there being clippings for all victims in that light. His living conditions prior to this are unknown, I imagine he and his first wife had their own apartment somewhere, at least for a time. He wasn't living in that home every day of his life, I would assume. And for the periods when he wasn't, there may not be clippings.

Agreed on all, and a note on the interest in the crimes in the area. I re-watched Killing Season yesterday and really was stunned when Josh & Rachel got a tip from someone in prison about a pen pal the inmate had that had claimed knowledge about the Gilgo murders. That person was located in-- Massapequa. (??)

How weird is that? I'm looking it up, Massapequa isn't technically Massapequa Park, but locals consider them one and the same. Massapequa Park is a smaller village within Massapequa. Massapequa is west of Massapequa Park, I guess. Population of Massapequa is about 21 thousand, Massapequa Park about 17 thousand. Mmm. The population of the NYC metropolitan area is like 20 million. Isn't it pretty strange that the tip received all those years ago happened to come from Massapequa, an area with a tiny fraction of interested New Yorkers, and it's the very same tiny area where the SK eventually was found to be from?? I'm not saying there's anything to it, but... THAT is mighty strange to me. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not from NY. (I've been there, but not a native.)

Well, Massapequa was all over the early reports because of where Melissa’s last call was. In lost girls, it’s mentioned a bunch as, you know, this horrible murder occurred around a nice community such as Massapequa.
Hair is weird. I was talking to my SO about hair evidence. We were discussing his sister and how it would be possible that our hair would be at her house and since she used to live with us, her hair is probably still in our house. Then her children’s hair is probably in our house from either when they visit or transfer from when we visit her. On top of that, her hair or her children’s hair could be in our car or our hair could be in her husbands car… but that would make sense since we visit each other. But for 7 completely different strangers to have hairs from his household on their dead bodies, that’s no coincidence. Could be transfer from his vehicle too.

 

[snooptroop88]

Well, Massapequa was all over the early reports because of where Melissa’s last call was. In lost girls, it’s mentioned a bunch as, you know, this horrible murder occurred around a nice community such as Massapequa.
Hair is weird. I was talking to my SO about hair evidence. We were discussing his sister and how it would be possible that our hair would be at her house and since she used to live with us, her hair is probably still in our house. Then her children’s hair is probably in our house from either when they visit or transfer from when we visit her. On top of that, her hair or her children’s hair could be in our car or our hair could be in her husbands car… but that would make sense since we visit each other. But for 7 completely different strangers to have hairs from his household on their dead bodies, that’s no coincidence. Could be transfer from his vehicle too.

Agreed, and this was probably more than enough, the idea that the killer pinged from there. But would that necessarily mean he lived there, though? A whole army of people believed Bissett did it, and wasn't he in Mattituck? Looking back I see someone convinced LISK was in Amityville. I'm looking through very early posts on here, and there's a lot of discussion about where these phones pinged, including Freeport and Fire Island. (Did Maureen's phone indeed ping in Fire Island at some point? Trying to confirm.) Massapequa is so close to Gilgo itself that I wouldn't have initially assumed even with the ping that he necessarily lived there. Totally agreed, though, this really is more than enough to inspire such a "tip." I still find it something of an oddity, if nothing else ironic.

As I'm researching this, does anyone know if MBB's phone actually DID ping from Fire Island at some point? That's extremely interesting, and I see multiple posters early on noting it. I see one article that comes close to confirming it, but it doesn't specifically say Fire Island. I really do think he's got some very firm and important connection to Fire Island because I'm sure he murdered Karen. I think he killed everyone found on Ocean Parkway but jmo.

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Agreed, and this was probably more than enough, the idea that the killer pinged from there. But would that necessarily mean he lived there, though? A whole army of people believed Bissett did it, and wasn't he in Mattituck? Looking back I see someone convinced LISK was in Amityville. I'm looking through very early posts on here, and there's a lot of discussion about where these phones pinged, including Freeport and Fire Island. (Did Maureen's phone indeed ping in Fire Island at some point? Trying to confirm.) Massapequa is so close to Gilgo itself that I wouldn't have initially assumed even with the ping that he necessarily lived there. Totally agreed, though, this really is more than enough to inspire such a "tip." I still find it something of an oddity, if nothing else ironic.

As I'm researching this, does anyone know if MBB's phone actually DID ping from Fire Island at some point? That's extremely interesting, and I see multiple posters early on noting it. I see one article that comes close to confirming it, but it doesn't specifically say Fire Island. I really do think he's got some very firm and important connection to Fire Island because I'm sure he murdered Karen. I think he killed everyone found on Ocean Parkway but jmo.

Sorry to constantly reference lost girls, but since I just read it, it’s fresh on my mind. The author, when interviewing Maureen’s sister, said the police told her(her sister) the last ping on her phone, which was a call to voicemail, pinged near a water tower on Fire Island. I don’t know why such a specific detail would have been made up or embellished. I was looking at maps and the water tower is right by a bridge. My opinion is, he made that last call and threw the phone into the water. He probably threw all her other stuff out as well.
I find it frustrating, when looking for info, that many details were left out. I can find an old article or interview or whatnot, but when I read newer stuff, either details are left out or they kind of got twisted with opinion.
Here’s a good example. There was a rumor, my opinion, that Rita Tangredi’s daughter was friends with Melissa. When I read that, I was like wtf? That’s so huge! I searched and searched. As far as I can tell, Rita Tangredi has a son, not a daughter and the origin came from Mary Murphy saying a reader wrote in and told her that detail. That’s not good journalism. She didn’t fact check at all. So I don’t really listen to anything she ever writes about.

 

[snooptroop88]

Sorry to constantly reference lost girls, but since I just read it, it’s fresh on my mind. The author, when interviewing Maureen’s sister, said the police told her(her sister) the last ping on her phone, which was a call to voicemail, pinged near a water tower on Fire Island. I don’t know why such a specific detail would have been made up or embellished. I was looking at maps and the water tower is right by a bridge. My opinion is, he made that last call and threw the phone into the water. He probably threw all her other stuff out as well.
I find it frustrating, when looking for info, that many details were left out. I can find an old article or interview or whatnot, but when I read newer stuff, either details are left out or they kind of got twisted with opinion.
Here’s a good example. There was a rumor, my opinion, that Rita Tangredi’s daughter was friends with Melissa. When I read that, I was like wtf? That’s so huge! I searched and searched. As far as I can tell, Rita Tangredi has a son, not a daughter and the origin came from Mary Murphy saying a reader wrote in and told her that detail. That’s not good journalism. She didn’t fact check at all. So I don’t really listen to anything she ever writes about.

TOTALLY (!) agreed. I just spent hours searching for the Fire Island ping, the only place I could find it was in the past posts on here. MUCH thanks for the confirmation on the Fire Island ping, which to me is a huge deal because that confirms his physical presence on Fire Island, and he imo certainly murdered Karen Vergata, regardless of whether they find what they need in terms of hair/DNA.

And totally agreed on Bittrolff generally, it's like a massive void in terms of any kind of detail.

Also, just noting, the details are scant on both RH's family (it took me weeks/months to confirm the existence of his sisters) and his travel history (Atlantic City confirmed by his own records released as part of his bail application).

I keep Lost Girls handy but haven't re-read it yet, but think I should since I only read it once.

 

[Mr.Dandy]

TOTALLY (!) agreed. I just spent hours searching for the Fire Island ping, the only place I could find it was in the past posts on here. MUCH thanks for the confirmation on the Fire Island ping, which to me is a huge deal because that confirms his physical presence on Fire Island, and he imo certainly murdered Karen Vergata, regardless of whether they find what they need in terms of hair/DNA.

And totally agreed on Bittrolff generally, it's like a massive void in terms of any kind of detail.

Also, just noting, the details are scant on both RH's family (it took me weeks/months to confirm the existence of his sisters) and his travel history (Atlantic City confirmed by his own records released as part of his bail application).

I keep Lost Girls handy but haven't re-read it yet, but think I should since I only read it once.

I really need to deep dive into Bittrolff. I don’t know as much as I should.

 

[sds71]

Mary Murphy

@MaryMurphyMedia


Making His Case: ⁦@RayTierneyDA⁩ promises updates on #GilgoBeach case and efforts against fentanyl crisis during launch of his re-election campaign Tuesday in Riverhead.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1876453740200198369

 

[CuriousCricket]

TOTALLY (!) agreed. I just spent hours searching for the Fire Island ping, the only place I could find it was in the past posts on here. MUCH thanks for the confirmation on the Fire Island ping, which to me is a huge deal because that confirms his physical presence on Fire Island, and he imo certainly murdered Karen Vergata, regardless of whether they find what they need in terms of hair/DNA.

And totally agreed on Bittrolff generally, it's like a massive void in terms of any kind of detail.

Also, just noting, the details are scant on both RH's family (it took me weeks/months to confirm the existence of his sisters) and his travel history (Atlantic City confirmed by his own records released as part of his bail application).

I keep Lost Girls handy but haven't re-read it yet, but think I should since I only read it once.

Checking the voicemail of his victims also follows the pattern in the women RH is charged with killing. Their phones were also used to check voicemail.

 

[dotr]

fwiw.

Fire Island phone service still crippled

www.newsday.com

''Jan 27, 2013 — Fire Island's telephone and Internet service remains crippled, three months after superstorm Sandy flooded underground lines and ...''

 

[sds71]

Attorneys for alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann have asked the judge presiding in his case to exclude expert testimony related to nuclear DNA results obtained from rootless hairs found at six crime scenes, arguing the scientific technique used by a California laboratory working with Suffolk investigators has not been generally accepted as reliable in the scientific community.

The motion filed Tuesday is the first step in establishing a hearing this winter to determine if the DNA profile obtained by Astrea Forensics linking the Massapequa Park architect to the alleged killings will be admissible at trial…

Coysh said the only peer review the defense could identify regarding Astrea’s methods "challenges the validity of Dr. Green’s findings."

Gilgo Beach killings: Attorneys for accused serial killer Rex Heuermann seek to exclude expert nuclear DNA testimony related to hairs found at crime scenes

The motion is the first step in establishing a hearing this winter to determine if the DNA profile linking the Massapequa Park architect to the alleged killings will be admissible at trial.

www.newsday.com

 

[DS2021]

To absolutely no ones surprise

 

[Keekdasneak1314]

You have to start somewhere.

Also - I’ve said this before and I have some (WS-unverified) background in this area so it’s not ChatGPT i’m offering here - they have hopefully matched every single sequence in codis against eachother. Guess what you would get?

A serial killer cloud (several more likely but for simplicity) of sequences related to one another.

No year long genealogy studies, nothing just BLAST all the sequences against each other. The open source software has been available since the 80s - and that’s just for starters.

I don’t know if they are allowed to do this.

It is that simple. Very elementary. Of course you have to refine it and sort out things, but just doing all-gainst-all would very likely lead to some interesting fallout.

I just hope they do this in an automated fashion as a serial killer/rapist preventive measure.

IMHO

Please let me know if you find out any information on the DNA cloud situation. This is something that could be a huge game changer for LEO's and their investigations. Do you think that this could be related to the 23& me DNA company collapse. I just figured if the company is barely in existence, could the govt essentially use the data that is available through them? ( I.E a less aggressive cambridge analytica?) OR does the sequence matching that is already available with CODIS already help, and we just need more DNA from participants.

 

[Keekdasneak1314]

I’ve made a similar post on the most recent Shannan Gilbert thread if anyone is also interested. I have re-read lost girls and I picked up on a few details I didn’t know about. I’m sure these things have already been discussed but its just some details that stood out to me in lieu of all the new evidence that’s come out.
The first connections Maureen had to escorting in New York was from her friend Chrissy- who was a boy dressed as a girl.In 2004 when she started traveling to New York, she started having serial killer dreams. I wonder when she met Rex? She also got pregnant that same year and stopped going.
An Indian English guy named VIPs, (he had a huge birthmark on face)Set Maureen up with top ads on Craigslist by using a program(hack).
She had a set of rules for out-calls. Never leave Manhattan and only stay in parts of Manhattan. She told her friend that no amount of money could save your life. July 10 she was due in eviction court. She knew her ex would make a play for her son so she needed $1100 to cover her eviction costs. That weekend, when Maureen and her friend tried to post ads on their own, they were removed. It’s possible VIPs did this because they weren’t using him and he was mad.They couldn’t make any money. They were desperate. By Sunday, they only made $700. ( I had read somewhere else that they started calling their regulars to try and make money. It makes sense but I’m not sure how accurate that is.)Her friend and chaperones went back, but Maureen insisted on staying.

Melissa went by Chloe, Maureen went by Marie. When he called her friend Sara, he,Rex, called Maureen Marie(I actually got that part from the doc ‘the killing season’. He didn’t know her real name. Maureen also had a tattoo that said Nicole and Rex mentioned that to Sara too.(also from ‘the killing season’)
Melissa had a tattoo that said blaze.
Melissa and her friend Kritzia had a John method. They thought a man with a briefcase had just come from work, had a life and family and would be no trouble.Melissa used to run scams on John’s. Different scams for different John’s.
Melissa was way too trusting and her friend worried about that. Melissa’s pimp said he knew the John in Massapequa. Her last phone call was Massapequa. They had these clues prior to 2013, when lost girls was published.(Massapequa is actually mentioned a ton of times.)
Megan’s aliases -Tiffany, Jasmine, Lexi.
The marshes were full of poison ivy that would definitely be a factor for Rex or anyone else dumping a body or for Shannan running for her life.
Many of the bones were so fully decomposed that it wasn’t immediately clear if they were all female. It was speculated that either the killer cleaned the flesh off the bones or wind, rain and salt air had sped up decomposition.(never heard this before)
Joel Rifkin was interviewed after the G4 had been found. He said that technology would be what brings down this killer and he referenced Philip Haynes Markoff.
Maureen’s phone pinged at a water tower on fire island when it called her voicemail. It seems like that spot is just past the bridge to fire island. I think he was looking for his dump site. A new one? (For Maureen) Or he went there after he dumped her. Then I think he dropped her phone into the ocean….from the bridge… it makes complete sense IMO. That was July 12, 3 days after she went missing. I bet Rex had either just finished dumping her or that’s where he was headed.
Mellissa’s phone also checked her voicemail near Freeport. I was checking the map where Freeport is and if there were nearby bodies of water. There is…. Also by Mill Road. Weird coincidence, no? Some of the girls also had some signature jewelry that I bet was also dumped into a body of water.
Melissa’s mother received a phone call that part of her daughter’s remains had been found on the other side of the highway. No one ever explained exactly where or what they were or whether or if it was due to animal activity.
Melissa’s pimp received phone calls from Rex too. They were traced to a burner phone registered Mickey Mouse.
I’ve said before I think they knew him. They had met him at least once before. He had seemed ok so when he called again, there was some trust. The family’s had a get together after the bodies were found and they discussed this same thing. Some of them felt the same way…the girls wouldn’t have gone with anyone they didn’t know.
Amber’s sister said that the connection to all the girls is cocaine. Because that’s just how it is. I never considered a drug angle at all. It’s never come up with Rex, now that he’s top suspect. I feel like he might be too shy and nerdy to get coke. But…. Maybe that’s how he did continue trust once he had the girls in his house. Thoughts?
It’s possible Megan’s pimp saw Rex. He had alluded before that me may have seen Megan’s last trick, but he never said any more than that. Even when he went to prison, he kept it a secret. He may have simply been lying.

This !!! Finding a link like the pimp may be what helps make this clearer. Could it be that there was a falling out with the Pimp ( and the girls) and being desperate for work aka $ led them to RH? It might make sense given that RH has familiarity with the PIMP; and maybe the pimp is following the code of the street? I know RH is a major nerd but cocaine and pink cocaine are like the A0#1 party favors for johns and escorts. In manhattan, especially downtown, it might be easier to find cocaine than coca- cola, especially in hells kitchen and the financial district.
I feel like sometimes when I am re reading the posts, and evidence, as a killer he seems like the perfect hybrid of an organized/disorganized killer. I'm so intrigued by this guy.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

This !!! Finding a link like the pimp may be what helps make this clearer. Could it be that there was a falling out with the Pimp ( and the girls) and being desperate for work aka $ led them to RH? It might make sense given that RH has familiarity with the PIMP; and maybe the pimp is following the code of the street? I know RH is a major nerd but cocaine and pink cocaine are like the A0#1 party favors for johns and escorts. In manhattan, especially downtown, it might be easier to find cocaine than coca- cola, especially in hells kitchen and the financial district.
I feel like sometimes when I am re reading the posts, and evidence, as a killer he seems like the perfect hybrid of an organized/disorganized killer. I'm so intrigued by this guy.

Interesting theories @Keekdasneak1314 and @Mr.Dandy …. and they certainly seem plausible. As to a link to a possible pimp, also important IMO to remember that some have often questioned the police link as well. And from my perspective, who besides the beat cops would best know the working girls in their area? So there could be some association there too possibly IMO? And regarding the Shannan Gilbert case MP was her driver IIRC. Was there another role he played? MOO

 

[Keekdasneak1314]

Interesting theories @Keekdasneak1314 and @Mr.Dandy …. and they certainly seem plausible. As to a link to a possible pimp, also important IMO to remember that some have often questioned the police link as well. And from my perspective, who besides the beat cops would best know the working girls in their area? So there could be some association there too possibly IMO? And regarding the Shannan Gilbert case MP was her driver IIRC. Was there another role he played? MOO

Listen for a long time, my theory was there's a "sex" serial killers group", where these guys go out have these parties with escorts, important people come, and they do what they want during the party. I thought that Burke and Harrison and RH, were the main three that committed these murders. I still am still somewhat convinced that this took place at least once. I remember through the unraveled doc/ podcast that he was her daily driver. Drivers in this profession do more because of occupational hazards. I see a lot of this at my place of employment; where you have guys that "drive escorts" but also play the role of the "fixer" when necessary. Theres so much we don't know about that party in the Oak beach development.

 

[snarast]

Please let me know if you find out any information on the DNA cloud situation. This is something that could be a huge game changer for LEO's and their investigations. Do you think that this could be related to the 23& me DNA company collapse. I just figured if the company is barely in existence, could the govt essentially use the data that is available through them? ( I.E a less aggressive cambridge analytica?) OR does the sequence matching that is already available with CODIS already help, and we just need more DNA from participants.

That is way above my pay grade - I’m just stating the rather bleeding obvious regarding open source methods. One would certainly hope this is occurring already. But data governance can - allegedly - be a bit choppy at times. Could be ripe for a Gordian knot solution - but the question is if it’s good enough. There could be unexpected fallout I’m too ignorant to predict.

IMHO

 

[minazoe]

Listen for a long time, my theory was there's a "sex" serial killers group", where these guys go out have these parties with escorts, important people come, and they do what they want during the party. I thought that Burke and Harrison and RH, were the main three that committed these murders. I still am still somewhat convinced that this took place at least once. I remember through the unraveled doc/ podcast that he was her daily driver. Drivers in this profession do more because of occupational hazards. I see a lot of this at my place of employment; where you have guys that "drive escorts" but also play the role of the "fixer" when necessary. Theres so much we don't know about that party in the Oak beach development.

this is for real and a fact. and I thought it was very possible in the SG situation . that people were playing a game with her ...I totally believe RH murdered her and that other people were involved in some way as part of a group booking that she was called over there for... I think RH knew where she was...somehow, someway..maybe he hooked it up and I can see him being associated with Hackett...somehow this all makes sense in my mind. mOO