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Thanks for the video, I missed this interview with Tierney and like Gizele a lot.
He certainly gives credence to her work.
Curious if Tierney/prosecutors will use any of this info/data when they argue the defense's motion for inadmissible evidence?

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From Long Island Press this morning:
"Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney welcomed the defense’s motions, but clarified that they will still seek one trial for all seven murders and expects that the nuclear DNA will be allowed at trial."

That makes sense. Personally, I understand the state wanting to keep all the trials together -- what a financial burden this must be for Suffolk County. On the other hand, and looking at this practically, the first 3 will be the easiest to get convictions since The State has the cell phone records, so I can see trying those together. I'm wondering if the defense wanting to separate the trials also serves the purpose of thinking that if separated, and he's given 3 life sentences, that not all the cases will go to trial?

Is that a possibility? Thinking if he's convicted of only the first three, The State might not take the others to trial? I wonder if then he'd start talking.

OR he might continue to protest his innocence as Bittrolff has . . .
By Michael MalaszczykPosted on January 29, 2025
My thought is that while keeping the trials together will be a bigger challenge for jurors, it will also increase the ease of conviction for each murder.

For example, the defense wants to paint mitochondrial DNA as experimental or unproven. If it were just one victim's murder being tried, it could seem possible that this was pseudo-science.

But when there is a mitochondrial DNA link to more victims than can be counted on one hand, it begins to be harder for a juror to think that it is a coincidental apparent connection. It will not seem like prosecutorial fantasy that it is science that such DNA was found on so many victims.

MOO
 
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My thought is that while keeping the trials together will be a bigger challenge for jurors, it will also increase the ease of conviction for each murder.

For example, the defense wants to paint mitochondrial DNA as experimental or unproven. If it were just one victim's murder being tried, it could seem possible that this was pseudo-science.

But when there is a mitochondrial DNA link to more victims than can be counted on one hand, it begins to be harder for a juror to think that it is a coincidental apparent connection, and prosecutorial fantasy that it is science that such DNA was found on so many victims.

MOO
They have nuclear DNA on all the charged victims. That's why the defense wanted it thrown out. It's a lot harder to explain away a nuclear DNA match to RH or people he lived with on all the victims than it is to try and explain away mitochondrial matches that still look awful but can only be narrowed to groups of people with certain ancestry.

And the nuclear DNA from rootless hair has been used for seven or eight years now, it's not that new. Mitochondrial has been used for way longer. Trying to get the DNA thrown out is the only option for this defense, but IMO, it isn't going to happen.

MOO
 
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Please continue here.
 
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This thread is closed. Please continue at Thread #16
 
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Feb 24 2025
''Prosecutors consented to Tuesday's hearing but have argued the defense motion to dismiss the evidence should be denied because the technique is "generally accepted in the scientific community” and is based on technology “relied upon in a wide variety of scientific and forensic settings."
Defense attorney Michael Brown has said the California lab where the DNA testing was done is a for-profit business that is not accredited in New York.

Prosecutors have expressed confidence the DNA evidence would be admissible.''
 
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DNA - mitochondrial - generally accepted in the scientific community and the rest of the world !!

Come on NYC - get with the times its 2025 !

For what it's worth - I would put the case to Judge Only - preference not to confuse a Jury.
That's how Australia would deal with a Serial Killer trial with this many victims "Judge Only"
 
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Re-posting to this new thread the Ray Tierney interview posted by sds71 .
It's another example of just how intelligent and articulate RT is while being well versed in the 7 cases he's prosecuting RH for.

@ 33:35 Gizele asks Tierney about the possibility of the trial being livestreamed.
I didn't think it was even an option in NY state.


 
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When asked by Gizele if the RH's trials could be live-streamed Ray Tierney gave the edited version of the NY Court proceedings that would determine the outcome.

Snip from
"Section 131.3 Application for audio-visual coverage."

"d) In determining an application for coverage, the presiding trial judge shall consider all relevant factors, including but not limited to:

(1) the type of case involved;

(2) whether the coverage would cause harm to any participant;

(3) whether the coverage would interfere with the fair administration of justice, the advancement of a fair trial, or the rights of the parties;

(4) whether the coverage would interfere with any law enforcement activity;

(5) whether the proceedings would involve lewd or scandalous matters;

(6) the objections of any of the parties, victims or other participants in the proceeding of which coverage is sought;

(7) the physical structure of the courtroom and the likelihood that any equipment required to conduct coverage of proceedings can be installed and operated without disturbance to those proceedings or any other proceedings in the courthouse; and

(8) the extent to which the coverage would be barred by law in the judicial proceeding of which coverage is sought.

The presiding trial judge also shall consider and give great weight to the fact that any party, victim, or other participant in the proceeding is a child.

(e) Following review of an application for coverage of a judicial proceeding, the presiding trial judge, as soon as practicable, shall issue an order, in writing or on the record in open court, approving such application, in whole or in part, or denying it. Such order shall contain any restrictions imposed by the judge on the audio-visual coverage and shall contain a statement advising the parties that any violation of the order is punishable by contempt pursuant to article 19 of the Judiciary Law. Such order shall be included in the record of such proceedings and, unless it wholly approves the application and no party or victim objected to coverage, it shall state the basis for its determination.

(f) Before denying an application for coverage, the presiding trial judge shall consider whether such coverage properly could be approved with the imposition of special limitations, including but not limited to:

(1) delayed broadcast of the proceedings subject to coverage provided, however, where delayed broadcast is directed, it shall be only for the purpose of assisting the news media to comply with the restrictions on coverage provided by law or by the presiding trial judge; or

(2) modification or prohibition of video or audio-visual coverage of portions of the proceedings.

Historical Note
Sec. filed Dec. 2, 1987 eff. Dec. 1, 1987.

Amended on Feb 1, 2016, effective March 1, 2016.

cont
 
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Suffolk Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei on Tuesday set a March 12 deadline for the defense to reply to the prosecution's response to the defense push to try some of the cases separately.
Mazzei said he had intended to set a date for pretrial hearings related to the admissibility of DNA evidence on Tuesday, but the defense is still waiting for a hard drive with discovery. The prosecution said that should be received by the defense by the end of the week.

The Suffolk County District Attorney’s Office, in response to the defense motion, said the nuclear DNA evidence in the case against Heuermann should be admissible because the whole genome sequencing technique that provided the evidence is widely accepted in the scientific community.
A second outside lab also corroborated Astrea's DNA results through mitochondrial DNA analysis, the DA's office said.

 
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Prosecutors haven't reveled if they have DNA evidence from within RH's house yet Brown's go-to for RH's innocence is they have none.

Ray Tierney told Gizele @ GTC
in his recent interview that not even close to 20% of the evidence they have against RH is known by the public.


 
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Did RH's wife AE make an appearance in court today?
 
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''Mazzei set the next court date for March 12, when defense attorneys must file paperwork in their ongoing attempt to break off some of the murders.

The Suffolk County district attorney's office said severing the cases is "inappropriate as the victims are inextricably interwoven by geographic proximity, victimology, digital and physical evidence, forensic analysis, and defendant's own planning document" that allegedly contained detailed instructions for killing women, dismembering bodies and burying them.''

''The DNA match came from a technique called whole genome sequencing, which has never been used in New York State courts''.
 
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Prosecutors haven't reveled if they have DNA evidence from within RH's house yet Brown's go-to for RH's innocence is they have none.

Ray Tierney told Gizele @ GTC
in his recent interview that not even close to 20% of the evidence they have against RH is known by the public.


Well, usually there IS some evidence that a person has been in his own basement.

If it is true that there is no such evidence, that is weird, to put it mildly.

It reminds me of the other weird phenomenon: he seems to carry his family's hairs around with him more than his own.

MOO
 
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Well, usually there IS some evidence that a person has been in his own basement.

If it is true that there is no such evidence, that is weird, to put it mildly.

It reminds me of the other weird phenomenon: he seems to carry his family's hairs around with him more than his own.

MOO
Brown is claiming that there's no DNA evidence found in the kill room/house basement from any of the 7 victims RH is charged with killing.

Brown should know that even we all know that he doesn't know that as factual. lol
 
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Brown is claiming that there's no DNA evidence found in the kill room/house basement from any of the 7 victims RH is charged with killing.

Brown should know that even we all know that he doesn't know that as factual. lol
I still don’t get why RH would have to be terminating the torture in his house. He might have brought them there for role playing while his family was away but it would seem to me he could have opted to terminate his victims elsewhere. As an architect he could easily see to that, one would think.

Or he pulled a Dexter. He would be capable of that too.

As to his females leaving their hairs, maybe that’s because those Scandy brittle blonde little hairs are so easy to miss. Not that I know his first wife’s hair color in the 90s. I seem to recall that she is a caucasian brunette.
 
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I still don’t get why RH would have to be terminating the torture in his house. He might have brought them there for role playing while his family was away but it would seem to me he could have opted to terminate his victims elsewhere.

Or he pulled a Dexter. He would be capable of that too.

As to his females leaving their hairs, maybe that’s because those Scandy brittle blonde little hairs are so easy to miss. Not that I know his first wife’s hair color in the 90s. I seem to recall that she is a caucasian brunette.
From the adhesive marks, it would seem he did in fact go dexter. While no evidence can be evidence, no evidence can also mean extensive preventative measures.

Jmo
 
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Sure, Michael, sure.


"He has said he is not guilty of these charges. The more I review and the more I inspect what the prosecutor has, it leads me to believe he's not the guy," defense attorney Michael Brown said."


MB - Keep telling yourself that and maybe bring in NY Odinists some and just go for it.
 

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