Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Mrs.A]

Jonathan Randall, ONE OF US!

Forgive the question, but could someone kindly update me,
since I'm in Italy and have to dig a little deeper than if I lived in the US,
on any actual news regarding the dates of the next hearings or trial?
I already know the DNA problem.

The DNA "problem"... Lawyers have to try, it's their job.

 

[TOMBISHOP]

The DNA "problem"... Lawyers have to try, it's their job.

mmm yes of course everyone does their part... but I was wondering if there are any upcoming official dates?!

 

[Betty P]

It's good to know this, otherwise it's easy to think that there is no evidence connecting RH to the other victims,including Tanya(Peaches) Jackson and her baby Tatiana Dykes who were recently identified.
imo


"Tierney has not ruled out Heuermann’s possible link to the other discovered victims but said he put the brakes on further investigation after seven because of the state’s cumbersome court disclosure requirements, which he said threatened to delay the trial indefinitely.

Prosecutors are required to provide defense lawyers with all of the evidence in a case, material that is known as “discovery” meant to ensure defendants are not blind-sided in court.

“We really put a moratorium on our investigation of the case because what would happen is we would continue to investigate the case and then we’d have to continue to provide that discovery,” he said."

Exclusive | Suffolk DA shoots down talk of plea deal in Gilgo Beach serial killings

Exactly. I was thinking the same when some news articles brought up adding more cases. After following a trial for a killer in the Rhoden Family Massacre, you realize how long the discovery and pre trial process takes for multiple victims and crime scenes. In that case with 8 victims, discovery and pre trial took years. In modern investigations, there’s so much data to review - DNA, cell phones, computer files and internet searches, expert witnesses, direct witnesses, etc.


Better to move forward with a strong case against Heuermann for the first murders they investigated. I’m glad they’re doing it this way, instead of it dragging out years longer.

 

[Izzylizzy]

The DNA "problem"... Lawyers have to try, it's their job.

' Beach murders: A key test in use of advan'ced DNA techniques in criminal trials​

'The case against Long Island’s suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer has emerged as a potentially precedent-setting battleground in the use of advanced DNA techniques in criminal cases.'

Gilgo Beach murders: A key test in use of advanced DNA techniques in criminal trials

The case against Long Island’s suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer has emerged as a potentially precedent-setting battleground in the use of advanced DNA techniques in criminal cases

abcnews.go.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

mmm yes of course everyone does their part... but I was wondering if there are any upcoming official dates?!

"New York State Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei is expected to announce whether he'll allow Astrea's DNA work into the trial during a Wednesday hearing in Riverhead."


Aug. 31, 2025

Gilgo Beach murders: A key test in use of advanced DNA techniques in criminal trials

The case against Long Island’s suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer has emerged as a potentially precedent-setting battleground in the use of advanced DNA techniques in criminal cases

abcnews.go.com

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[Deleted member 117884]

"New York State Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei is expected to announce whether he'll allow Astrea's DNA work into the trial during a Wednesday hearing in Riverhead."


Aug. 31, 2025

Gilgo Beach murders: A key test in use of advanced DNA techniques in criminal trials

The case against Long Island’s suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer has emerged as a potentially precedent-setting battleground in the use of advanced DNA techniques in criminal cases

abcnews.go.com

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Let's go. Bring it on.

jmo

 

[dotr]

September 1 2025 lengthy article.

Gilgo Beach serial killer case a key test in use of advanced DNA techniques in criminal trials

A state judge is weighing whether to allow the DNA evidence generated through Astrea Forensics' whole genome sequencing into the criminal trial of Rex Heuermann

abc30.com

''If allowed, it would mark the first time such techniques could be admitted in a New York court, and one of just a handful of such instances nationwide, according to prosecutors, defense lawyers and experts.

Prosecutors say Astrea's findings, combined with other evidence, overwhelmingly implicate Heuermann, 61, as the killer.

But lawyers for the Manhattan architect argue the company's calculations exaggerate the likelihood that the hairs recovered from the burial sites match their client.

"You can imagine the pressure that's on this judge because he's probably more than likely making a ruling that will set the stage for all the cases that come after," said April Stonehouse, a DNA forensics expert at Arizona State University who is not involved in the case.''

 

[CuriousCricket]

September 1 2025 lengthy article.

Gilgo Beach serial killer case a key test in use of advanced DNA techniques in criminal trials

A state judge is weighing whether to allow the DNA evidence generated through Astrea Forensics' whole genome sequencing into the criminal trial of Rex Heuermann

abc30.com

''If allowed, it would mark the first time such techniques could be admitted in a New York court, and one of just a handful of such instances nationwide, according to prosecutors, defense lawyers and experts.

Prosecutors say Astrea's findings, combined with other evidence, overwhelmingly implicate Heuermann, 61, as the killer.

But lawyers for the Manhattan architect argue the company's calculations exaggerate the likelihood that the hairs recovered from the burial sites match their client.

"You can imagine the pressure that's on this judge because he's probably more than likely making a ruling that will set the stage for all the cases that come after," said April Stonehouse, a DNA forensics expert at Arizona State University who is not involved in the case.''

I wonder if or how much the handful of other cases where this technology has been used will affect the judge's decision? Will the location and the laws of that area influence this decision? Will the severity of the cases being tried in those other cases play into this judge's decision?

Or will his decision be based solely on New York law?

With what we think we know about the evidence, I believe the state has enough without the DNA to secure conviction. However, the DNA found several times, on different victims certainly strengthens the case.

Wouldn't it be interesting to know about those other cases?

 

[CuriousCricket]

While we wait . . .

Astrea Forensics — Success stories in the news

Featuring success stories using genetic genealogy and Astrea Forensics technology for preparing degraded samples, including rootless hair, for DNA analysis, whole-genome sequencing (WGS) and genotyping.

www.astreaforensics.com

I found this interesting - cases where Astrea Forensics have been successful. Links lead to MSM newstories, so I think it's ok to post here.

 

[CuriousCricket]

New this morning from Long Island Press:

What evidence links alleged Gilgo Beach Killer to more victims?

A distinguished law professor and former Manhattan prosecutor believes there is evidence linking alleged Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann to other murders.

www.longislandpress.com

 

[dotr]

Sept, 2 2025 lengthy article.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/02/us/rex-heuermann-murder-trial-new-dna-testing

'Jackson said the evidence could be devastating for Heuermann because prosecutors would be able to make the case for jurors that he was with the victims in their final moments. Without it, the defense would have an easier time arguing its case knowing a key piece of evidence wouldn’t be considered by a jury.'

''If the DNA testing method in the case is thrown out, Suffolk County prosecutors could rely on other evidence like the content allegedly discovered on Heuermann’s devices, including a planning document outlining a strategy for future killings, or the newspapers and magazines allegedly found during a search warrant of his home that talked about the killings of the women.

According to a bail application, the manual contained headings such as “Supplies” and “Problems,” with “DNA” listed as the top item under the latter. A section titled “body prep” detailed steps to clean, dismember and move bodies, while another called “post event” appeared to list tasks to avoid apprehension, including having a story set.''

Sep 1, 2025 #Banfield
A judge is weighing whether to admit evidence generated via genome sequencing in the trial of suspected Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann, who is accused of murdering six women from 1993 to 2011.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Sept, 2 2025 lengthy article.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/02/us/rex-heuermann-murder-trial-new-dna-testing

'Jackson said the evidence could be devastating for Heuermann because prosecutors would be able to make the case for jurors that he was with the victims in their final moments. Without it, the defense would have an easier time arguing its case knowing a key piece of evidence wouldn’t be considered by a jury.'

''If the DNA testing method in the case is thrown out, Suffolk County prosecutors could rely on other evidence like the content allegedly discovered on Heuermann’s devices, including a planning document outlining a strategy for future killings, or the newspapers and magazines allegedly found during a search warrant of his home that talked about the killings of the women.

According to a bail application, the manual contained headings such as “Supplies” and “Problems,” with “DNA” listed as the top item under the latter. A section titled “body prep” detailed steps to clean, dismember and move bodies, while another called “post event” appeared to list tasks to avoid apprehension, including having a story set.''

Sep 1, 2025 #Banfield
A judge is weighing whether to admit evidence generated via genome sequencing in the trial of suspected Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann, who is accused of murdering six women from 1993 to 2011.

Good coverage, thanks.

If the judge rules against Brown/defense can he appeal the ruling?
Curious if there could be more delays over this.
Anyone know?

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Good coverage, thanks.

If the judge rules against Brown/defense can he appeal the ruling?
Curious if there could be more delays over this.
Anyone know?

My GUESS is that he couldn't appeal now, but perhaps use it after trial for an appeal??

I'm not a lawyer, though.

jmopinion

 

[Izzylizzy]

Tomorrow morning @ 9 am is hopefully the actual beginning of the end for RH.

imo

 

[dotr]

Kevin Sheehan, Jorge Fitz-Gibbon December 17, 2024 rbbm.

Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann kept NY Post article, other clippings about the murders: prosecutors

Long Island cops searching the accused killer's home in May found a copy of The Post in his bedroom — among other reports he saved about the grisly slayings.

www.aol.com

''Accused Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann kept tabs on the investigation into the grisly slayings for years — by reading The Post, new court filings reveal.

Cops executing a search warrant at Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home in May found a copy of a July 29, 2003, Post article about the bodies popping up along Ocean Parkway — two decades before the hulking architect was charged with killing more than a half-dozen of the women.''

Long Island cops searching Rex Heuermann’s house earlier this year found in his bedroom a copy of a New York Post article from July 2003 about the killings. Suffolk County DA
''The news clipping was found in Heuermann’s bedroom with other reports''.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Sept, 2 2025 lengthy article.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/02/us/rex-heuermann-murder-trial-new-dna-testing

'Jackson said the evidence could be devastating for Heuermann because prosecutors would be able to make the case for jurors that he was with the victims in their final moments. Without it, the defense would have an easier time arguing its case knowing a key piece of evidence wouldn’t be considered by a jury.'

''If the DNA testing method in the case is thrown out, Suffolk County prosecutors could rely on other evidence like the content allegedly discovered on Heuermann’s devices, including a planning document outlining a strategy for future killings, or the newspapers and magazines allegedly found during a search warrant of his home that talked about the killings of the women.

According to a bail application, the manual contained headings such as “Supplies” and “Problems,” with “DNA” listed as the top item under the latter. A section titled “body prep” detailed steps to clean, dismember and move bodies, while another called “post event” appeared to list tasks to avoid apprehension, including having a story set.''

Sep 1, 2025 #Banfield
A judge is weighing whether to admit evidence generated via genome sequencing in the trial of suspected Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann, who is accused of murdering six women from 1993 to 2011.

Something tells me Brown doesn't even believe this. lol
imo


"Meanwhile, Michael Brown, the defense attorney for Heuermann, said Wednesday’s decision is important for their case but not essential.

“If we don’t prevail on this, it’s OK – we still have the ability to attack this before a jury,” Brown told CNN. “I’m confident that a jury would disregard this new methodology.”

Part of the defense’s strategy will include not only fighting the DNA evidence but also highlighting discrepancies in the case, such as an allegation that law enforcement had another suspect they were going to arrest before Heuermann was taken into custody, according to a source with knowledge of the defense’s thinking."

 

[Izzylizzy]

My GUESS is that he couldn't appeal now, but perhaps use it after trial for an appeal??

I'm not a lawyer, though.

jmopinion

That sounds right.

 

[Ruminations]

My GUESS is that he couldn't appeal now, but perhaps use it after trial for an appeal??

I'm not a lawyer, though.

jmopinion

The prosecution has one chance only. One "bite of the apple," famously. It seems likely that there are other victims to charge on. But for these 6, if the prosecution does not get a conviction, they can't prosecute again with the same evidence.

They could charge on new victims.

IANAL, so take that as a casual opinion.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 117884]

The prosecution has one chance only. One "bite of the apple," famously. It seems likely that there are other victims to charge on. But for these 6, if the prosecution does not get a conviction, they can't prosecute again with the same evidence.

They could charge on new victims.

IANAL, so take that as a casual opinion.

MOO

I meant after RH is convicted, he might be able to use this issue as an appeal to throw out the conviction. It's just a guess as I'm not a lawyer...but I do know enough to realize a defendant can't be tried twice for the same crime.

jmopinion

 

[Izzylizzy]

May the force be with whole genome sequencing.

Then again.
My concern is that Judge Mazzei may rule against it being entered as evidence fearing that when it's appealed that RH's convictions could very likely be overturned on appeal then it's back to square one and a new trial.

Advanced DNA testing can be used in accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann's trial, a first in N.Y. state

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann was linked to his alleged victims using DNA testing known as whole genome sequencing, prosecutors say.

www.cbsnews.com