Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[hazel324]

How long was she missing when she was found? Maureen Brainard-Barnes. Is there an autopsy report online?

The 4 Gilgo Beach bodies are connected by camouflage burlap. The 4 Atlantic City bodies are connected by having similar circumstances to each other.

I think it's quite likely that he murdered before the Gilgo Beach bodies, and that he continued murdering after the bodies were found around 2010. I wonder whether, over time, he became more confident about hunting victims and leaving bodies closer to home. His first victims might have been 20-30 miles away.

It has been 12-13 years since the Gilgo Beach bodies were found, but I don't think he stopped murdering in 2011 - especially since the investigation was a mess.

He reminds me of John Gacy, who ran out of places to put bodies after he filled the crawl space under his house. If Gacy almost got caught but didn't, where would he put the bodies? Farther away? How far? Not a storage unit - too easy.

10 miles away? In water rather than on the beach? ... curious about the mind of the serial killer who got away with it for up to 30 years, almost got caught, then had another 12 years to do it again. How would he modify his strategy.

One burner phone per victim strikes me as reacting to almost getting caught by cell data. Hueurmann had one burner phone for each Gilgo Beach victim. That alone seems sophisticated in the task of torture murder.

Back in the day I guess he felt safe using burner phones that couldn't be traced to him. Guess he didn't realise that cell tracking gps etc were linking his own phone with the burners, ie taking same routes and being in exactly same locations. Burn!

 

[CuriousCricket]

How long was she missing when she was found? Maureen Brainard-Barnes. Is there an autopsy report online?

The 4 Gilgo Beach bodies are connected by camouflage burlap. The 4 Atlantic City bodies are connected by having similar circumstances to each other.

I think it's quite likely that he murdered before the Gilgo Beach bodies, and that he continued murdering after the bodies were found around 2010. I wonder whether, over time, he became more confident about hunting victims and leaving bodies closer to home. His first victims might have been 20-30 miles away.

It has been 12-13 years since the Gilgo Beach bodies were found, but I don't think he stopped murdering in 2011 - especially since the investigation was a mess.

He reminds me of John Gacy, who ran out of places to put bodies after he filled the crawl space under his house. If Gacy almost got caught but didn't, where would he put the bodies? Farther away? How far? Not a storage unit - too easy.

10 miles away? In water rather than on the beach? ... curious about the mind of the serial killer who got away with it for up to 30 years, almost got caught, then had another 12 years to do it again. How would he modify his strategy.

One burner phone per victim strikes me as reacting to almost getting caught by cell data. Hueurmann had one burner phone for each Gilgo Beach victim. That alone seems sophisticated in the task of torture murder.

Hi, MBB was missing from July 2007 to December 2010. I don't know about an autopsy report, but probably. My info is taken from the bail application for Heuermann.

What looks "first timer" to me is the killer using belts - at the head, the chest/waist area and feet / ankles. At least one belt had a monogram! Plus MBB was wrapped in plastic, NOT in a camo burlap (bag).

The fact that the other three were restrained with tape at the same three locations, then wrapped or bagged in camo burlap makes me question the experience of the killer. Once he knew the need for restraint material, he decided on what would work best, then provided it at the kill site and used the same material three times. Once he knew where the bodies would be hidden he provided not just burlap, but camo burlap specifically to blend with the background.

There were hairs caught in the belt(s) on MBB, but there were also hairs in the tape on the others, so that appears to be about the same.

I think the four were killed by the same man. But for the first in the series -- does he appear to be an experienced killer?

You see, from his age, I would have expected Heuermann to have been very experienced at 43, the age he was when MBB was killed. I've thought this was a grouping from a prolific career of killing. Joel Rifkin, when interviewed about Heuermann said to look for groups of four that he himself had groups of three.

Now, though, after considering this, I'm completely unsure about when Heuermann may have started killing.

You wrote: "One burner phone per victim strikes me as reacting to almost getting caught by cell data. Heuermann had one burner phone for each Gilgo Beach victim. That alone seems sophisticated in the task of torture murder."

It does, doesn't it. But Heuermann is sloppy. When arrested he had a burner phone on him with some very incriminating searches and had even done selfies for his "dating" profiles on the burner phone. At one point, early on, he checked messages for either one of the victims' voicemail accounts or something equally incriminating from his personal cell phone and not the burner.

I'm just really, really curious why MBB was wrapped with belts and plastic, seemingly whatever was on hand, IF her killer had any experience at all? And why come up with tape and camo burlap for the next 3?

I can't make it make sense.

 

[iamshadow21]

Ok, cool, I see that now. <3

I'm not up to date on the individual threads, yet, because there are so many of them. Reading now.

Looks like her NamUs specifies it was a garbage bag, too.

I had hopes that perhaps she was in a burlap sack, connecting her to the GB4, and the investigators were keeping it quiet.

Ah, well. I think there's a possibility she's still connected, but I'm less convinced she is now.

MOO

 

[Kikalina]

Hi, MBB was missing from July 2007 to December 2010. I don't know about an autopsy report, but probably. My info is taken from the bail application for Heuermann.

What looks "first timer" to me is the killer using belts - at the head, the chest/waist area and feet / ankles. At least one belt had a monogram! Plus MBB was wrapped in plastic, NOT in a camo burlap (bag).

The fact that the other three were restrained with tape at the same three locations, then wrapped or bagged in camo burlap makes me question the experience of the killer. Once he knew the need for restraint material, he decided on what would work best, then provided it at the kill site and used the same material three times. Once he knew where the bodies would be hidden he provided not just burlap, but camo burlap specifically to blend with the background.

There were hairs caught in the belt(s) on MBB, but there were also hairs in the tape on the others, so that appears to be about the same.

I think the four were killed by the same man. But for the first in the series -- does he appear to be an experienced killer?

You see, from his age, I would have expected Heuermann to have been very experienced at 43, the age he was when MBB was killed. I've thought this was a grouping from a prolific career of killing. Joel Rifkin, when interviewed about Heuermann said to look for groups of four that he himself had groups of three.

Now, though, after considering this, I'm completely unsure about when Heuermann may have started killing.

You wrote: "One burner phone per victim strikes me as reacting to almost getting caught by cell data. Heuermann had one burner phone for each Gilgo Beach victim. That alone seems sophisticated in the task of torture murder."

It does, doesn't it. But Heuermann is sloppy. When arrested he had a burner phone on him with some very incriminating searches and had even done selfies for his "dating" profiles on the burner phone. At one point, early on, he checked messages for either one of the victims' voicemail accounts or something equally incriminating from his personal cell phone and not the burner.

I'm just really, really curious why MBB was wrapped with belts and plastic, seemingly whatever was on hand, IF her killer had any experience at all? And why come up with tape and camo burlap for the next 3?

I can't make it make sense.

Because you’re right, he realizes after he dumps MBB that he could “do better” and begins to use duck blind burlap, which is nearly identical to the ocean parkway thicket. This also leads me to believe while she may not be his first victim, she is his first victim he dumped there.

 

[MyBelle]

How long was she missing when she was found? Maureen Brainard-Barnes. Is there an autopsy report online?

The 4 Gilgo Beach bodies are connected by camouflage burlap. The 4 Atlantic City bodies are connected by having similar circumstances to each other.

I think it's quite likely that he murdered before the Gilgo Beach bodies, and that he continued murdering after the bodies were found around 2010. I wonder whether, over time, he became more confident about hunting victims and leaving bodies closer to home. His first victims might have been 20-30 miles away.

It has been 12-13 years since the Gilgo Beach bodies were found, but I don't think he stopped murdering in 2011 - especially since the investigation was a mess.

He reminds me of John Gacy, who ran out of places to put bodies after he filled the crawl space under his house. If Gacy almost got caught but didn't, where would he put the bodies? Farther away? How far? Not a storage unit - too easy.

10 miles away? In water rather than on the beach? ... curious about the mind of the serial killer who got away with it for up to 30 years, almost got caught, then had another 12 years to do it again. How would he modify his strategy.

One burner phone per victim strikes me as reacting to almost getting caught by cell data. Hueurmann had one burner phone for each Gilgo Beach victim. That alone seems sophisticated in the task of torture murder.

BBM. I agree with you. RH reminds me of BTK and there was much written about him after his arrest in 2005.

JMO

 

[Charlot123]

Here is the link to the video I posted above. I couldn’t edit for some reason

'Soundproof room' found in Rex Heuermann's home

Police searching the house of the Gilgo Beach murder suspect Rex Heuermann have reportedly discovered a soundproof room in the basement, a neighbor said.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From the article "Weeks stopped working for Heuermann in June 2022 after he shortchanged him $5."

I thought RH was greedy. I don't know how it will work against him in the investigation, but i hope it will.

If indeed there is a soundproof room, I am halfway expecting an underground passageway leading from it. Also, it is interesting whether he kept his guns in that room.

 

[vls12345]

In court, DA Tierney said:

He said Heuermann used seven burner phones to make more than 200 searches about the Gilgo Beach investigation and family members of the victims.

Since we are discussing that RH had a separate burner phone for each victim, does that indicate that there might be 7 victims? Was he using the "victim" burner phones to also do searches or did he have burner phones for searches that were separate from his "victim" phones?

MOO.

Note: quote from:

Revisiting old clue leads investigators to big break in Gilgo Beach murders

Rex Heuermann was tied to the murders in part through DNA extracted from a discarded pizza crust he ate and a male hair found on a victim, as well as his activity on a series of burner phones used to arrange meetings with the slain women.

abc7chicago.com

 

[LongIsland731]

He seemed to enjoy the interview he did with the Frenchman. I wonder if he will spill it all and do interviews with the media lile the sicko ridgeway.

 

[bonniejeanne17]

Hi, MBB was missing from July 2007 to December 2010. I don't know about an autopsy report, but probably. My info is taken from the bail application for Heuermann.

What looks "first timer" to me is the killer using belts - at the head, the chest/waist area and feet / ankles. At least one belt had a monogram! Plus MBB was wrapped in plastic, NOT in a camo burlap (bag).

The fact that the other three were restrained with tape at the same three locations, then wrapped or bagged in camo burlap makes me question the experience of the killer. Once he knew the need for restraint material, he decided on what would work best, then provided it at the kill site and used the same material three times. Once he knew where the bodies would be hidden he provided not just burlap, but camo burlap specifically to blend with the background.

There were hairs caught in the belt(s) on MBB, but there were also hairs in the tape on the others, so that appears to be about the same.

I think the four were killed by the same man. But for the first in the series -- does he appear to be an experienced killer?

You see, from his age, I would have expected Heuermann to have been very experienced at 43, the age he was when MBB was killed. I've thought this was a grouping from a prolific career of killing. Joel Rifkin, when interviewed about Heuermann said to look for groups of four that he himself had groups of three.

Now, though, after considering this, I'm completely unsure about when Heuermann may have started killing.

You wrote: "One burner phone per victim strikes me as reacting to almost getting caught by cell data. Heuermann had one burner phone for each Gilgo Beach victim. That alone seems sophisticated in the task of torture murder."

It does, doesn't it. But Heuermann is sloppy. When arrested he had a burner phone on him with some very incriminating searches and had even done selfies for his "dating" profiles on the burner phone. At one point, early on, he checked messages for either one of the victims' voicemail accounts or something equally incriminating from his personal cell phone and not the burner.

I'm just really, really curious why MBB was wrapped with belts and plastic, seemingly whatever was on hand, IF her killer had any experience at all? And why come up with tape and camo burlap for the next 3?

I can't make it make sense.

Just some thoughts...
Maybe RH was in the process of killing Maureen in the basement, when the vacationing wife calls and says I'm coming home tomorrow...meet me at the airport.
Now learning he has less time to finish up his business with the body, he chooses a quickie method, using a simple plastic garbage bag, and less elaborate burial.

 

[Sundog]

He seemed to enjoy the interview he did with the Frenchman. I wonder if he will spill it all and do interviews with the media lile the sicko ridgeway.

I think he was willing to do the interview when asked since it sounds like it is a local community kind of show/podcast, and there may have been times in the interview when he was more engaged than others, but overall I thought RH looked like the whole thing was an imposition. JMO from watching the interview.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It is still just hearsay. A neighbor says a cop told him…

Again, it may be true. It may not be. Until I hear it come from an official’s mouth, it’s just sensationalism to me. Moo

I agree with you. It's not been confirmed officially.

Nonetheless, I have a gut feeling that it's true.

I fervently hope my gut is mistaken.

 

[WTK]

One of RH's neighbors was interviewed and said the neighborhood will never be the same again. He equated it to the Amityville Horror and thinks people will continue to drive by to look at the house.
FWIW, after the investigation has completed and the trial is over, I think that home should be removed. It's not the type of memory the neighborhood needs to be reminded of each day.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

You are right.
I was just posting the Daily Mail in reply to you, because you may have thought only the New York Post that is reporting the soundproof room.

But in its article, the Daily Mail is only repeating what the New York Post reported.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

So I have a chicken/egg question.

Apparently LE has been searching the backyard with ground-penetrating radar.

And digging up stuff, starting with a backhoe and progressing to shovels.

Does that mean that the ground-penetrating radar identified something that was deemed worthy to dig up?

Or did the backhoe digging come first?

IDK it just seems to me that they wouldn't have started digging, particularly with a backhoe, unless they had an indication beforehand that there was something there to dig up, which would have come from the ground-penetrating radar.

I would love to know the sequence of these events.

 

[Sheila Terranova]

Killers like Rex are so evil and cruel. But watching the detectives putting in extremely long hours, working so hard and doing their absolute utmost restores my faith in mankind. I hope Rex never sees a beach again.

 

[AussieIan]

could have started at any age.
i see no reason for it to finish though.

A caught serial killer in my homestate stopped the year his wife gave birth to their daughter. Who knows how the mind of a killer works. Could have stopped for a mundane reason or had a revelation.

 

[kittythehare]

Psychologist Dr John analyzes man charged in GILGO BEACH KILLINGS #LISK

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[Dotta]

"A former coworker told The Post that suspected serial murderer Rex Heuermann, 59, once took time off from his job as a Manhattan architect to install a concrete-lined vault at his family’s Long Island house.

It’s not clear if that basement compartment is the one cops suspect could have been a killing chamber or whether it is possibly the space previously reported to hold Heuermann’s up to 300 guns.

But 'it’s not just a hidden room — it’s a serious vault,' the ex-colleague said.

'It had a huge heavy-duty safe door. He went and poured new concrete walls, massive amount of concrete to encase this room.'

'It was maybe 2 or 3 feet thick,'
the former coworker said."

​

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann may have killed victim in soundproof room; cops using cadaver dogs to search yard

Cops have reportedly found a soundproof room in the basement of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann’s home where they believe at least one woman may have been killed.

nypost.com

 

[Jora]

I’d love to know who this friend is that he shared a boat with. He doesn’t strike me as the type that bonds with other people outside his family (especially another man) enough to share a boat with them

I remember a fragment in the killing season documentary about someone mentions two suspicious duckhunters?? The first epidode

 

[Friday13]

Ok, cool, I see that now. <3

I'm not up to date on the individual threads, yet, because there are so many of them. Reading now.

It’s odd because I don’t ever remember a bag being part of the equation with that specific victim until I went back and re-read that thread. I was always super curious about Lattingtown Doe because she was found so close to wear I grew up but I only picked up on the bag in the last few days.