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It's not like a lightswitch, though. All offenders are capable of both disorganised and organised behaviour. Bundy's a good example to point to in that. While a lot of his behaviour was highly organised, he would medicate with alcohol, he would be impulsive, and towards the end, he exhibited decompensation that introduced a lot of uncontrolled, extreme overkill to his crimes, but also probably ensured he got caught.Based on historical patterns, organized killers are likely to be above average to average intelligence, attractive, married or living with a domestic partner, employed, educated, skilled, orderly, cunning and controlled. They have some degree of social grace, may even be charming, and often talk and seduce their victims into being captured.
With organized offenders, there are typically three separate crime scenes: where the victim was approached by the killer, where the victim was killed, and where the victim’s body was disposed of. Organized killers are very difficult to apprehend because they go to inordinate lengths to cover their tracks and often are forensically savvy, meaning they are familiar with police investigation methods. They are likely to follow the news media reports of their crimes and may even correspond with the news media. Ted Bundy, Joel Rifkin, and Dennis Rader are prime examples of organized killers
Organized Versus Disorganized Serial Predators
At the heart of criminal profiling is the idea that serial killer crime scenes can be classified as either "organized" or "disorganized" in presentation.www.psychologytoday.com
[snipped by me] I'm curious about this too. Do we know who the relative is who gave the sample? It's possible that LE assumed that person would alert the family.
I'm thinking maybe the burlap came from one of the greenhouses where she probably spent time?
Like others have stated, I would say Kolker's book is very well researched. That said, you also have to consider that many of his sources might not have all their facts straight either. The definitive source is always LE, imo , but there again, in this particular case, LE hasn't always had a reputation for transparency and truth.
You stated this so much more succinctly than I ever could have. Thank you !
I haven't seen any name mentioned specifically, only that a relative provided a cheek swab in October after the familial dna search linked to what they had of Karen's.
I’m thinking also of age. Killers get older, lazier? Sloppy? Forgetful?
interesting . . . Since it was camo burlap and not the gardening type, I'm not sure. Did he perhaps keep his "hunting" supplies in a lawn shed along with her gardening supplies?
Surely an advocate of victims should of helped them. In cases of fire etc we have agencies that come to victims. Did she refuse help? Daughter was employed? Son on SSI but no money? Was bank accounts frozen? Yet they had money for a rental car? It doesn’t add up. JMOO
Also, they slow down, they get injured or things like arthritis, their senses can worsen, but also, the world changes, forensics develops. What was organised and 'clean' enough preDNA, isn't anymore. What was a stealthy entrance and exit isn't any more in the age of Ring. While leaving town used to work, it doesn't in the age of centralised databases. And while driving and disposing at night used to be good enough, it isn't in the age where traffic cams, business cams, and even your phone and car track and log your movements. In this era, all but the most disorganised of criminals are going to exhibit some behaviour that used to be classed as organised just to keep ahead of the game, and those highly disorganised ones are probably the ones who belong in a psychiatric or drug rehabilitation setting, anyway.
The only thing I'd caution is a lot of the reporting on Shannan's last morning seen a live comes from Pak's account. Since Kolker was ahead of a lot of sleuths and depositions, he gives Pak's statements more credibility than warranted.
He's an organised serial killer*I’ve forgotten an important detail. Was it reported RH is a disorganized serial killer?
In contrast, the disorganized offender is likely to be of below average intelligence, low birth order, and subjected to harsh parental discipline. He is in a confused and distressed state of mind at the time of the murder, is socially inadequate, and sexually incompetent. The crime scene shows that the crime was committed suddenly with no set plan of action for deterring detection. Facial destruction and sexually sadistic acts performed after the murder are typical. Disorganized offenders usually leave the victim in the same position in which he or she was killed and make no attempt to conceal the body. Case examples and photographs are included
I haven't seen any MSM reporting that any victims' advocacy group was helping AE while she had no living arrangements while LE searched the house. I also don't think she would have refused help, she seems very open to help when it has been offered according to her statements to the media and MSM reporting. Daughter was employed at her father's firm which closed the day he was arrested. Son may have been on SSI but that likely wasn't a lot of money and who knows where they were with regard to the monthly cycle of SSI payments. Bank accounts may not have been frozen, but if they were living from paycheck to paycheck as many people do, there might not have been much to draw from after bills were paid, like mortgage, etc. She could have used a credit card for a car and hotel, but if she was trying to keep credit card purchases low, a rental car for a week is a lot cheaper than a hotel for a week. (That's if the car was a rental, I don't recall if it was a rental car or her car or a relative's car.)
that should be fine , so long as there is no corpse attached to it...
