Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[LadyL]

It's just me, coming to you with some more boots-on-the-ground reporting...

I've been out on LI helping my elderly parents out with some stuff and took a little break to do some geocaching in Massapequa Park today. I haven't gone over there in a few years and it's far more overgrown than my brain remembered. I checked out Brady Park (where the woman who claims she was accosted on July 3rd by RH started her bike ride) and found an area that fits the “He had very dirty clothes on. He popped right out of the woods. Everywhere I went in the woods he would pop out somewhere,” description. It's where a few paved paths and dirt trails converge and a person could easily go unseen just feet away from the paths and "pop out" at you easily from multiple points and directions.

If the woman is correct, and the dirt smudged person who accosted her was Heuermann, my theory is that he was in these woods either scoping out a location for future "endeavors" or he was visiting something from his collection. There is an entrance to the park just down the street from his front door.

I would be shocked if Nassau/Suffolk/State PD would spend the money to have any cadaver dogs canvass this area. I'm taking a guess and going to say it's just not happening. Luckily (sarcasm), I already have chronic Lyme's Disease so I'm not afraid of ticks. I will bushwack and explore the area more in the near future once the dog days of summer pass.

Just want to add: I did not drive by the house out of respect for those still living there.

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All pictures are my own.

thanks so much for the 'boots on the ground' perspective
those woods look very creepy to be walking alone in ...

 

[Dre]

Throughout the day I find I’m constantly thinking of AE and her children and what fresh hell they’ve arrived in. It’s some of the worst pity I’ve ever felt.

Thinking about the grieving families of the victims, and the families waiting for more answers. I pray they get some relief from their pain.

 

[Boxer]

In your link RH's attorney says:

"The press has convicted my client without seeing a shred of evidence,” Michael Brown told reporters after the hearing, suggesting that prosecutors "very well could have the wrong guy."

Guess Brown doesn't know was a Bail Document is....

There is exactly a shred of evidence. Would that not be a good description of Heuermann's hair found in the burlap wrapping of the killed?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Old post of mine where MP gets fuzzy with his own different versions:

Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert

I don't disagree. That has no bearing on Mari exploiting her children and exposing them to terrible things. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk Mari's history has no bearing on the LAZY det's in the missing persons squad

www.websleuths.com

(Can't find the source right now for the info as per Pak about SG being in the kitchen but will keep looking for it and post if/when I find it.)

This one?
Post in thread 'TIMELINE: Shannan Gilbert'
TIMELINE: Shannan Gilbert

 

[imstilla.grandma]

*I’m trying to get all up into Michael Pak and found this interesting 2011 article to share:

As prostitution has shifted off the streets and into hotels and apartments, the drivers who transport prostitutes have emerged as some of the industry’s most powerful players. Sofia, who uses a pseudonym because she fears retribution from traffickers, said that when she was enslaved as a prostitute, her drivers organized her schedule, drove her to appointments and took half of her earnings before she turned over the remainder to her pimp.

“They are more important than the pimps because they’re the ones who decide everything,” Sofia said softly in Spanish. Her words were translated by a counselor and a lawyer from Sanctuary for Families, a nonprofit group that works with domestic violence victims. “I want all of them in jail, or back in their countries. I don’t want to see them working like this.”

“Who would have thought that black cars or livery cars were going to become a point in the issue of sex trafficking?” said the Council speaker, Christine C. Quinn, who noted that this would be the Council’s fourth hearing on sex trafficking this year. “We have to hit every way we can to crack down on that effort.”

Shining Light on the Role of Drivers in Prostitution (Published 2011)

As prostitution has shifted off the streets and into hotels and apartments, the drivers that transport prostitutes have emerged as some of the industry’s most powerful players.

www.nytimes.com

 

[kittythehare]

*I’m trying to get all up into Michael Pak and found this interesting 2011 article to share:

As prostitution has shifted off the streets and into hotels and apartments, the drivers who transport prostitutes have emerged as some of the industry’s most powerful players. Sofia, who uses a pseudonym because she fears retribution from traffickers, said that when she was enslaved as a prostitute, her drivers organized her schedule, drove her to appointments and took half of her earnings before she turned over the remainder to her pimp.

“They are more important than the pimps because they’re the ones who decide everything,” Sofia said softly in Spanish. Her words were translated by a counselor and a lawyer from Sanctuary for Families, a nonprofit group that works with domestic violence victims. “I want all of them in jail, or back in their countries. I don’t want to see them working like this.”

“Who would have thought that black cars or livery cars were going to become a point in the issue of sex trafficking?” said the Council speaker, Christine C. Quinn, who noted that this would be the Council’s fourth hearing on sex trafficking this year. “We have to hit every way we can to crack down on that I

I'm more interested in how the client was able to make direct contact with the driver who was
a- driving around
B outside playing video games
c god only knows..

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“There is somebody after me,” she told the dispatcher multiple times. “Somebody’s after me — please,” she said.

Gilbert didn’t specify where she was but said she was on Long Island. At times during the call, she was heard speaking to her driver and security, Michael Pak, saying “Please, get me out of here, Mike.”

At times during the 911 call, Brewer and Pak were heard speaking, trying to get her out of Brewer’s home.

“Come on, let’s go. We’ll all go outside,” Brewer was heard saying.

Gilbert added, “Please, get me out of here, Mike.”

Gilgo Beach murders: Suspect in Long Island serial killings in custody, officials say

Police arrested architect Rex Heuermann, 59, Thursday night in Manhattan.

www.cnbc.com

 

[lgh0309]

Well, because it's the smartest thing to do. They have no idea what kinds of challenges they'll be faced with (legal and otherwise). I find it really troubling that there's so much picking apart of his family- by all accounts so far they are victims too and had nothing to do with what their father is accused of. It's nobody's business how they are grieving, which relatives they are in contact with, whether they want to continue to live in the house, whether they've talked to Rex or plan to visit him in jail etc. None of you know the context for any of this and it feels like gawking and victim blaming.

i’d assume they are all still in serious shock and extreme pain to the extent of barely being able to do anything much less make decisions and move house

 

[lgh0309]

There is exactly a shred of evidence. Would that not be a good description of Heuermann's hair found in the burlap wrapping of the killed?

why don’t they just say “no comment” ‍regardless of what could hypothetically come out favorable to the defense they wouldn’t have it or have investigated themselves enough to discover it yet. premature to weigh in. MoO

 

[iamshadow21]

I have read an articles postulating that Ted Bundy had bipolar disorder, and his last stint during which he was caught was an episode of mania. Can’t positively comment, but it solidifies my feeling that keeping SKs alive and studying them makes more sense than DP. About Israel Keyes I am almost positive he had some bipolarity. No one pushed him to talk about all his “feats”. It is as if after arrest, he became so impulsively talkative that he simply couldn’t keep it inside, and it accelerated and then, culminated in suicide. A very disorganized episode in the life of a highly organized killer, what does it imply?

So I wonder whether SKs make mistakes not as they get older, nor “towards the end” of their careers, but whether they are cyclical in their behavioral patterns, and make mistakes during especially bad episodes. It makes sense to me as most SKs I read about are people of high control, and episodes of total dyscontrol intercalating in their behavior might indicate some emotional imbalance.

One article that I read, about the seasonality of human behaviors, when suicidal peak falls on spring and homicidal - on summer, points the need to study the “killing patterns” of SKs depending on the seasons, and whether the level of their organization changes with the seasons, too.

Was Ted Bundy Diagnosed With A Mental Illness? | Oxygen

Ted Bundy is one of the most well-known serial killers in the history of America. Known as much for his horrific crimes — he killed more than 30 people that investigators know of — as his allegedly charming demeanor, Bundy remains an oft-examined figure in the world of true crime.

www.oxygen.com

This article raises more questions than answers but is also deeper

The Making and the Breaking of the Serial Killer

What kinds of factors make and break the serial killer? A look at Conduct Disorder, addiction, and the frontal lobes of psychopaths could hold some answers.

www.psychologytoday.com

Well, the 'bipolar disorder' dx for Bundy came from Dorothy Otnow Lewis, and everyone who followed Gannon's trial knows EXACTLY how much validity they should give anything coming from her.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

how can they suddenly be identifying all the victims? omigod this is so weird..what if it's from evidence found in the house or something?

They have been working on identification for these Does since the new team took over. They are being identified NOW because he's in prison. He's not going to get scared and hop on a plane to the Bahamas because the team is getting closer to him. We know Karen Vergata's ID was confirmed in NOVEMBER. They just held off on a public announcement until now.

MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

At the same time, Americans have adopted more cautious habits in their everyday lives — hitchhiking, for example, is less common, and children are driven to and from school. That reduces easy targets. And, some theorize, those bent on killing now opt for spectacular mass murders.

“The ‘perfect crime’ concept is more of a concept than it ever has been before,” said Adam Scott Wandt, an assistant professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

Twilight of the Serial Killer: Cases Like Gilgo Beach Become Ever Rarer

Rex Heuermann, the meticulous architectural consultant who authorities say murdered three women and buried them on a Long Island beach more than a decade ago, may have been among the last of the dying breed of American serial killers. Even as serial killers came to inhabit a central place in the...

news.yahoo.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Seems like the SK’s I’ve read about are diagnosed with schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder and an array of personality disorders, such as antisocial, psychopathy, sociopathy.

 

[Charlot123]

I'm wary.

I do see a moral and ethical rationale for justifying the study of cancers and other physical diseases in the interest of curing or at least providing more effective treatment or analysing actual treatment received.

I cannot subscribe to the removal of brains from evil people.
serial killers are not a homogeneous group.
No more than thieves or angry people in general..

I'm interested in the genre of it.. and I do believe in the phenomena of copycat killings, these are credible and evidence backed.
Brain disease and mental illness is best left in the hands of the psychiatric community.

jMO

There are tons of non-invasive things. Some of them random people pay $$$$$ to get into (e.g., PET scanners). This is what I was thinking of.

The rest I am not getting into because my approach is, prevention.

 

[Charlot123]

Does anyone know if any of the victims connected to RH and those he's not been connected to were HIV positive?

Super interesting question.

Here is a tad about the history of HIV treatment.

The History of HIV Treatment: Antiretroviral Therapy and More

AIDS, the disease caused by HIV, first emerged in the U.S. in the early 1980s. Since then, advances in HIV treatment has turned it from a deadly infection to a lifelong condition that can be managed.

www.webmd.com

So between 1995 when AIDS was still deadly and 1997-98 when people started surviving on the "cocktails" and their viral loads became negligible, there lies a huge gap.

We don't know when RH got into SWs and killing them. If after 1997 (because "cocktails" would not be mainstay among SW in 1996 yet), then yes, he'd have a chance of getting the virus and with treatment, have negligible viral load and a normal life. But hating SWs like GRK hated them, allegedly for STD GRK got when stationed in the military abroad.

If before 1996, then the situation could be very bleak for him personally.

However, AIDS changed a lot in the behaviors of communities, made everyone more conservative, including their sex life. Would it be reasonable to assume that as a smart person, RH either didn't go after SWs in early 90es, or if he did, at least it would be with protection?

Could we assume that presence of AIDS in early 90es could be the containing factor for RH in general?

 

[kittythehare]

There are tons of non-invasive things. Some of them random people pay $$$$$ to get into (e.g., PET scanners). This is what I was thinking of.

The rest I am not getting into because my approach is, prevention.

Dehumanisation is my fear.
They are criminals and murderers, there is a justice system which mostly works very well in USA.
What do we do to ourselves when we reduce them to experiments?

Some things cannot be prevented as you know. Some problems are organic in nature... it's not possible.

I don't know why RH did what he allegedly did.

I don't see him doing well in a general prison population, he'll drive everyone nuts with his huge ego and overbearing manner. I don't care about his welfare at all. Not my monkeys.
I'll try not to take pleasure out of hearing things go badly for him which they will. but I will not feel compassion for him. And I am a complete sucker for a hard story.

 

[kittythehare]

Seems like the SK’s I’ve read about are diagnosed with schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder and an array of personality disorders, such as antisocial, psychopathy, sociopathy.

A lot of them don't need diagnosing, they are nasty greedy cruel sadistic humans that enjoy inflicting pain on others.
Entitlement and Ego.

 

[Vpq]

thanks so much for the 'boots on the ground' perspective
those woods look very creepy to be walking alone in ...

Thank you. Those pictures show how scary the encounter would be. They should search the area.

 

[Warwick7]

Well, the 'bipolar disorder' dx for Bundy came from Dorothy Otnow Lewis, and everyone who followed Gannon's trial knows EXACTLY how much validity they should give anything coming from her.

MOO

omg! You are right...
*as I slapt my palm on my forehead*

 

[sds71]

Geraldine Hart, who became Suffolk’s first female police commissioner in 2018, made a crucial decision that helped steer the wayward murder probe toward Heuermann. A former agent in the FBI’s Long Island office, Hart dropped the old macho stance of going it alone and asked federal investigators for help.

“Coming in from the outside as the first female commissioner was a difficult thing,” recalled former Suffolk chief of department Stuart Cameron, now village police chief in Old Westbury, “but she was always very professional and dedicated to law enforcement.”

In 2020, Hart set up a Gilgo-related website and released the image of a belt buckle previously found by police, a bold attempt to reinvigorate the stalled investigation. Under Hart, a cutting-edge DNA technique called genetic genealogy helped confirm one of the unidentified victims, Valerie Mack, considered a major breakthrough.

Hart made sure the Suffolk police’s attitude toward the female victims was far different from that of a senior detective who declared in 2011 that it was a “consolation” to the public that they were only prostitutes. Eventually in 2021, Hart left Suffolk to become Hofstra University’s director of public safety…


As often in such a complex, highly publicized probe, many are taking a bow, including those who should be properly credited like Suffolk Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison and DA Ray Tierney, as well as FBI and New York State police investigators.

But in the recounting of how this murder mystery was solved, leading to Heuermann’s arrest, Hart should not be forgotten.

Give former police commish Hart some credit for Gilgo murders arrest

Suffolk's first female police commissioner made the key decision to call in the FBI.

www.newsday.com