Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Bree1950]

I wondered about that, also. But I do remember reading somewhere in MSM that AE's sister stated that this was overwhelming for their 90-something aged father, so the sister may have been staying with him trying to help him deal with the situation. And maybe AE and her two adult children moving into the father's home nearby was just too much, so they went back and forth. Just speculating.

Sad, either way, and they likely didn't have the money for both a rental car and a hotel, so chose the former so they could be mobile. Again, just speculating.

Where I live Victim’s Assistance would have assisted housing.

 

[Lore Listener]

where is the info about her and the kids sleeping in a vehicle?

I googled and have read 4 different articles none of which mention it

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

Does the H family still own the Palmyra property? I noticed an "offer pending" on a real estate site which could be old info and/or the H family sold it long ago.

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I'm not the one who originally posted it, @Sundog gets credit for that as I was merely responding, but anyway, it's right here.

 

[sds71]

In the weeks since the Gilgo Beach murder suspect was arrested, his alleged double life has cast new light on an otherwise mundane professional life in the city and its suburbs…

“We recently closed on a lovely, charming apartment in a pre-war co-op building in New York City,” author Bess Kalb wrote in her Substack newsletter. “Yesterday afternoon the building’s architect was arrested and charged with three counts of first degree murder and three counts of second degree murder.”

Antoine Amira, who recorded himself speaking with Heuermann last year. When I reached out to Amira to learn more, he told me he’d love to do an interview—so long as I paid him $5,000 to license his footage.

Heuermann’s former colleagues have continued to try to unravel what, if anything, their interactions with him could have said about the crimes of which he’s accused. Miyasoto said he had never suspected anything.

“But out of all the people I’ve worked with in my lifetime,” he added, “for him to be the one that’s in this situation, I wasn’t surprised. I am a little bit shocked, but I wasn’t surprised. Does that make sense?”

We’re Only Just Starting to Unpack Rex Heuermann’s New York

In the weeks since the Gilgo Beach murder suspect was arrested, his alleged double life has cast new light on an otherwise mundane professional life in the city and its suburbs.

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[Barbie619]

As opposed to all the rest of the scandal to do with SCPD? They weren't taking questions anyway, they just could have left that sentence out.

Because, so often when we're talking vulnerable victims, never reported missing so often seems code for not our fault, we couldn't have done anything, it's on the people in their life to let us know. They have all the power, and it doesn't matter how much the family protests that they did try to report it after that point, because they can't call a national reach press conference, and even if they could, they can't unring the bell of everyone hearing and writing articles about how they never bothered to report it.

MOO

Thank goodness for Mari Gilbert who was literally getting the run around from the police. She was persistent in her search to find Shannon and without her none of the bodies on Gilgo would have been found. IMHO

I worked as a Network Engineer since the 80's and while it's not a high risk job that would get me killed, it also doesn't become the whole sum of who I am. SW should be treated exactly the same and should never have to fear for their lives nor not be believed by family trying to report them missing. These are not jack the ripper times in the 21st century, a time when women in general were devalued.

 

[ArianeEmory]

“We recently closed on a lovely, charming apartment in a pre-war co-op building in New York City,” author Bess Kalb wrote in her Substack newsletter. “Yesterday afternoon the building’s architect was arrested and charged with three counts of first degree murder and three counts of second degree murder.”

This is probably some trivial thing I don't understand, but how could RH be the architect of a pre-war building? (I assume that refers to ... WWII?)

Or maybe it just means he was the architect for some remodeling or something?

 

[sds71]

This is probably some trivial thing I don't understand, but how could RH be the architect of a pre-war building? (I assume that refers to ... WWII?)

Or maybe it just means he was the architect for some remodeling or something?

He was the building's official architect and had to approve their architect's plans.

 

[Sillybilly]

I have speculated, theorized, & flat said there will be more victims connected to LISK. Additional victims will identified. I believe this is the work of Othram. Looking at this map I believe that Peaches, her baby, & the Asian male will be identified soon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688273138017042432

My theory about why LISK serial killer placed his victims facing North: as an Architect, Rex Heuermann would use True North and Project North. The victims were all placed in a row like a City Scape! These were his trophies like his buildings!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688571621584351233

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Not sure whether Sheryl is referring to the Gilgo or the AC murders. I have not heard that the Gilgo vics were placed in a specific direction, but the Atlantic City victims were placed facing east, not north.

 

[iamshadow21]

Not sure whether Sheryl is referring to the Gilgo or the AC murders. I have not heard that the Gilgo vics were placed in a specific direction, but the Atlantic City victims were placed facing east, not north.

Yeah, I was confused by that, too. There has not been anything said, as far as I know, about the Gilgo victims facing a specific direction, just that they were close together and bound and, in the case of three of them, wrapped in burlap.

The AC victims, they talked about how they were posed at length in the Killing Season, and you're right, it was east. I think you're correct, I think she's conflating the cases. If not, she's either making something up out of whole cloth or has someone close to the case leaking her stuff we're not privy to yet. I hope that it's just an honest mistake.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

I live in Idaho. They're pretty good about that here. Could be a different set of policies in New York.

I think it's as simple as RH was read his rights and then proceeded to ask for a lawyer. It appears that it was quick decision to get him off the streets which could be why they didn't have that warrant in their hands.

I also think that they had to schedule a date in court to request the warrant and I imagine that delayed it further because NYS courts have backlogs of cases. JMO

The Idaho case I didn't really follow, but I certainly heard a lot of complaining about the authorities not really working on the case, when in fact they were busy bee's trying to get the right guy. Now compare that to a 13 year wait that wasn't seriously worked on until 2022. I believe those of us who followed this case were taken by surprise when he was finally arrested. Compared to Idaho which was a fresh case and Gilgo being in the Antarctica this arrest is surprising, BK not so much because he was captured so quickly.

 

[windrower]

I'm not cynical about it; it's in their probably cause affadavit. They've sworn to it.

Oh, I understand that. I’m very pro-LE.

However, how many times have we seen alibis accepted and “proven,” and said alibis are later found to be untrue?

Yes, RH’s wife’s hair found with the victims can have a simple and credible explanation.

Perhaps cynical was a stronger word than I mean. I’m just a tad unsettled by it.

RH’s wife and children are victims at this time.

 

[Barbie619]

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[Podstan]

I haven't hit that part in the depo. Wow!!!

Where are you accessing the depos? I’m wondering if I read a condensed version of the bail doc because I don’t remember depos. But I would be very interested in reading them, especially those related to Shannon. Thank you.

 

[Warwick7]

Where are you accessing the depos? I’m wondering if I read a condensed version of the bail doc because I don’t remember depos. But I would be very interested in reading them, especially those related to Shannon. Thank you.

Discussions about the Court Docs in the case of Estate of Gilbert vs Hackett

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[Ruminations]

Since it was Ray, I assume this was a deposition for a civil (monetary) action? In other words, this isn't Pak being interviewed by law enforcement?

Correct. The deposition was by Ray in regards to the Gilbert civil suit. It is sworn testimony. One thing discussed was that Pak was interviewed by LE.

Pak said he was given a polygraph twice on the same day with the same questions several hours apart. He said LE told him they couldn't use the first one because he fell asleep, making it unusable. He said he asked how he did, and an LE person replied, "You know how you did." That was how Pak came to the conclusion that he "Passed with flying colors," as he later said. Pak said the LE person was smiling when they said "You know how you did," so he concluded they were telling him he passed.

MOO

 

[NyxNY]

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What an eerie little tid-bit of information that is. Interesting though!

 

[fred&edna]

Since it was Ray, I assume this was a deposition for a civil (monetary) action? In other words, this isn't Pak being interviewed by law enforcement?

Shannan's family couldn't get anywhere with LE... John Ray was the only hope. I believe it was Officer Portello that told Ray the only way he'd give him SG's 911 call recording would be over his dead body.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

His expertise was in expediting projects through arcane city building codes rather than in architectural design. Ginia Bellafante, writing for The New York Times, examined how Heuermann exerted influence in the tonier townhouses of Brooklyn, where architects of more visible prestige would need his help shepherding through their wealthy clients’ renovations. “As a journeyman who held bureaucratic authority, he could veto the plans of architects with degrees from Yale and projects in Nantucket.” Mary Shell, an employee of his around the time of the murders, wrote in New York that “his office was mostly staffed by women like myself, young and petite, the girl-next-door type” and that “whether or not he had any real political clout, he believed he did and tried to convince others that he did, too.”

Niv Miyasato, a designer who worked with Heuermann starting in the ’90s and shared office space with him in the early 2000s, described to me a similar picture of his workaday life. “He did what he needed to do,” Miyasoto said, referring to Heuermann’s work as a building code compliance consultant. “He certainly communicated with all of us on a regular basis that he was an expert at that.” He found Heuermann a bit awkward but didn’t think much of it at the time. More striking, Miyasoto said, was that Heuermann seemed to him like a doomsday prepper: “He talked about his hunting, and would maybe occasionally drop things like, Well, you never know what’s going to happen. ‘You gotta be prepared’ kind of stuff.”

We’re Only Just Starting to Unpack Rex Heuermann’s New York

In the weeks since the Gilgo Beach murder suspect was arrested, his alleged double life has cast new light on an otherwise mundane professional life in the city and its suburbs.

www.vanityfair.com

 

[Warwick7]

Since it was Ray, I assume this was a deposition for a civil (monetary) action? In other words, this isn't Pak being interviewed by law enforcement?

Respectfully, does it matter? Either way, this was his opportunity to tell the truth, yet tells terrible inconsistencies.

 

[Warwick7]

Shannan's family couldn't get anywhere with LE... John Ray was the only hope. I believe it was Officer Portello that told Ray the only way he'd give him SG's 911 call recording would be over his dead body.

That begs the question, is Portello dead?

Full audio of Shannan Gilbert 911 call

Full audio of Shannan Gilbert's 911 call, released by the Suffolk County Police Department. Gilbert was found dead near Gilgo Beach in 2010.

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[Podstan]

Discussions about the Court Docs in the case of Estate of Gilbert vs Hackett

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Thanks again. It’s interesting that the 59th Street Bridge is coming up in Pak’s depo as where he picked up Shannon and then a couple of days later, he was told to pick up another escort there. 59th Street Bridge was also mentioned a few times in the RH bail doc relating to cell pings, if I’m remembering right. I suppose this is a popular spot for escorts to be picked up from. Another ”coincidence“ between Shannon and the G4. I apologize if what’s new info to me is redundant to others.

also interesting that Pak says he was convicted in 2003/4 of “misusing a passport“ to help an Asian male illegally enter the country. I’m having a hard time not letting my imagination jump to conclusions. I do hope someone is looking into any connections to RH.