Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[SonsOfCain]

The jewelry is pretty if a bit overpriced, I like the funds going to them...but yeah it seems very tasteless to be naming pieces for the victims and such. Just...create and such but don't name the pieces for the victims or anything

Yes!! My thing is the thorns. If you want to memorialize them that’s nice. But why would you incorporate the way they were found into the design? To me the thorns represent the cruel manner in which they died. Their bodies placed on the side of a cold, lonely stretch of road. They should be remembered for much more than just how they were found.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Aug 11, 2023
The family of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann says their life has become a surreal nightmare. They claim their home was turned upside down in the investigation, and they're threatening legal action. CBS New York's Carolyn Gusoff reports'

[snipped by me]

We can't forget the state the home was reportedly in from the start. Reports indicated LE was at that home for such an extended time precisely bc of the clutter and garbage everywhere. A colleague of RH gave an account of seeing his vehicle one time loaded up to the dashboard with trash.

Not getting into the fray here. Just trying to point out that everything is relative. It's easy for these attys to claim this now and show the pictures, and I'm sure there was damage done, but I am inclined to believe that the bulk of the disaster (and imo, the significant disrepair and neglect) predated any visit from SCPD.

jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

A flaming circus is spot on. Imagine dealing with cancer, an autistic child and feeling like your juggling 100 balls at once and then suddenly your entire life is spread across the news every day.

On the flip side of that the families of the slain ladies have been waiting for justice for nearly 15 years.

No one wins here, except the lawyers.

I want to know about the belt. If it was his from a family member, I am curious how she did not see the widespread of coverage of this at minimum, three years ago.

jmo

Gilgo Beach murders: Photo shows initialed belt handled by suspected serial killer

Police on Long Island released a previously undisclosed piece of evidence in the Gilgo Beach murders Thursday and also announced the launch of a website to help solve the case.

abc7ny.com

 

[Barbie619]

YIKES.

Don’t even know where to start with that one.

That’s one hell of an accusation, and strong wording, to call her “complicit”.

Let’s say RH did have sex workers in his home, downstairs while his wife was upstairs. It still doesn’t mean she is complicit in murders. They could have had an arrangement or whatever you want to call it. Then to refer to the hairs on the bodies, we know how those hairs can transfer, if you share a household with someone.

What a crazy thing to do, go out in the open and accuse her of having involvement. He better have some darn proof, he says he does, but I think that’s something for investigators to determine and divulge, not him. Of course I/we can’t say what she knew and what she didn’t know.

As an attorney he should know what the word “slander” means.

Nasty, messy situation. Again, I/we don’t know what she knew and what she didn’t know, but going out and publicly accusing her? That is HUGE. If it turns out his accusations are false, then he needs to be disbarred.

You might want to skip the Banfield outburst that happened with Brian Entin hosting for Ashley. Brian was not buying what John Ray was selling and it became nasty between them. I also saw the Cuomo segment and I could see anger rising in Chris Cuomo but he never had the outburst that happened on Banfield. JR was exploiting the day of showing up after his own Presser which I didn't see and have no desire to see. My blood was boiling by the time he showed his face on Banfield.

 

[Warwick7]

As victims go, the Heuermann family is not particularly sympathetic as everything is weighed. The press conference overplayed. My suggestion is they take the money, beat their house into shape and sort of "sit down, shut up" and forget bringing legal action against LE for looking for evidence to help in the prosecution of a man accused of killing several women.

I realize I'm not finished all the thread yet, however, it has passed my mind a time or two on other killer's homes tore apart in the past..

Meaning.... if RH lived a single life, then we would be hearing people in the media yelling: "Tear that house up, tear it up, tear it up, find that evidence!!" He does have a bail document stacked against him. He hasn't been called the Long Island Serial Killer in the news for nothing.

Because he has family that didn't know about his double life, it doesn't negate that he has been arrested for heinous crimes that stretch decades in time across Long Island.

In 2016 my family and I stayed with friends in Massapequa. One night we had a big get together. It didn't take long for this serial killer to come up in their conversations. It may have been 2016 but, believe you me, they still lived in fear...

The house was searched/tore up for a reason: searching for evidence.

As serial killers are caught we will see their homes searched and tore up.

Do I approve of how bad it was? I have no opinion one way or another

 

[Jurisprudence]

LE has stated that she was absent for all of the murders.

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I don't believe this is correct. I believe he is the primary suspect in the death of MBB and there seems to be no reporting that I am aware of that the family was out of town during that time. In fact, I am inclined to think this may be the primary reason her death has not yet been charged but this is just speculation and opinion of course.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“She is complicit in her husband’s solicitation and use of sex workers in his home over the course of years,” Ray said during an appearance on NewsNation’s “CUOMO.”

Ray suggested that Ellerup not knowing what her husband was up to in their home was “nonsense.”

“She was in this tiny little home, where she lived and he lived. She was upstairs when he would be downstairs having sex with these prostitutes, and he spent enormous amounts of money on them,” Ray continued. “And it was a regular thing that happened.”

“I have a witness, a very credible witness, who I spent many hours with to interview,” Ray said. “And from that witness, as well as from the circumstances of this case, I know that Mrs. Ellerup is conning the public right now.”

NewsNation does not have proof to corroborate Ray’s claims. Authorities had initially ruled out any involvement of Ellerup, who they say had an alibi at the time of the crimes.

The Suffolk County Police Department said Ellerup was not in town at those times and do not believe Ellerup was aware of what was going on.

“John Ray is trying to keep himself relevant in this case,” Robert Macedonio, attorney for Ellerup, said. “John Ray is the only one in this case that tends to benefit from any civil litigation, John Ray is trying to tie her into it so we can gather any assets she may or may not obtain from the bus, This mystery witness does not exist, I can assure you, as Ella was not involved in this, knew nothing about it.”

“I think it’s a hamfisted, you know, porcine attempt to insert himself into a case that he actually has no involvement in whatsoever,” Mitev said.

Attorney calls wife of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer an accomplice

Long Island lawyer John Ray suggested that the suspect’s wife not knowing what he was up to downstairs was “nonsense.”

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[Warwick7]

Shannan Gilbert’s sister Sherre Gilbert said she “and a lot of the victims’ families feel it’s disgusting, because we were never given that much support when our loved ones went missing.”

“I don’t know about you guys, but I’ve never heard of a murder victim’s family getting $45,000 (in donations),” Gilbert said via speakerphone.

Wife of Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann accused by victims’ lawyers of being suspect in murders

An attorney for the families of two Gilgo Beach murder victims accused the wife of alleged serial killer Rex Heuermann of involvement in the newly uncovered Long Island murders — but her lawyers denied any link to the heinous…

www.nydailynews.com

I donated.
I also never thought about or considered the thoughts and emotions of the victims’ families.

It wasn't till later I heard that they felt it was/is disgusting

She is right.

Sherre Gilbert and others were never given that much support when their loved ones went missing.

I need to think about this. I don't know how I feel now....

 

[Jurisprudence]

BBM. There seems to be jealousy amongst the lawyers about the fund-raising. I view the wife and children as victims and am glad the neighbors have treated them with such kindness.

JMO

I think John Ray is advocating for his clients. As iamshadow and imstilla posted by link at #902 and #851 the families are disgusted.

MOO

 

[kittythehare]

I realize I'm not finished all the thread yet, however, it has passed my mind a time or two on other killer's homes tore apart in the past..

Meaning.... if RH lived a single life, then we would be hearing people in the media yelling: "Tear that house up, tear it up, tear it up, find that evidence!!" He does have a bail document stacked against him. He hasn't been called the Long Island Serial Killer in the news for nothing.

Because he has family that didn't know about his double life, it doesn't negate that he has been arrested for heinous crimes that stretch decades in time across Long Island.

In 2016 my family and I stayed with friends in Massapequa. One night we had a big get together. It didn't take long for this serial killer to come up in their convets. It may have been 2016 but, believe you me, they still lived in fear...

The house was searched/tore up for a reason: searching for evidence.

As serial killers are caught we will see their homes searched and tore up.

Do I approve of how bad it was? I have no opinion one way or another

I felt overwhelming sympathy for his family from the outset but I've kind of had it now, particularly since yesterday.

The victims have been forgotten or barely mentioned at all.
just like they always were, ignored and forgotten.

It's as if this gross macabre plot is replaying in the public domain, distract, distract, distract.

This entire case is a series of shock after shock after shock.
Seems to me that nobody is receiving professional representation from professionals.

What they are doing is egregious and unforgiveable.

I don't even want to read about their comics any more.

their clients will now be forced to haul 'em all in.

complete disrespect for the dead girls, all of them.

 

[Jurisprudence]

If the attorney has evidence/witness' to the contrary he has yet to advise LE of such.

[snipped by me]

I don't believe he said this. I'd have to watch the clip again but I got the impression that the information was, in fact, passed on. I would not expect LE to discuss it of course though.

jmo

 

[Warwick7]

... and the 3 hairs, they found on the victim's remains, can be tested for cancer drugs too. Would be double proof.

I was just getting ready to type that.
:0)
Then, there always is, that they can be tested for lack there of.

 

[Jurisprudence]

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

The 10 necklaces from Long Island-based company Jimmytoast are part of what the business calls The Heavy Metal Project, and feature thorns and spikes to evoke the dense thicket where the remains were found, colors matching the nail polish the women wore and symbols emulating tattoos cops used to identify their bodies.

“Some of these things are pretty obtusely designed — they’re pretty obnoxious,” said John Ray, an attorney for the families of two of the victims, Shannan Gilbert and Jessica Taylor.

“Shannan Gilbert’s is a bunch of thorns,” said Ray. ”That’s outrageous.”

Scantily clad models showcased the jewelry on the company’s website, which touted the baubles as “hauntingly beautiful.”

It even had a child model a necklace dedicated to the unidentified toddler whose remains were found in 1997.

A necklace dedicated to Valerie Mack, a 24-year-old who went missing in 2000, featured onyx details similar to a ring that was retrieved from her body and includes stones found on Long Island.

Jewelry designer Jamie Quilisadio came up with the idea for the project and partnered with the true-crime podcast “The First Degree” in May to launch a necklace along with the episodes on each victim.

“We just want to keep their spirits alive,” she insisted. “I definitely never meant for it to seem rude or dark or anything like that.”

The necklaces were priced between $60-$120 and have since sold out.

The proceeds, $5,346, are scheduled to go to the Sex Workers Outreach Project, according to Quilisadio, who sent receipts of the purchases to The Post.

“I wanted to use my artwork in a way that I could help bring awareness, and use the necklaces as a conversation piece while also protecting sex workers,” she added.

Exclusive | Haunting jewelry named for Gilgo Beach victims featured macabre murder details

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

nypost.com

I find this wrong on so many levels. From the concept, to the designs, to the choice of models. This is horrific imo.

 

[waldojabba]

I see his fashion choices as perhaps flaunting himself like a peacock.

But when has he offered information that has not proven helpful? I'm talking substance, not style.

MOO

BBM above - here is an example

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690213404626014208

Here is Johnny Ray again on newsnation with Brian Entin - take a listen

A few comments-

1. He starts off by saying Asa is conning everybody and she has for years
Uses an example that her husband makes plenty of money - these are not poor people - but she uses food stamps.
(JR knows all about the son's disabilities/eligibilty and food stamps but he wants you to believe that Asa is scamming the system)
Disingenuous at Best - not helpful
2. Then he goes into: you cannot tell me that they live in that little tiny house and how could she possibly in this day and age not have known that Rex was a serial killer. Says it overwhelming possible that she and the other adults in the house (aka the KIDS) knew very well what was going on in that house with Rex and sex in the basement ( still not sure even if that were true that means he is a killer and furthermore that would make his family think he was a killer)
What? - not helpful
3. Says Asa and kids never expressed sympathy for the dead girls /for what their father has done - he prob knows better than most that they were most likely told to not say anything like that by legal counsel-and btw innocent until proven guilty etc - but he says it points to their guilt
What? - not helpful

Finally under What? -not helpful - his very very credible witness who is not coming forward "at this time" who he personally "examined" (not interviewed but examined - his words) for hours. This witness says there were sex workers in the house and it was well known by the family. Once again its a leap from there to serial killing even if true, but hey it's Johnny Ray

IMO Put up or shut up IMO JR. If Asa/kids are complicit aren't you obligated to do the right thing and bring it to LE, don't shovel innuendo on newsnation.

I do notice in listening to him that he takes care to walk a thin line when making all his statements. He says "What I hear" "What I have been told ".

It is clear to me that he wants the family classified as "suspects" so any money can be frozen to preserve it for his clients. He's shady - but he does have a strategy and end game.

So maybe @Ruminations you are correct that what he does could prove helpful - helpful to his clients - its just not necessarily based upon anything in the realm of factual information nor actually helpful to the investigation at this point.

ALL JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I find this wrong on so many levels. From the concept, to the designs, to the choice of models. This is horrific imo.

I didn’t like them either I found it appalling. I love the idea of fundraising for sex workers but the photos made me think of thorns or barbed wire around their necks, particularly Shannan.

 

[kittythehare]

BBM above - here is an example

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690213404626014208

Here is Johnny Ray again on newsnation with Brian Entin - take a listen

A few comments-

1. He starts off by saying Asa is conning everybody and she has for years
Uses an example that her husband makes plenty of money - these are not poor people - but she uses food stamps.
(JR knows all about the son's disabilities/eligibilty and food stamps but he wants you to believe that Asa is scamming the system)
Disingenuous at Best - not helpful
2. Then he goes into: you cannot tell me that they live in that little tiny house and how could she possibly in this day and age not have known that Rex was a serial killer. Says it overwhelming possible that she and the other adults in the house (aka the KIDS) knew very well what was going on in that house with Rex and sex in the basement ( still not sure even if that were true that means he is a killer and furthermore that would make his family think he was a killer)
What? - not helpful
3. Says Asa and kids never expressed sympathy for the dead girls /for what their father has done - he prob knows better than most that they were most likely told to not say anything like that by legal counsel-and btw innocent until proven guilty etc - but he says it points to their guilt
What? - not helpful

Finally under What? -not helpful - his very very credible witness who is not coming forward "at this time" who he personally "examined" (not interviewed but examined - his words) for hours. This witness says there were sex workers in the house and it was well known by the family. Once again its a leap from there to serial killing even if true, but hey it's Johnny Ray

IMO Put up or shut up IMO JR. If Asa/kids are complicit aren't you obligated to do the right thing and bring it to LE, don't shovel innuendo on newsnation.

I do notice in listening to him that he takes care to walk a thin line when making all his statements. He says "What I hear" "What I have been told ".

It is clear to me that he wants the family classified as "suspects" so any money can be frozen to preserve it for his clients. He's shady - but he does have a strategy and end game.

So maybe @Ruminations you are correct that what he does could prove helpful - helpful to his clients - its just not necessarily based upon anything in the realm of factual information nor actually helpful to the investigation at this point.

ALL JMO

There is no evidence connecting rH to either of his clients afaik.
This does nothing for his clients.
There is plenty to be done for his clients, a fact he appears to ignore or he doesn't know about it yet?

I'd really like to see his clients receiving better representation, they deserve that, not this hysterical nonsense.

 

[x_files]

I agree that AE and family need to be careful about the focus on them and the condition of the house, but I suspect their attorney has advised them not to speak publicly about the victims and the case against her husband.

They have been thrust into the spotlight through no fault of their own, and can't be expected to know how to deal with the situation, especially so quickly.

Not an enviable situation.

 

[Ruminations]

I realize I'm not finished all the thread yet, however, it has passed my mind a time or two on other killer's homes tore apart in the past..

Meaning.... if RH lived a single life, then we would be hearing people in the media yelling: "Tear that house up, tear it up, tear it up, find that evidence!!" He does have a bail document stacked against him. He hasn't been called the Long Island Serial Killer in the news for nothing.

Because he has family that didn't know about his double life, it doesn't negate that he has been arrested for heinous crimes that stretch decades in time across Long Island.

In 2016 my family and I stayed with friends in Massapequa. One night we had a big get together. It didn't take long for this serial killer to come up in their conversations. It may have been 2016 but, believe you me, they still lived in fear...

The house was searched/tore up for a reason: searching for evidence.

As serial killers are caught we will see their homes searched and tore up.

Do I approve of how bad it was? I have no opinion one way or another

Couldn't it be horrific for the family and necessary for the investigation at the same time?

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

[snipped by me]

We can't forget the state the home was reportedly in from the start. Reports indicated LE was at that home for such an extended time precisely bc of the clutter and garbage everywhere. A colleague of RH gave an account of seeing his vehicle one time loaded up to the dashboard with trash.

Not getting into the fray here. Just trying to point out that everything is relative. It's easy for these attys to claim this now and show the pictures, and I'm sure there was damage done, but I am inclined to believe that the bulk of the disaster (and imo, the significant disrepair and neglect) predated any visit from SCPD.

jmo

They've been back in the home for several days now (can't find a date on the stories) maybe as much as 2 weeks. Now, I realize she has cancer, but there are two young people there who could have been put to work moving things around and straightening up the house. Isn't that what most folks would do -- work on their own house?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Smith, the Northport attorney, said his first witness in any trial would be the detective who, in the early days of the investigation, “discounted or didn’t forward the information” of the witness who claimed to have seen a Chevrolet Avalanche at Costello’s home on the day before she was last seen alive.

“I’d focus on the one witness [investigators] came up with 10 years ago,” Smith said, adding it appeared that "nobody paid attention to that witness. Even the witness said the case could have been solved 10 years ago.”

Levin said he’d also quiz investigators on whether they interviewed all clients of the victims, including “tracing the girls’ last calls and who called them.”

Gilgo Beach killings: Defense lawyers offer ways to challenge evidence in case against Rex Heuermann

The case is expected to be expensive and legally complex, experts say, with a thorough defense investigation needed to test and rebut the prosecution's evidence.

www.newsday.com