Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[squareandrabbet]

I find it very strange that multiple posters in this thread are accusing Heuermann's wife of helping facilitate the murders of multiple woman when there is little to no evidence provided to point in that direction. In fact, the evidence that has been provided does the exact opposite, proving that he commited the murders when she was on holiday. The evidence that could point in that direction is have the nucleus of the hair that isn't even 100% his wife's but that can easily be explained by him having it on his clothes or bringing them home - while she isn't there, mind you - and the word of a lawyer that has been sketchy at best.

Well, if their home is super dirty (or, at least, has been described as "akin to hoarder"), couldn't there be carpet transfer?

I've hair something akin to his Mrs., and I molt all over the place. (I even got one of those long rubber-toothed pet rakes for the throw rugs, because pushing a vacuum is hard on my lousy L5/S1.)

IMO, their carpets are probably a semi-matted mess, and it'd be no surprise to me if the hair transfer was totally accidental. (My poor beleaguered father once found one of my mother's hairs; INSIDE his sock, wound about his toe cutting off his circulation at work, lol; so I'm used to decades of this.)

 

[kittythehare]

I just want his lair to be found so bad..
We're really stuck until that happens.
I believe their deaths were prolonged because of the nature of the beast and if his only desire in killing was instant death, he could easily have broken their necks in the street and kept on walking..
that is not what he chose though, is it?
He chose petite light young women.

Not his own size.

And not just to break their necks quickly and kill them fast either IMO.

That lair simply must be found.

IMO (rant over)

 

[margarita25]

Generally speaking, I think serial killers may be more common than previously thought, or than people think. Too tired to go into why I think this, not sure I can explain it well even if not tired. It’s just a hunch, imo.

There seems to be overlap sometimes, trying to attribute which killer may have been responsible for which killing. These are just the ones we know about.

So many unsolved cases. So many homicides.

I think there are a lot of sick people out there, more than some of us are willing to accept exist. Of course ratio-wise, when quantified amount per population, it might seem like a small number, and proportionately it is, but independently, nonproprtionately it’s still a significant number.

There are gazillions of shows on ID. Of course not all are related to serial killers.

I think tracking technology, DNA advancement, surveillance, makes it harder to get away with.

But I think there is a significant amount of people out there who want to kill.

That’s my uplifting input at bedtime.

 

[amaraya]

There is evidence, namely her DNA and hair found in the wrappings of two victims bodies. Two of the three hairs found on victims bodies were hers. There's also a new witness who claims knowledge of Rex bringing sex workers back to the home while his family was there, on more than one occasion.

The investigation isn't complete, but the evidence out there can't be ignored. No one is accusing her, but they need to question her and pursue an investigation. If something turns up in the evidence from the search warrants, they probably will take a closer look.

Do you have a link to this info?

Thanks!

 

[margarita25]

I just want his lair to be found so bad..
We're really stuck until that happens.
I believe their deaths were prolonged because of the nature of the beast and if his only desire in killing was instant death, he could easily have broken their necks in the street and kept on walking..
that is not what he chose though, is it?
He chose petite light young women.

Not his own size.

And not just to break their necks quickly and kill them fast either IMO.

That lair simply must be found.

IMO (rant over)

Based on his Google searches, I think his victim preference could be diverse. I think it’s possible he has victims that may fall out of the same physical traits. Who knows, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I just want his lair to be found so bad..
We're really stuck until that happens.
I believe their deaths were prolonged because of the nature of the beast and if his only desire in killing was instant death, he could easily have broken their necks in the street and kept on walking..
that is not what he chose though, is it?
He chose petite light young women.

Not his own size.

And not just to break their necks quickly and kill them fast either IMO.

That lair simply must be found.

IMO (rant over)

I think it could possibly be near Penn Station. I think that’s where Maureen’s last call came from. LE is unable to connect RH to her yet so perhaps she might be the key. He worked in Manhattan, commuting through New York-Penn Station. I think he could have somehow incapacitated them rather quickly upon meetup considering difference in stature and body style. Did he actually greet them or was he watching and waiting for them? Stalking them like game. He had his prey selected, his weapon of choice (maybe his hands, maybe mace or taser) to incapacitate them, a lair pre-prepared, already stocked with preferred materials (burlap), a vehicle to transport (did he have his car already waiting at Penn Station or Grand Central) to capture his date, do the deed, discard her body and return home to his naive unsuspecting wife.

 

[kittythehare]

I think it could possibly be near Penn Station. I think that’s where Maureen’s last call came from. LE is unable to connect RH to her yet so perhaps she might be the key. He worked in Manhattan, commuting through New York-Penn Station. I think he could have somehow incapacitated them rather quickly upon meetup considering difference in stature and body style. Did he actually greet them or was he watching and waiting for them? Stalking them like game. He had his prey selected, his weapon of choice (maybe his hands, maybe mace or taser) to incapacitate them, a lair pre-prepared, already stocked with preferred materials (burlap), a vehicle to transport (did he have his car already waiting at Penn Station or Grand Central) to capture his date, do the deed, discard her body and return home to his naive unsuspecting wife.

prolly picked them up in his vehicle by pre arrangement, offered to pay them extra to go home with him, home is the torture chamber which probably looks pretty normal on the outside.

But Really I think he had many different ways of operating, the way he described the building codes was like someone describing loopholes for clients..

I think he would have perfected it over the years.
Whatever that means in his mind.
Perfection.

He had a helluva long run of it..

 

[kittythehare]

Based on his Google searches, I think his victim preference could be diverse. I think it’s possible he has victims that may fall out of the same physical traits. Who knows, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

..bearing in mind we have only seen his Google searches specific to his current charges at that..
what else is there, I wonder?

 

[Just K]

Think about that. Wouldn't it backfire on the defendant? This witness would have to describe the green Chevy Avalanche (now in the possession of the SCPD and still in the ownership of the defendant or his brother), the "ogre" like man . . . It still all points to RH . . . How is that a good tactic?

Yes. In the previous thread a member suggested that there had to be many Chevy Avalanches in LI, at the time but that got me wondering. How many people, outside landscaping and parks crews would choose a green bevy Avalanche? Also, how many were owned by huge men? It still the link/tip that once taken seriously broke this case wide open.

 

[Really?]

More importantly, I hope the prosecution gets all the witnesses and evidence it needs to build a solid case that will keep Rex H behind bars for life and beyond. They've amassed a great deal of evidence, but some of it is circumstantial, some of it requires expert testimony that jurors need to be able to understand. That's especially so with DNA evidence, for murders that happened more than a dozen years ago.

I also hope the prosecution gets a good, unbiased jury.

I’m going to use this post to ask a question.

is it true that by withholding a victim in this case. And RH isn’t convicted. The DA still has the fourth victim to prosecute him on.

is this true?

 

[Betty P]

At first I thought well, maybe he later saw the vehicle later with the wife around town or something, it was the only way I could fit him in with what JR said. I agree he was definitely dismissed for some issue. DS may or not know the reasons why, but my invisible radar could tell he is pissed he was overlooked and heard ‘go away you’re a pest’ from LE those times he made visits to the police station. He wasn’t even recognized when first announced. Uncool!

The problem with DS's information being dismissed is that LE apparently didn't even try to follow up on it. A simple series of searches would have brought them right to Rex's door, right in their target area.

Big mistake on their part, but hopefully its one others can learn from.

It's extremely valid evidence and a jury will see it as such. I'm surprised anyone is trying to discount it. Good luck with that.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

I’m going to use this post to ask a question.

is it true that by withholding a victim in this case. And RH isn’t convicted. The DA still has the fourth victim to prosecute him on.

is this true?

I hadn't heard anything about that. IANAL, but I assume you're talking about the 4th victim for whom they're still gathering evidence? There are some verified attorneys here at WS, we might ask them. @PrairieWind and @Gitana are two of them. Maybe they'll drop in, but they'll need a little background because they may not be following this case closely.

 

[Mtg0323]

Hi all, I am new here. Something tells me he will probably have somewhere he took the girls to in Queens, since he made the taunting calls about a whorehouse in Queens. I could be totally wrong though

 

[kittythehare]

Hi all, I am new here. Something tells me he will probably have somewhere he took the girls to in Queens, since he made the taunting calls about a whorehouse in Queens. I could be totally wrong though

Welcome.
Good to see you and thanks for a great first post.
Queens sounds like a great place to start..

 

[kittythehare]

This is Queens
Any of his former contracts located here?
Ever?

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[arielilane]

what am I missing? what was masterfully done?

The arrest of a serial killer. moo

@Derrick gave credit to: "The real work was done by the investigators in that photo!"

 

[arielilane]

Wife of Rex Heuermann living 'nightmare,' battling cancer, lawyer says

Attorneys for Rex Heuermann’s estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, and his two adult children complained police left the home in shambles.

www.courttv.com

last updated 8:13 AM, August 14, 2023

 

[CuriousCricket]

No, wrote all of those by hand way back when jesus was a boy..

I don't like it either and I don't have a clue how to work it or what info it would require to search for a needle in a haystack..
he had access to so many places it would be almost impossible to search each and every one of them.

If we could just get one clue from one survivor...

While chat GPT is great fun, I suspect LE has software that may do the same thing for them. If so, his known locations and relevant information is being or has been entered then "jostled" around for various outcomes. I was going to suggest a spreadsheet, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if a spreadsheet or some other arrangement would be better. I doubt that WSers have enough info to enter to make chat GPT extremely helpful I wonder . . . it'd be interesting to play around with. If you have the time. Great idea. There are other A.I. sites to explore as well.

 

[iamshadow21]

While chat GPT is great fun, I suspect LE has software that may do the same thing for them. If so, his known locations and relevant information is being or has been entered then "jostled" around for various outcomes. I was going to suggest a spreadsheet, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if a spreadsheet or some other arrangement would be better. I doubt that WSers have enough info to enter to make chat GPT extremely helpful I wonder . . . it'd be interesting to play around with. If you have the time. Great idea. There are other A.I. sites to explore as well.

Investigation by AI sounds like a successful lawsuit against LE waiting to happen, to me.

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

IMO, we show some gender bias here. Of course no-one should be actually thinking that AE is likely to have an active involvement in the murders, as the LE has stated that she was out of town when these happened and she has not been named a POI.

However, it is also understandable why people are shocked about the (most likely misleading) "she has not been interviewed" statement by her lawyer. After all, her hair was on the victims. Moreover, awawk it was most likely 3 units of her hair and only 1 unit of RH-s hair. Just imagine if these 3 hairs were of an unknown male friend of RH. Would you be happy if there were no interviews with him, just because there were some old plane tickets for these 3 dates, so topic ended? I don't think I would be happy with that.

If there has not been a complete and thorough interview by LE, I believe there is a good strategic reason. Perhaps we can muse, ponder and wonder why without accusing AE or LE of anything untoward. LE knows lots and lots that we don't. There is much accumulated "possible evidence" pulled from the home and belongings that LE is sifting through before they have a better grasp of the total picture. Building a case is cumulative. LE is doing it's work - very quietly. We don't have enough to have complete understanding of some of the whys. I trust they will get there and who knows where this entire investigation MIGHT go.