Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[girlhasnoname]

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I think we need to see more info about the cell towers to understand the implications more fully. Midtown Manhattan is very busy, and apparently RH's house is within a short distance from the LIRR train station, which would also have traffic. IMO, the evidence, until we know for sure, has to do with LIRR train stop approximate locations, along with Midtown/Penn Station or Port Authority area. I would like to see a map, in future, of the Long Island Pings.
I am not sure why Massapequa/Massapequa Park area has been so heavily focused on. For a second, imagine RH was not apprehended, yet. Why has Babylon/West Babylon area not received more scrutiny? Two of the four Gilgo 4 had ties to those areas right before they disappeared.

MBB: around 59th St. Bridge (Manhattan, going toward LI City/Queens area), then later out by LIE, Islandia, LI
MB: pings corresponding to areas along LIRR routes, and her phone was used corresponding to cell sites in Babylon
MW: Hauppauge, activity in Massapequa Park (again, RH's house is close to train station)
AC: house in West Babylon area

To make matters more confusing, relying just on paperwork (not interviews) since RH's arrest, I want to see an explanation in the future as to why MB's date of disappearance/last seen has been changed on the bail doc. Add to that, none of the burner phones used to contact the victims were known to be owned or operated by RH.

The last trial I watched (Murdaugh) had FBI Specialists that could track phones and their activities (location, off/on, how many feet traveling per minute, etc.) down like nothing I never knew was possible before. It was amazing stuff.

 

[Betty P]

I still stand by what I said, I guess explanations will be at the trial. Thank you for your input, @Betty P

No problem. I like hearing other points of view and theories.

 

[Ruminations]

I think we need to see more info about the cell towers to understand the implications more fully. Midtown Manhattan is very busy, and apparently RH's house is within a short distance from the LIRR train station, which would also have traffic. IMO, the evidence, until we know for sure, has to do with LIRR train stop approximate locations, along with Midtown/Penn Station or Port Authority area. I would like to see a map, in future, of the Long Island Pings.
I am not sure why Massapequa/Massapequa Park area has been so heavily focused on. For a second, imagine RH was not apprehended, yet. Why has Babylon/West Babylon area not received more scrutiny? Two of the four Gilgo 4 had ties to those areas right before they disappeared.

MBB: around 59th St. Bridge (Manhattan, going toward LI City/Queens area), then later out by LIE, Islandia, LI
MB: pings corresponding to areas along LIRR routes, and her phone was used corresponding to cell sites in Babylon
MW: Hauppauge, activity in Massapequa Park (again, RH's house is close to train station)
AC: house in West Babylon area

To make matters more confusing, relying just on paperwork (not interviews) since RH's arrest, I want to see an explanation in the future as to why MB's date of disappearance/last seen has been changed on the bail doc. Add to that, none of the burner phones used to contact the victims were known to be owned or operated by RH.

Wow. Are you expressing skepticism about the burner phone evidence? Because, it looks so tight from the bail documents. I find it highly unlikely there there is a defense against that evidence. Sure others might use the same train stations, but how many of them have their own phone consistently pinging with burner phones/victim phones making dates or making taunting calls? And had a phone make the "reverse commute," shall we say, with Meagan's phone westward to Massepequa Park?

You've been on this case for as long as anyone, BOSE. What do you think is wrong with LE's evidence, putting money on a phone, having his phone travel with the (rotating) burners, pinging with victims? Using his charge card at the same location a burner phone was...

If I were on defense for Rex, (puke) I'd hammer fraud in the past and hope the jury doesn't read that evidence, assuming it was all tainted with SCPD corruption. I wouldn't begin to try to go point by point against it. I'd hate to give it that attention because it's so damning.

MOO

 

[dotr]

Wondering if RH had access to a bomb shelter? fwiw, speculation, imo.

'It's Kind Of Awesome': Family Raves About Cold War-Era Bomb Shelter Under Home

A family on Long Island recently moved into a home with a relic of history right under their feet.

www.cbsnews.com

2018Breaking News from CBS2 - CBS New York
''GREENLAWN, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) -- A family on Long Island recently moved into a home with a relic from a bygone era right under their feet -- a fallout shelter from the Cold War that could house a family of six.''

''Accessible through a secret crawl-through tunnel, they are now the proud owners of a survival shelter, circa 1962.''

''There are actually other bomb shelters built under homes in the Smith's neighborhood, but Scandurra really went all out, essentially building a two-room subterranean apartment.

There are three entrances, including a trap door.''

 

[Momoffourboys]

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann wants home firearms stash handed over to family

Imprisoned Gilgo Beach serial killing suspect Rex Heuermann wants his weapons back. The hulking defendant’s lawyer asked for the return of the more than 280 firearms recovered during a search of the accused predator’s Massapequa…

www.nydailynews.com

 

[Betty P]

Russell Williams’s wife knew he was a predator: victim - Macleans.ca

Lawyer denies new court claim

macleans.ca

I remember, that RW's wife was very interested after the arrest to secure their property for herself or at least one of the homes. Searching for a link, I found nothing, but the news article above.

I recall she had a fairly high ranking job with a very big non-profit. She wasn't an abused wife or anything. Well educated, professional. He had all kinds of "souvenirs" stashed around their homes, he had odd hours, especially towards the end when he was sneaking into so many womens' homes in their neighborhood.

Interesting that, as of 2014, Russell's wife still hadn't finalized a divorce from him. The lawsuit against her by victims of her husband was eventually settled out of court.

 

[Ruminations]

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann wants home firearms stash handed over to family

Imprisoned Gilgo Beach serial killing suspect Rex Heuermann wants his weapons back. The hulking defendant’s lawyer asked for the return of the more than 280 firearms recovered during a search of the accused predator’s Massapequa…

www.nydailynews.com

Does anyone else have a problem with all these attorneys echoing each other?

I'm having a hard time believing the attorneys are each working for their clients' interests, when they all have a coordinated message.

Wwho ever heard of police handing over weapons obtained in a legal search of a home where person accused of three murders and suspected in a fourth were returned? I haven't heard of anything being returned, ever, until LE finished their investigation. But if there is a precedent of returning legally seized evidence, I highly doubt the precedent includes fire arms.

NYS, btw, is NOT a community property state. That means that just because Rex and AE are married, it does not follow that all property belongs to both of them. The usual behavior in a divorce, even uncontested, which this may be, is each party advocates for what is theirs as being theirs. Ethical partners don't want to starve their newly insignificant others, of course, but their lawyer shouldn't let them give away the store, either. I understand that Rex had 90 something permits. Not AE. So those legal guns are very likely more his than hers. The illegal assault weapons shouldn't be anyone's. So, the long guns and antiques that might be unpermitted and legal...who do they belong to? Was AE the hunter? Or the collector?

a judge might say yes. But a judge might say no. And it is weird for the attorneys for both parties to want to sell them off before working that out. Why not put something less controversial on the market? Like the time share or SC property?

While Rex's attorney is for criminal defense, he benefits by making sure Rex gets his equitable share of the marital assets. The more belongs to Rex, the more Rex can pay. So I don't think Rex's lawyer would want to blow off making sure Rex gets his fair share in the divorce. Yet there he is, wanting to sell off Rex's guns.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

Does anyone else have a problem with all these attorneys echoing each other?

No.

I'm having a hard time believing the attorneys are each working for their clients' interests, when they all have a coordinated message.

RH's attorneys represent RH, and it is likely that RH wants AE to be taken care of financially, so his attorney needs to abide by his wishes as his representative.

Wwho ever heard of police handing over weapons obtained in a legal search of a home where person accused of three murders and suspected in a fourth were returned? I haven't heard of anything being returned, ever, until LE finished their investigation. But if there is a precedent of returning legally seized evidence, I highly doubt the precedent includes fire arms.

If items that were seized were later determined to be obtained legallly and legal to own, and not related to evidence in the criminal case, I think the request to the Court for their return is reasonable and that it should be decided by the judge in the case with a hearing with both defense and prosecution making their case. The article posted says that many of the firearms are antiques that were collected by RH's family members (probably his father) and were from the Civil War and WWII. (IIRC from the article posted above.) They probably haven't been used for a long time but could be sold by RH and AE for her care and the care of the children.

After all, she is in dire need of financial assistance for both her medical care and pretty much everything else.

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[Ruminations]

No.

RH's attorneys represent RH, and it is likely that RH wants AE to be taken care of financially, so his attorney needs to abide by his wishes as his representative.

If items that were seized were later determined to be obtained legallly and legal to own, and not related to evidence in the criminal case, I think the request to the Court for their return is reasonable and that it should be decided by the judge in the case with a hearing with both defense and prosecution making their case. The article posted says that many of the firearms are antiques that were collected by RH's family members (probably his father) and were from the Civil War and WWII. (IIRC from the article posted above.) They probably haven't been used for a long time but could be sold by RH and AE for her care and the care of the children.

After all, she is in dire need of financial assistance for both her medical care and pretty much everything else.

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Well then. They shouldn't get divorced. It seems like there is no conflict about the marital assets.

But, if indeed the antiques were inherited by Rex, they would not go to AE in divorce.

Why sell off the guns first? When LE is not finished with them? When the divorce is not final? There are so many assets LE does not have. Like Rex's business, that could be sold. Or the properties in other states? Why not spend the donations?

It is absurd to expect LE to return firearms when a suspect is in custody for murder. Show me one precedent where this has happened . It is absurd to demand to sell off matital assets before a divorce is final. Show me a precedent.

This suspect is being treated typically in terms of search and evidence collection. There is nothing unusual about holding firearms. It is not usual or even ethical to sell off assets that could be non-communal before a separation or divorce agreement is final. There is no reason for this suspect to be treated differently in divorce.

But I don't believe the divorce filing is sincere. IMO, if it were sincere, it would have been filed in Nassau County. Suffolk County is not the appropriate Supreme Court. Neither the plaintiff nor the defendant live there.


MOO

 

[kittythehare]

Well then. They shouldn't get divorced. It seems like there is no conflict about the marital assets.

But, if indeed the antiques were inherited by Rex, they would not go to AE in divorce.

Why sell off the guns first? When LE is not finished with them? When the divorce is not final? There are so many assets LE does not have. Like Rex's business, that could be sold. Or the properties in other states? Why not spend the donations?

It is absurd to expect LE to return firearms when a suspect is in custody for murder. Show me one precedent where this has happened . It is absurd to demand to sell off matital assets before a divorce is final. Show me a precedent.

This suspect is being treated typically in terms of search and evidence collection. There is nothing unusual about holding firearms. It is not usual or even ethical to sell off assets that could be non-communal before a separation or divorce agreement is final. There is no reason for this suspect to be treated differently in divorce.

But I don't believe the divorce filing is sincere. IMO, if it were sincere, it would have been filed in Nassau County. Suffolk County is not the appropriate Supreme Court. Neither the plaintiff nor the defendant live there.


MOO

Has there been a sea change whereby RH is now a loving caring husband and father as opposed to the vicious serial killer he undoubtedly is, allegedly?

Lets go find his lair/ basement/ bomb shelter?
He had access to tons of properties.

 

[hazel324]

Has there been a sea change whereby RH is now a loving caring husband and father as opposed to the vicious serial killer he undoubtedly is, allegedly?

Lets go find his lair/ basement/ bomb shelter?
He had access to tons of properties.

First thing I thought of when seeing the above headlined story of bomb shelter under LI home - kth is looking for something very similar to this!

 

[Betty P]

No.

RH's attorneys represent RH, and it is likely that RH wants AE to be taken care of financially, so his attorney needs to abide by his wishes as his representative.

If items that were seized were later determined to be obtained legallly and legal to own, and not related to evidence in the criminal case, I think the request to the Court for their return is reasonable and that it should be decided by the judge in the case with a hearing with both defense and prosecution making their case. The article posted says that many of the firearms are antiques that were collected by RH's family members (probably his father) and were from the Civil War and WWII. (IIRC from the article posted above.) They probably haven't been used for a long time but could be sold by RH and AE for her care and the care of the children.

After all, she is in dire need of financial assistance for both her medical care and pretty much everything else.

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My concern with this media campaign about Rex Heuermann and his wife can indirectly elicit public sympathy for Rex, himself.

Rex speaking out publicly through his lawyer, pressuring LE to turn over his guns to her just doesn't sound good. He has no right to pressure LE to do anything. He's not being mistreated, he doesn't deserve special favors. The state has a very strong case against him for the torture and murder of 3, possibly 4 innocent women.

His family may suffer some financial problems because, during the years he was free he never bothered to pay taxes, but instead spent his money on his "hobby" of patronizing and stalking sex workers, then killing them. He's the one who failed his family, not the citizens and government of Suffolk County. He needs to shut up. JMO

JMO

 

[Sundog]

My concern with this media campaign about Rex Heuermann and his wife can indirectly elicit public sympathy for Rex, himself.

Rex speaking out publicly through his lawyer, pressuring LE to turn over his guns to her just doesn't sound good. He has no right to pressure LE to do anything. He's not being mistreated, he doesn't deserve special favors. The state has a very strong case against him for the torture and murder of 3, possibly 4 innocent women.

His family may suffer some financial problems because, during the years he was free he never bothered to pay taxes, but instead spent his money on his "hobby" of patronizing and stalking sex workers, then killing them. He's the one who failed his family, not the citizens and government of Suffolk County. He needs to shut up. JMO

JMO

It will be up to the court to decide if the defense's request is approved. If it is not an appropriate request then the judge will rule against it. Defense attorneys file all kinds of motions to help their clients, not all of them are approved by the court. The public's voice will be heard as well, through the prosecution. It will be a fair hearing, IMO.

AE and her adult children are victims and clearly they need finacial assistance and so this effort to acquire and sell the family antique firearms collection is one way they are trying to address the issue. She is not responsible for RH's crimes and financial failures. She has to focus on the situation right now, and what she can do to survive.

I understand your concern, but feeling sympathy for AE is distinct from feeling sympathy for RH, and she should not have to bear the brunt of those in the public who confuse the two.

IMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

*Aren’t the weapons evidence?

The defendant could possibly face gun charges in Nassau County, where Heuermann was a longtime resident. Prosecutors had previously said the weapons cache included some possibly kept illegally in violation of gun laws, with Nassau officials left to decide on any prosecution since the defendant lived in the county.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann wants home firearms stash handed over to family

Imprisoned Gilgo Beach serial killing suspect Rex Heuermann wants his weapons back. The hulking defendant’s lawyer asked for the return of the more than 280 firearms recovered during a search of the accused predator’s Massapequa…

www.nydailynews.com

 

[waldojabba]

Has there been a sea change whereby RH is now a loving caring husband and father as opposed to the vicious serial killer he undoubtedly is, allegedly?

Lets go find his lair/ basement/ bomb shelter?
He had access to tons of properties.

IMO many of these SK's can present as different personalities to different people. BTK called it "cubing" in his interviews Simplistically it's really the same thing as compartmentalizing.

Rex led a secret life. Although we like to think we know that since he was a sadistic serial killer that he was a really punitive husband and father, we really don't know for sure what type of husband and father he was I don't think.

Also as far as I know the divorce is uncontested. We can only make assumptions about their assets. We do know that they had a ot of tax debt from previous threads. The only real estate asset I think he may own free and clear is the vegas time share which I don't think has a high value or big target audience. It's prob just a money suck with all its presumptive fees. The house in Masspq, land in NC , I am betting are either mortgaged to the hilt or have liens on them from the tax debt perhaps.

So in my mind, on their list of assets the $300k ish gun collection has the most value and is the easiest to cash in. Which is not to say that they are not trying to sell other things as well - we just don't have more info to indicate that I don't think. If as stated in the articles, the Suffolk DA petitioned the court to release the guns to Nassau County- that tells me that the guns are not needed as evidence for the case. So what the divorce lawyers are asking is to to skip that step - and return the property to Rex/Asa directly. Maybe the judge decides anything not registered/illegal stays with Nassau the rest back to the family. or something else we will have to wait and see.

What do they need money for - Well first of all, those lawyers don't pay themselves - and we have exhaustively been over what medical could cost etc.

Unraveling that business is another abysmal mess I think. What is there to sell? The value of the business was based on Rex's expertise to ferret out the obscure loopholes in the codes etc. to get difficult real estate/construction approvals. Depending on whether Rex was incorporated/signed for everything personally or how his business was structured, the family may still be on the hook for the lease on the office space, office equipment - and I think a few claims of employees not being paid and who knows what else. Someone - perhaps another lawyer -needs to be paid to unravel all that - maybe even to file bankruptcy for the biz or something to dismiss that debt.

So bottom line I don't find anything nefarious in the two lawyers being in lock step on asking for the guns - the lawyers prob want to be paid - they prob all want a good chunk of change$$$ on account, they are doing their jobs and the parties seemingly have agreed. ALL JMO

 

[waldojabba]

*Aren’t the weapons evidence?

The defendant could possibly face gun charges in Nassau County, where Heuermann was a longtime resident. Prosecutors had previously said the weapons cache included some possibly kept illegally in violation of gun laws, with Nassau officials left to decide on any prosecution since the defendant lived in the county.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann wants home firearms stash handed over to family

Imprisoned Gilgo Beach serial killing suspect Rex Heuermann wants his weapons back. The hulking defendant’s lawyer asked for the return of the more than 280 firearms recovered during a search of the accused predator’s Massapequa…

www.nydailynews.com

it doesn't seem so IMO

edit to add:
"Prosecutors are trying to get the guns handed over to Nassau County cops.
But no guns are believed to have been used in the deaths of the Gilgo Beach victims, Megan Waterman, 22, Melissa Barthelemy, 24, and Amber Lynn Costello, 27."

Rex Heuermann’s estranged wife wants his guns, worth ‘hundreds of thousands of dollars,’ back, lawyer says

The estranged wife of accused Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann is seeking to get all of his legally-owned guns returned to her, arguing they are “marital property” worth “hundreds of thousan…

nypost.com

 

[Sundog]

it doesn't seem so IMO

Agree. IIRC, Suffolk County prosecutor's office was planning on turning the firearms over to Nassau County for them to file charges related to any of the firearms that weren't legally registered.

 

[Betty P]

It will be up to the court to decide if the defense's request is approved. If it is not an appropriate request then the judge will rule against it. Defense attorneys file all kinds of motions to help their clients, not all of them are approved by the court. The public's voice will be heard as well, through the prosecution. It will be a fair hearing, IMO.

AE and her adult children are victims and clearly they need finacial assistance and so this effort to acquire and sell the family antique firearms collection is one way they are trying to address the issue. She is not responsible for RH's crimes and financial failures. She has to focus on the situation right now, and what she can do to survive.

I understand your concern, but feeling sympathy for AE is distinct from feeling sympathy for RH, and she should not have to bear the brunt of those in the public who confuse the two.

IMO

I have no doubt a judge will make a fair decision for the wife and adult children. But the serial killer, Rex Heuermann, has no right to go to the national news media with his demands. If he wants to help his family, he should zip it. His sense of entitlement and show of bravado are highly inappropriate , given his situation. JMO

 

[Ruminations]

it doesn't seem so IMO

edit to add:
"Prosecutors are trying to get the guns handed over to Nassau County cops.
But no guns are believed to have been used in the deaths of the Gilgo Beach victims, Megan Waterman, 22, Melissa Barthelemy, 24, and Amber Lynn Costello, 27."

Rex Heuermann’s estranged wife wants his guns, worth ‘hundreds of thousands of dollars,’ back, lawyer says

The estranged wife of accused Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann is seeking to get all of his legally-owned guns returned to her, arguing they are “marital property” worth “hundreds of thousan…

nypost.com

You believe that for real?

We all know that LE doesn't tell all, or even tell the truth at all times.

Look at Shannan Gilbert. As far as I know, Rex isn't suspected in her murder.But someone murdered her.

But LE keeps claiming it looks like an accident, while holding information close and claiming it can't be released because of an on going investigation. They bookmarked their release of the 911 tapes with a speech by the sheriff saying he is only releasing it because his detectives say it won't harm their investigation, and reissuing the tip line info.

There is no way to know for sure if this statement about the weapons is true in regards to the Gilgo Beach 4. They could be saying that to not tip Rex off about a potential charge until the Grand Jury reviews it, or something. In addition to the GB4, we don't know what investigations are going on regarding the newly identified Karen Vergata, or the soon to be identified Peaches and Peaches Jr. Or even out of state victims.

once again, even if not directly related to the charged crime, I have never heard of a person incarcerated, recently searched, having had fire arms brought in because of the search, getting them back before the investigation is even over.

Rex is not the first criminal who caused those close to them upheaval.

For whatever reason, not only is Rex's attorney defending him, but his wife's attorney is too...by trying to turn Rex into the victim.

Personally, I'm far more concerned with justice for the GB-4 than this manipulative narrative.

To be clear: The lawyers don't want the guns to sell. They know it won't happen. They want to whine about it to imply that LE is wrong, even when it is clear this is business as usual by LE for a suspect/defendant of murder. They want you to think of Rex as some poor soul who was forced to stop providing for his family rather than as someone charged with painfully snuffing out lives of people who matter every bit as much as his daughter.

I'm just not that easily manipulate. I see what they are trying to do, and I won't be distracted from seeking justice for the people it he is charged with, or suspected of, murdering.

And it is not clear that Rex has been a family provider all along. Who keeps hundreds of thousands of dollars of guns in a vault while their wife is using a SNAP card? This was I think the point Kittyhare was alluding to. That can't be explained by compartmentalization and charm. Dude was letting his family suffer from food insecurity so he could have like 30 guns for each of his fingers.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

You believe that for real?

We all know that LE doesn't tell all, or even tell the truth at all times.

Look at Shannan Gilbert. As far as I know, Rex isn't suspected in her murder.But someone murdered her.

But LE keeps claiming it looks like an accident, while holding information close and claiming it can't be released because of an on going investigation. They bookmarked their release of the 911 tapes with a speech by the sheriff saying he is only releasing it because his detectives say it won't harm their investigation, and reissuing the tip line info.

There is no way to know for sure if this statement about the weapons is true in regards to the Gilgo Beach 4. They could be saying that to not tip Rex off about a potential charge until the Grand Jury reviews it, or something. In addition to the GB4, we don't know what investigations are going on regarding the newly identified Karen Vergata, or the soon to be identified Peaches and Peaches Jr. Or even out of state victims.

once again, even if not directly related to the charged crime, I have never heard of a person incarcerated, recently searched, having had fire arms brought in because of the search, getting them back before the investigation is even over.

Rex is not the first criminal who caused those close to them upheaval.

For whatever reason, not only is Rex's attorney defending him, but his wife's attorney is too...by trying to turn Rex into the victim.

Personally, I'm far more concerned with justice for the GB-4 than this manipulative narrative.

To be clear: The lawyers don't want the guns to sell. They know it won't happen. They want to whine about it to imply that LE is wrong, even when it is clear this is business as usual by LE for a suspect/defendant of murder. They want you to think of Rex as some poor soul who was forced to stop providing for his family rather than as someone charged with painfully snuffing out lives of people who matter every bit as much as his daughter.

I'm just not that easily manipulate. I see what they are trying to do, and I won't be distracted from seeking justice for the people it he is charged with, or suspected of, murdering.

And it is not clear that Rex has been a family provider all along. Who keeps hundreds of thousands of dollars of guns in a vault while their wife is using a SNAP card? This was I think the point Kittyhare was alluding to. That can't be explained by compartmentalization and charm. Dude was letting his family suffer from food insecurity so he could have like 30 guns for each of his fingers.

MOO

Yes, LE in Nevada and SC are still investigating Rex's possible involvement in the murders of other women.

Las Vegas police to test Rex Heuermann’s DNA for possible connection to NJ mom’s murder

Victoria Camara, 17, was found dead outside of Las Vegas in August 2003.

nypost.com

‘A strong conviction’: 20 years after slaying, hope for answers emerges

Jodi Brewer’s family and friends think her unsolved 2003 slaying could be connected to Rex Heuermann.

www.reviewjournal.com

Missing South Carolina woman may have met with Gilgo Beach murders suspect, authorities say

A woman missing since 2017 may have met with Rex Heuermann, her daughter told the Sumter County Sheriff's Office.

www.usatoday.com