Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Izzylizzy]

She called her dad “FROM” jail on 14 Feb (we don’t know if jail records confirm that she was calling from jail, or is she telling her dad she was calling from jail. People do make excuses …)
That’s the last known contact with a confirmed date that is verifiable - it doesn’t mean that she died on 14th, or next few days. It’s possible, but it’s not confirmation that 14 Feb is her date of death an “anniversary”. NY Police, at the time, don’t know if it’s still policy, would not issue a “missing person” for someone who has warrant or due to appear in court. They didn’t consider those people missing, rather evading LE and courts.
It would be interesting to know who posted bail for her (if there was bail), what day/time she was released. That should be documented and there is no indication as to why police haven’t confirmed it. Maybe no one has asked police, or she wasn’t in jail on 14 Feb)
Feb 14 is her last verifiable contact with her family. That’s what it is according to the APNews.

Imagine if Karen was jailed on 2/14/96 and it was the swinger's bf, the NYC narc who bailed out Karen then picked her up when she was released.
The part in the swinger's affidavit where she talks about the swingers club and Rex's phone number on the wall I find wanting.
I don't see her and bf and maybe Karen at that point in the evening going to the sex club then seeing his number then calling and then driving to his house.
Why go through all that when sex was right before their eyes in the club, that is if the bf didn't already know Rex and his supposed phone number on the wall had zilch to do with that Feb. night?

John Ray's affidavit could have been more specific in certain areas even though he said he used the witnesses words.
I feel that for Harrison to have been present and taking questions that his interview with the cab driver and his detectives interview with the swinger must have borne some fruit.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Imagine if Karen was jailed on 2/14/96 and it was the swinger's bf, the NYC narc who bailed out Karen then picked her up when she was released.

I had the same thought. That the narc new Karen from the streets, and knew she was being let out of jail on that day, and decided to pick her up to take to RH and AE's home specifically for sex and he may have even known that Rex wanted the girl for other purposes - like playing a game as he called it when the gf saw her run outside naked and afraid. And if Karen had told her father she was scared, maybe she knew she was going to be used in this way before she even got there. That girl was trying to get away from that evil home that night when she ran outside naked imo. And nobody helped her. But this former gf is speaking up today because it's haunted her all these years. MOO.

 

[Ruminations]

Imagine if Karen was jailed on 2/14/96 and it was the swinger's bf, the NYC narc who bailed out Karen then picked her up when she was released.
The part in the swinger's affidavit where she talks about the swingers club and Rex's phone number on the wall I find wanting.
I don't see her and bf and maybe Karen at that point in the evening going to the sex club then seeing his number then calling and then driving to his house.
Why go through all that when sex was right before their eyes in the club, that is if the bf didn't already know Rex and his supposed phone number on the wall had zilch to do with that Feb. night?

John Ray's affidavit could have been more specific in certain areas even though he said he used the witnesses words.
I feel that for Harrison to have been present and taking questions that his interview with the cab driver and his detectives interview with the swinger must have borne some fruit.

Yes. The report of the narc driving to Rex's home in one car and from it in another, plus the unclear details about where Karen was picked up and when are a bit frustrating.

But it is credible to me that the swingers partner was calling the shots on the date, taking his partner out and showing her a good time ( which it appears it was not for her) and she went with the flow. That is not unusual. It's a typical traditional division of labor on a date.

I would so love to hear the narc swinger's insights, although I almost certainly will not. He seems to have delivered an assault victim to a perp's house, and, even if he did not participate in the assault or anticipate it, he appears to have left the scene while it was in process. I'd say he's claiming the 5th unless he gets a deal and turns states witness.

MOO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I had the same thought. That the narc new Karen from the streets, and knew she was being let out of jail on that day, and decided to pick her up to take to RH and AE's home specifically for sex and he may have even known that Rex wanted the girl for other purposes - like playing a game as he called it when the gf saw her run outside naked and afraid. And if Karen had told her father she was scared, maybe she knew she was going to be used in this way before she even got there. That girl was trying to get away from that evil home that night when she ran outside naked imo. And nobody helped her. But this former gf is speaking up today because it's haunted her all these years. MOO.

John Ray said at the presser that they know who the bf is.
That remains to be seen.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

And on this theme - who better that would know the ‘working girls’ in the area than local authorities and beat cops there?

One sure has to hope that authorities finally get to the bottom and root situation and perpetrators on all of these tragic cases. MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

"Asa has now filed for divorce. Her attorney Robert Macedonio and legal team member Ginenne Pugliese say she always look at her husband as “her hero” until the day he was arrested.

Pugliese explained, “He saved her out of a difficult situation in her first marriage. He was the best thing for her at the time and that was what their marriage was based on.”

Melissa Moore Recalls What She Saw in Rex Heuermann’s Disturbing Vault

In July, Rex Heuermann, who has been accused of being the Gilgo Beach Killer, was charged with the murders of Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman and Amber Costello.

extratv.com

 

[Baby baby Jane]

But what if, the swinger’s detective BF is the one who killed Vergata with his belt (the one he left behind) and Swinger is getting ahead of RH possible talking. She is finally speaking out to alibi her “handsome” “I loved him” detective.

 

[Izzylizzy]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed>
The link I posted with the quotes on Asa's first marriage and Rex was dated Sept.8,2023.

I think all the info in the swinger's affidavit (except for Karen being or not released from jail on /around 2-14-1996) was already public info.
???

 

[Izzylizzy]

But what if, the swinger’s detective BF is the one who killed Vergata with his belt (the one he left behind) and Swinger is getting ahead of RH possible talking. She is finally speaking out to alibi her “handsome” “I loved him” detective.

I like your creative thinking.
Anything is possible and this is a real good one,his belt whether he/Rex or anyone else killed her or not with it.


Imo The swinger may have cracked the Karen Regata murder or is a blatant liar needing attention.

 

[Izzylizzy]

But what if, the swinger’s detective BF is the one who killed Vergata with his belt (the one he left behind) and Swinger is getting ahead of RH possible talking. She is finally speaking out to alibi her “handsome” “I loved him” detective.

I went back to read the swinger's affidavit and her bf's belt.
She didn't say whether bf retrieved the belt of not.
She says nothing about the woman she believed to be Karen just got out of jail.

Then this:
"she told me to words of the effect that Rex brought her from her country".
Asa was born in the US, Long Island to be exact.

Lorraine Poe redacted_affidavit_2.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[Ruminations]

But what if, the swinger’s detective BF is the one who killed Vergata with his belt (the one he left behind) and Swinger is getting ahead of RH possible talking. She is finally speaking out to alibi her “handsome” “I loved him” detective.

As I understand it, Karen was alive, afraid, running naked when the swinging narc and the witness left with the belt. Or left after looking for it.

MOO

Edited to add, I just reread your post.

No, that is highly unlikely. I believe she felt bad being caught up in something and realizing how bad it was when she saw Rex and Vergata news clips.

I don't believe at all she was alibiing a loved one. She placed him at the scene, and implicated him in leaving mid-murder. She opened the door to wonder if he set Karen up, or participated in torturing her. She did him no favors.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I went back to read the swinger's affidavit and her bf's belt.
She didn't say whether bf retrieved the belt of not.
She says nothing about the woman she believed to be Karen just got out of jail.

Then this:
"she told me to words of the effect that Rex brought her from her country".
Asa was born in the US, Long Island to be exact.

Lorraine Poe redacted_affidavit_2.pdf

drive.google.com

<modsnip: off topic>

Obviously, it is not true that Rex brought Asa from Iceland. It doesn't mean she Asa didn't say so.

It appears to be a consistent theme emerging that Asa told acquaintances that she owes Rex everything.

Maybe she was trying to answer the explicit or implicit question, "Why are you with that Ogre?" Maybe, if she was talking to someone she wasn't likely to see again, she just made up a narrative as to what he did to make her indebted to him.



MOO

 

[Ruminations]

John Ray said at the presser that they know who the bf is.
That remains to be seen.

There is no reason to doubt that John Ray knows who the bf is, as does Ray Harrison and the whole task force.

The only thing that remains to be seen is if the public will ever know.

MOO

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Spousal privilege is simply irrelevant in this case. There is no point in mentioning it except to discourage people from turning to Asa as a witness.

I think the person who first asked about this wasn't trying to affect whether or not someone would be a witness. I doubt my response/posting the information/links to NY law alerted any attorneys, especially not the prosecutors, to the existence of the laws. There is no motive involved in discussing this, it would be useless to think I could influence anything.
I certainly don't wish to discuss this further.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I went back to read the swinger's affidavit and her bf's belt.
She didn't say whether bf retrieved the belt of not.
She says nothing about the woman she believed to be Karen just got out of jail.

Then this:
"she told me to words of the effect that Rex brought her from her country".
Asa was born in the US, Long Island to be exact.

Lorraine Poe redacted_affidavit_2.pdf

drive.google.com

Just because AE may have said it doesn't mean she was being truthful though. Maybe she's into telling tall tales for all we know.

I have my theory about the comment the gf heard her say, but it got deleted because we're not allowed to talk about it.

MOO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

But what if, the swinger’s detective BF is the one who killed Vergata with his belt (the one he left behind) and Swinger is getting ahead of RH possible talking. She is finally speaking out to alibi her “handsome” “I loved him” detective.

I think had that been the case, she would have came up with a much better alibi than placing the bf at the scene of a possible crime. Do you think the belt they found on one of the victims was this narc's belt that he possibly left behind?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Plausible, especially if the image had contact info.

creep her out under one name, then call her up and bring her an envelope of cut paper "no matter what happens," the next.

It is emerging that Rex follows up when he feels someone has done him wrong. I could see him getting angry that a SW wouldn't put up with his being an A-hole, and then recontacting pretending to be nice as a new person to get back at her.

However, it also emerged that he had a fairly long term sex buyer-SW relationship where he was friendly and apparently not abusive over a period of time. And, while his employee whom he stalked on vacay was retrospectively creeped out, it sounds like she had a good enough employee-boss relationship with him that lasted.

Still, overall, Rex does not seem to be a consistent "nice guy" persona when not killing. He seems pretty out as an entitled, vengeful and vile man when not murdering. Just like his brother, who AFAIK has "only" killed recklessly.

MOO

I agree with everything you've mentioned here. Especially the part about Rex having to get even when he feels someone did him wrong. I think he'd act out if someone rejected him somehow, and then could see him pretending to be a new client to trick them into meeting him another time, only to murder them. MOO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Anyone else kinda stunned that Asa's lawyer Macedonio said this?

Curious if he already had shared his opinion with Asa of just how her hairs got on the remains of 2 victims that her husband is now charged with killing?

Talk about throwing Rex under the bus.

"Her DNA has been confirmed as matching hairs found on the burlap that victims were wrapped in, a law enforcement source told ABC.

Ellerup’s lawyer, Robert Macedonio, told The Post Thursday that her DNA being found on the scene is “nothing new” and that it was more than likely from a “hair transfer inside the house.”

Suspect Rex Heuermann’s estranged wife’s cheek swab matches DNA found on victims: report

A cheek swab was taken from Asa Ellerup on the night her husband was arrested. That sample now matches the DNA found on hair strands on the victims.

nypost.com

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Anyone else kinda stunned that Asa's lawyer Macedonio said this?

Curious if he already had shared his opinion with Asa of just how her hairs got on the remains of 2 victims that her husband is now charged with killing?

Talk about throwing Rex under the bus.

"Her DNA has been confirmed as matching hairs found on the burlap that victims were wrapped in, a law enforcement source told ABC.

Ellerup’s lawyer, Robert Macedonio, told The Post Thursday that her DNA being found on the scene is “nothing new” and that it was more than likely from a “hair transfer inside the house.”

Suspect Rex Heuermann’s estranged wife’s cheek swab matches DNA found on victims: report

A cheek swab was taken from Asa Ellerup on the night her husband was arrested. That sample now matches the DNA found on hair strands on the victims.

nypost.com

Hasn't this been put forth since July 15, 2023?

"Suffolk County police said four female hairs later tied to Heuermann’s wife were found on the bodies of three victims discovered at Gilgo Beach in December 2010."
"Heuermann’s wife was out of state when he allegedly committed the murders, according to Suffolk District Attorney Raymond Tierney. But the DNA of Heuermann’s wife could have been on the suspect’s clothing or in household items he allegedly used, like tape."

Wife’s DNA on the bodies found at Gilgo Beach led to arrest of Rex Heuermann

MASSAPEQUA PARK, N.Y. (PIX11) — Even though architect Rex Heuermann allegedly used “burner” phones to set up dates with sex workers before they turned up dead, he may not have banked on…

pix11.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Hasn't this been put forth since July 15, 2023?

"Suffolk County police said four female hairs later tied to Heuermann’s wife were found on the bodies of three victims discovered at Gilgo Beach in December 2010."
"Heuermann’s wife was out of state when he allegedly committed the murders, according to Suffolk District Attorney Raymond Tierney. But the DNA of Heuermann’s wife could have been on the suspect’s clothing or in household items he allegedly used, like tape."

Wife’s DNA on the bodies found at Gilgo Beach led to arrest of Rex Heuermann

MASSAPEQUA PARK, N.Y. (PIX11) — Even though architect Rex Heuermann allegedly used “burner” phones to set up dates with sex workers before they turned up dead, he may not have banked on…

pix11.com

Hearing Suffolk police say it and hearing Asa's lawyer say it is apples & oranges.
By Macedonio saying it he's 99.9% agreeing with the police that yes, his client Asa Ellerup's husband is the killer of 2 of the victims.