Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Betty P]

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All the Task Force needs to do is interview witnesses calling in with tips, then verify their information. It will take some work, but in times of common use of credit cards, cell phones, etc., they should be able to compile sufficient evidence to support the tips. It’s not impossible, and it could help solve these murders. There are still a few victims whose killer hasn’t been identified.

 

[sds71]

“I took pride in being the police commissioner of Suffolk County,” Harrison said during an interview earlier this month with Newsday.

Lou Civello, the president of the Suffolk Police Benevolent Association, said Harrison did an “excellent job” as commissioner.

Harrison tendered his resignation to County Executive Steve Bellone on Nov. 3, almost two years after he succeeded Geraldine Hart as commissioner following a 30-year career with the NYPD.

Harrison was the only person in NYPD history to rise from cadet to chief of department. He also served as the NYPD’s chief of patrol and chief of detectives.

Harrison said earlier this month that his departure is “bittersweet” because while it gives him the opportunity to spend time with his family, he will miss the hustle and bustle of police work. He did not rule out a return to law enforcement, but he said he was eager to spend time with his new grandson. He’s also eager to watch his daughter, Baldwin High School standout Kaia Harrison, play college basketball at Wake Forest.

“There is no better feeling seeing your kid playing high-level sports against the best players in the country,” Harrison said.

Harrison said he is writing a book that will detail his work as chief of patrol and chief of detectives and years on the street with the NYPD.

The book will not discuss Harrison’s role in the Gilgo Beach investigation, he said, because he did not want to compromise Tierney’s prosecution.

Rodney Harrison's term as Suffolk County police commissioner officially over

His two-year tenure included the arrest of a suspect in the Gilgo Beach murders 13 years after the bodies of four women were discovered off Ocean Parkway.

www.newsday.com

 

[Forest_Wood]

“I took pride in being the police commissioner of Suffolk County,” Harrison said during an interview earlier this month with Newsday.

Lou Civello, the president of the Suffolk Police Benevolent Association, said Harrison did an “excellent job” as commissioner.

Harrison tendered his resignation to County Executive Steve Bellone on Nov. 3, almost two years after he succeeded Geraldine Hart as commissioner following a 30-year career with the NYPD.

Harrison was the only person in NYPD history to rise from cadet to chief of department. He also served as the NYPD’s chief of patrol and chief of detectives.

Harrison said earlier this month that his departure is “bittersweet” because while it gives him the opportunity to spend time with his family, he will miss the hustle and bustle of police work. He did not rule out a return to law enforcement, but he said he was eager to spend time with his new grandson. He’s also eager to watch his daughter, Baldwin High School standout Kaia Harrison, play college basketball at Wake Forest.

“There is no better feeling seeing your kid playing high-level sports against the best players in the country,” Harrison said.

Harrison said he is writing a book that will detail his work as chief of patrol and chief of detectives and years on the street with the NYPD.

The book will not discuss Harrison’s role in the Gilgo Beach investigation, he said, because he did not want to compromise Tierney’s prosecution.

Rodney Harrison's term as Suffolk County police commissioner officially over

His two-year tenure included the arrest of a suspect in the Gilgo Beach murders 13 years after the bodies of four women were discovered off Ocean Parkway.

www.newsday.com

I can't help but respect Commissioner Harrison. He just seems like a quality person all around, both in his profession and in his personal life. He stands out above the rest of the players in this investigation.
IMO.

 

[snarast]

What is the difference between swinging, swapping and BDSM? What percentage of mainstream adults participate in these activities? It's the kind of lifestyle that would be foreign to most people I would think. I wonder what he meant by "have consequences". MOO.

I think its important to note that this is not about the aesthetically pleasng 50 shades of grey - it’s a whole lot of brown. So - things that most people abhor. What would a sadist think was amusing to see another human being do for money and how would he go about making that happen? That’s the pro league of BDSM.

And it doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see how swinger parties with prostitutes turns out to be as far from eyes wide shut as you can imagine.

 

[Forest_Wood]

What would a sadist think was amusing to see another human being do for money and how would he go about making that happen?

You hit the nail on the head! I think your comment sums up what this investigation is about. What a sadist would do to another human being, particularly one he is supposed to be paying like you say, is at the core of this case.

 

[girlhasnoname]

The so called "sworn testimony' has not yet been announced as being reliable. To me, that's not relevant to Ray's assessment of those who participate in sexual activity with other consenting adults, with or without their partners.
I would suggest you research upside-down pineapples and read some about law-abiding, not sexually deviant, couples and singles.

Ray's blaming these activities for having any part in RH being a sexual predator is wrong and contrary to any known research on sexual development and violence merging in the brain.

Traumatic events in childhood and during puberty can have a profound effect on the developing brain.

From one article:
"Data from previously conducted interviews, serial killers’ manifestos, and historical records were used to conduct a comparative analysis of the behaviors, techniques, and identification signatures of serial killers. Data were coded and categorized to identify the relationship between sexual fantasies and violent behavior. Results indicated that serial killers base their signatures and modus operandi on sexual fantasies developed through childhood traumatic experiences. Findings may be used to improve the profiling of suspects and mitigate the threat of serial killers’ violent behavior resulting in positive social change."

From Peter Vronsky, author, historian, SK researcher
"And often that capacity is grafted onto a sexual impulse – aggression sexualized at puberty."

Factors That Influence Violence and Homicidal Ideation Among Serial Offenders

Many studies have been conducted to identify sources of violence in serial killers, including environmental, biological, and mental disposition factors. However, serial killers’ sexual fantasies had not been explored. The purpose of this qualitative descriptive phenomenological study was to...

scholarworks.waldenu.edu

What makes a serial killer?

The author of a new book explores why some people become killers, and others don’t

www.theguardian.com

And sometimes you get people who are just pure evil regardless of nature or nurture IMO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Lawmakers push to amend Son of Sam laws after Heuermann's estranged wife reportedly paid seven figures by Peacock documentary

Two new bills aim to amend New York's Son of Sam law to prevent family members of defendants from profiting off crimes.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Lawmakers push to amend Son of Sam laws after Heuermann's estranged wife reportedly paid seven figures by Peacock documentary

Two new bills aim to amend New York's Son of Sam law to prevent family members of defendants from profiting off crimes.

www.cbsnews.com

I'd be worried about the wording of this, because I think it could potentially prevent, say, incest victims from writing books about their experiences.

Also, I think there would be a loss of something in the field of writing about true crime if family members were disallowed from contributing. One of the best books I read this year was Mikal Gilmore's book, Shot in the Heart, about his experience being Gary Gilmore's little brother. Under these laws, that book wouldn't be allowed to exist.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I'd be worried about the wording of this, because I think it could potentially prevent, say, incest victims from writing books about their experiences.

Also, I think there would be a loss of something in the field of writing about true crime if family members were disallowed from contributing. One of the best books I read this year was Mikal Gilmore's book, Shot in the Heart, about his experience being Gary Gilmore's little brother. Under these laws, that book wouldn't be allowed to exist.

MOO

Why couldn't they still write their book or be a part of documentaries? So long as they don't profit from the proceeds.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Lawmakers push to amend Son of Sam laws after Heuermann's estranged wife reportedly paid seven figures by Peacock documentary

Two new bills aim to amend New York's Son of Sam law to prevent family members of defendants from profiting off crimes.

www.cbsnews.com

From this article, I had to look up the meaning of ghoul.

 

[iamshadow21]

Why couldn't they still write their book or be a part of documentaries? So long as they don't profit from the proceeds.

That seems like stifling free speech and punishing people who had absolutely nothing to do with the crimes, IMO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

That seems like stifling free speech and punishing people who had absolutely nothing to do with the crimes, IMO.

How is it punishing people though? If they want to write a book, then go ahead, write a book, tell the world their story, which can be very healing. But why should they profit from sharing their thoughts, ideas or experiences about someone else's crimes? It's gruesome, repugnant, unfair, imo. This is my opinion and you may think it's fair game for people to profit off of crime. I do not agree and I applaud this politician for trying to make a change to a toxic system. MOO.

 

[iamshadow21]

How is it punishing people though? If they want to write a book, then go ahead, write a book, tell the world their story, which can be very healing. But why should they profit from sharing their thoughts, ideas or experiences about someone else's crimes? It's gruesome, repugnant, unfair, imo. This is my opinion and you may think it's fair game for people to profit off of crime. I do not agree and I applaud this politician for trying to make a change to a toxic system. MOO.

A scenario:

As a victim of crime committed by an acquaintance or a stranger, I could write my story, and the profits from that book could be mine. I could use them however I wished.

But if the person who committed that crime against me is a family member, I am not allowed to get those profits. They have to be given away, even though I am every bit as much a victim as the person in the first scenario.

That is the problem I see potentially arising from this law, should it go through.

MOO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I am happy to see the proposed rules/regulations and attempt to control the ability to take advantage or earn monies/profit from such tragic events. And I don’t disagree that it should not punish a true victim. In this particular case, there seem to be many questions as to motivations and involvement with the apparent ‘docu-drama’.

But at the same time, look at the complications that have arisen in the State of SC with the Alex Murdaugh double murder case in which a public official worked on and published a book in the closing days of that case. MOO

 

[WINDSOR]

How is it punishing people though? If they want to write a book, then go ahead, write a book, tell the world their story, which can be very healing. But why should they profit from sharing their thoughts, ideas or experiences about someone else's crimes? It's gruesome, repugnant, unfair, imo. This is my opinion and you may think it's fair game for people to profit off of crime. I do not agree and I applaud this politician for trying to make a change to a toxic system. MOO.

I enjoy 'true crime' books TV shows and films. In the book written by Truman Capote, and the movie based on the book, writers, authors, publishers, producers, actors and many others profited on someone else's crimes.

I believe there are laws already in existence preventing the convicted criminal from financially benefiting from their crime. MOO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

A scenario:

As a victim of crime committed by an acquaintance or a stranger, I could write my story, and the profits from that book could be mine. I could use them however I wished.

But if the person who committed that crime against me is a family member, I am not allowed to get those profits. They have to be given away, even though I am every bit as much a victim as the person in the first scenario.

This proposed law, has good intentions, feels right, but doesn’t divert funds to victims, just might shift more profits to media firms who can profit from story but are blocked from paying certain sources.
Public loves a true crime (Dahmer on Netflix story huge global audience). The story will spin millions for many many content creators, advertisers & subscribers will pay … and somehow the ire is focused on AE, and she is called a ghoul? We, the consumers, are the ghouls (a person morbidly interested in death or disaster). JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

I'd be worried about the wording of this, because I think it could potentially prevent, say, incest victims from writing books about their experiences.

Also, I think there would be a loss of something in the field of writing about true crime if family members were disallowed from contributing. One of the best books I read this year was Mikal Gilmore's book, Shot in the Heart, about his experience being Gary Gilmore's little brother. Under these laws, that book wouldn't be allowed to exist.

MOO

I agree and it appears that they didn't think this through.
By Asa signing with Peacock now and financially profiting from whatever her role is instead of waiting for the trial/plea deal to be over is what probably triggered the want to change the SOS laws.
Do you know the timeline when Mikal's book was published?

 

[Betty P]

I'd be worried about the wording of this, because I think it could potentially prevent, say, incest victims from writing books about their experiences.

Also, I think there would be a loss of something in the field of writing about true crime if family members were disallowed from contributing. One of the best books I read this year was Mikal Gilmore's book, Shot in the Heart, about his experience being Gary Gilmore's little brother. Under these laws, that book wouldn't be allowed to exist.

MOO

The wording of the bill I linked to requires the profits be reported to the state's victim assistance fund. Assume they will have a say in who gets the money in each situation.

 

[iamshadow21]

I agree and it appears that they didn't think this through.
By Asa signing with Peacock now and financially profiting from whatever her role is instead of waiting for the trial/plea deal to be over is what probably triggered the want to change the SOS laws.
Do you know the timeline when Mikal's book was published?

Mikal published his book in 1994. Gary Gilmore was executed in '77.

 

[Betty P]

Here's a link to the page in the Son of Sam legislation that will be amended. This is just one page of the Son of Sam law. The description of media companies is referring to the entities who must contact the state victims assistance organization. The recipient and use of funds is described in a different section of the Son of Sam law.

Current NY Senate Bill # S7774

https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2023/S7774

Wikipedia page re Son of Sam Laws

Son of Sam law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There have been changes to the law over the years due to court challenges. But I believe it's set up so that, if profits are covered by the Son of Sam law, the a state agency plays a role in how the income for a convict is distributed.