Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Izzylizzy]

'There must be at least two parties to the contract, both of which must have the capacity to enter into the agreement; that is, each party must understand what he or she is entering into and the consequences of doing so. If a person who does not have this capacity signs the agreement, it may be voided.

Mental Capacity and Contracts - AMA Journal of Ethics​

American Medical Association
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org › article › mental-ca...


'Heuermann’s wife, Asa Ellerup, 59, returned to pick up the pieces with her devastated kids, who’d “cry themselves to sleep,” she said, adding that Christopher, who has developmental disabilities, has been

“so distraught and doesn’t understand.”
Read more at:A SERIAL KILLER IN THE FAMILY

 

[snooptroop88]

This is an ongoing investigation and I hear them commenting quite a bit that this is "only the beginning." Has anyone considered what's going to happen if RH committed (at least) one of his murders in a death penalty state?

 

[Izzylizzy]

This is an ongoing investigation and I hear them commenting quite a bit that this is "only the beginning." Has anyone considered what's going to happen if RH committed (at least) one of his murders in a death penalty state?

Alabama, Arizona, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas.

 

[Ruminations]

If CH does have a guardian then he is not "like everyone else".
He would be like others who also have guardians, people who are there to prevent "mistakes,poor choices".
As I stated earlier that imo: if CH does have a guardian and it's Asa, I see that as a conflict of interest.

I think you are both right. Everybody has a right to make their own decisions with autonomy, without regard to ability levels.

But nobody has the right to take advantage of others because of different ability levels, different access to information, etc.

So the question becomes was this poor choice an autonomous poor choice, or was it a situation where a person with different abilities was abused?

I speculate that the Macedonio/Mitov plan all along was to defend Rex and protect others involved in depraved activities, and to monetize this horror. Part of that may have been setting up a guardianship for C.

We don't know, but it does seem plausible that C. was taken advantage of.

MOO

 

[FromGermany1]

When the abnormal becomes normal to children which can entail an enabling spouse.
John Ray said in his video that I posted earlier that RH's brother and partner had lived with them, he didn't say when or for how long, maybe he'll expand on it at his symposium?

His point was their house was small and how did anyone not notice RH's demonic interests?

To me Asa went from out of the frying pan to the fire when she hooked up with Macedonio & Co.

bbm

 

[Forest_Wood]

Here's John Ray after the Peacock deal was made public.
His most recent or one of his most recent appearances.
@ 5:12 check this out if you don't want to listen to video.

John Ray makes a lot of sense. He asks good questions. I trust his judgement. Why would others want to silence him? MOO.

 

[x_files]

I don’t know what to think about AE and her alleged or rumored levels of knowledge and/or participation — but those poor children. Wish they could move to a nice cozy and well maintained, clean bungalow out in Oceanside or Rockville Centre, bringing just essential furniture and things they love, to get out of the mess and a home with now totally horrific associations and gawkers. How can they ever feel comfort or solace again in that house? When coming home, a family house should be like a hug and a safe haven, not a 3-D plus emotional/spiritual assault. IDK. JMO.

Are there aunts or uncles or some extended family who could assist with helping them? They *are* living in a hE11 hole, at a time when they need to feel protected, soothed, loved, unjudged, and embraced in stability. OMO.

In my fantasy for them, they would be indulged with daily visits from a competent social worker, comfort food, cushy upholstered furniture, thick duvets and soft music, cheerful but soothing colors, smells of baking bread and chocolate-chip cookies, and order and organization, with no TV or SM. IMHO.

So what prevents them from moving? They could set up a fundraiser account or use money from the Peacock deal or is that part of the deal to stay in that house?
I couldn't do it unless I thought Rex was not guilty. So does she think he is innocent?

 

[Izzylizzy]

John Ray makes a lot of sense. He asks good questions. I trust his judgement. Why would others want to silence him? MOO.

As you said,

"He asks good questions"

He also connects dots and possible connections where others fear to go and lets them be known.
On the big scene his presser with Rodney Harris standing beside him certainly gave him and the new evidence he presented credence.
I like him a lot and admire his dedication to both the victims and their loved ones.
Looking forward to his symposium.

 

[Izzylizzy]

So what prevents them from moving? They could set up a fundraiser account or use money from the Peacock deal or is that part of the deal to stay in that house?
I couldn't do it unless I thought Rex was not guilty. So does she think he is innocent?

<modsnip>

Her lawyer Bob Macedonio said that she doesn't want to believe he's guilty.
Taken at face value then I'd say yes, she thinks he's innocent.
She claims her info comes from the media and also believes it's all a sham.
By Asa/lawyer publicly denying his guilt she avoids the elephant in the room...how could she possibly have not known something was really,really wrong with Rex?

She knows damn well that the prosecutors have solid evidence that will be extremely difficult to discredit at trial, should it go there.

 

[Teche]

John Ray makes a lot of sense. He asks good questions. I trust his judgement. Why would others want to silence him? MOO.

IMO-He’s has been a thorn in LE’s side for years and he’s outspoken.

 

[x_files]

If she remains in the house she can give tours and Peacock can advertise it for weeks before. (scream)

Her lawyer Bob Macedonio said that she doesn't want to believe he's guilty.
Taken at face value then I'd say yes, she thinks he's innocent.
She claims her info comes from the media and also believes it's all a sham.
By Asa/lawyer publicly denying his guilt she avoids the elephant in the room...how could she possibly have not known something was really,really wrong with Rex?

She knows damn well that the prosecutors have solid evidence that will be extremely difficult to discredit at trial, should it go there.

<modsnip>

I have very mixed feelings about all of this.
Why is Peacock even involved? Is it turning into a media circus? I fear justice won't be served. The focus needs to remain on the victims, not Rex.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Have you considered how much Rex Heuermann has assisted the prosecution against himself? A man considered "smart" because he used a different burner phone for each victim, did not "burn" or destroy the devices, but instead kept them at home and in his office.

The bail application said there were hundreds of electronic devices in home and office that the task force is still going through.

The purpose of a "burner" phone is that it's used then destroyed when another "burner" is purchased. Over the long years how simple it would have been for RH to drop a phone off a curb, step a heavy heel into it, then leave the pieces to be washed away in the drains of the city.

I am personally going to guess other victims will be discovered from the study of these devices. Perhaps already have been.

This man searched how phone records were being used in solving crimes, then kept his old phones and probably the paperwork that went with them!

Then, there are the thousands upon thousands of dollars RH spent on storage units to maintain mounds of records of credit cards, expenditures, family life. None of this information would still be available from the companies. He's certainly not required by law to keep records from 2007. A reasonable person would have burned and shredded or never kept in the first place any of the paperwork LE needs to prove their case. Not only has RH kept them, he's paid good money to keep them safe.

Why? He knew better.

Looks like his hoarding caught up with him.
I believe it was a co-worker who said his car was filled with garbage too.

 

[x_files]

Looks like his hoarding caught up with him.
I believe it was a co-worker who said his car was filled with garbage too.

GOOD! I'm glad his hoarding with in fact be used as evidence against him!

 

[LetsSolvIt]

So what prevents them from moving? They could set up a fundraiser account or use money from the Peacock deal or is that part of the deal to stay in that house?
I couldn't do it unless I thought Rex was not guilty. So does she think he is innocent?

I wonder why they don’t move unless they just don’t have the bandwidth (which is understandable). I’m only suggesting a few more towns out on the LIRR so they aren’t abandoning RH. Somehow I get the idea they have no extended family or close friends who could help with a move. Seems like their lawyers should be able to work out something to front them funds until they get their Peacock money. IDK. Just a thought. MOO.

ADDED: reading on after I posted this — I guess if AE thinks he’s innocent (or rather refuses to believe he could have perpertrated these heinous acts), she thinks after a trial where he is found innocent, he will come home and they will live happily ever after in that home. Why would she take the kids and move if he’s innocent? OMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

This is an ongoing investigation and I hear them commenting quite a bit that this is "only the beginning." Has anyone considered what's going to happen if RH committed (at least) one of his murders in a death penalty state?

I think it's going to be a slow, arduous legal process with all the work and evidence. I doubt we'll see a trial for a couple of years. (guessing)

New York Capital Punishment:

While laws regarding the imposition of capital punishment in the state of New York are still on the books, it is no longer enforced as it has been declared unconstitutional in the state and this ruling has not been overturned. The last execution took place in 1963, when Eddie Lee Mays was electrocuted at Sing Sing Prison.

New Jersey Repealed Capital Punishment in 2007

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I wonder why they don’t move unless they just don’t have the bandwidth (which is understandable). I’m only suggesting a few more towns out on the LIRR so they aren’t abandoning RH. Somehow I get the idea they have no extended family or close friends who could help with a move. Seems like their lawyers should be able to work out something to front them funds until they get their Peacock money. IDK. Just a thought. MOO.

ADDED: reading on after I posted this — I guess if AE thinks he’s innocent (or rather refuses to believe he could have perpertrated these heinous acts), she thinks after a trial where he is found innocent, he will come home and they will live happily ever after in that home. Why would she take the kids and move if he’s innocent? OMO.

Exactly! Why would anyone continue to live in that home after all of this.
A dismal environment for them, especially after the condition it was reportedly left in.
It's not like they are broke any more so they seem to have the means to move on.
Everybody knows the guy is a creep just solely with the evidence to date, but when there's $$$$ involved, people do the strangest things!
MOO.

 

[snooptroop88]

Exactly! Why would anyone continue to live in that home after all of this.

I mean, why did anyone want to live in it BEFORE any of this?? Looks like hell.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Exactly! Why would anyone continue to live in that home after all of this.
A dismal environment for them, especially after the condition it was reportedly left in.
It's not like they are broke any more so they seem to have the means to move on.
Everybody knows the guy is a creep just solely with the evidence to date, but when there's $$$$ involved, people do the strangest things!
MOO.

It doesn't surprise me that Asa remained in the house, <modsnip no bashing the wife/victim>

 

[snooptroop88]

It doesn't surprise me that Asa remained in the house, <modsnip - no bashing the wife/victim>

Understood, but I'm kind of wondering what happened to her initial reaction with "It is what it is." Does anyone else remember that? When she first found out about all of this, she did the DeNiro-esque "It is what it is." When did it stop being that? How's Peacock going to change it if "it is what it is"? How'd it become something else?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Understood, but I'm kind of wondering what happened to her initial reaction with "It is what it is." Does anyone else remember that? When she first found out about all of this, she did the DeNiro-esque "It is what it is." When did it stop being that? How's Peacock going to change it if "it is what it is"? How'd it become something else?

It changed as soon as a female reporter asked her if it would be helpful to have a fundraiser for her. A switch seems to go off in her eyes, and there you have it. MOO.