Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[snarast]

Massapequa to Atlantic City isn’t a short drive. Google says 150 miles. 3+ hours. So if someone in AC, drives back to Massapequa & back to AC then it’s 6+ hours of driving. Not straight highway, it’s messy getting off LI, then to NJ with bridges & tolls & gas. If the car has EZ pass, or pay by card, then there is evidence. Of course could have done all with cash.
Not sure if we know that she drove w kids. Could have taken bus or train.
Not sure why she would bother going to AC and drive back to do a crime … doesn’t make sense.

What makes more sense is RH telling her to go away, to the seaside. Far enough to give him time.

It’s a different MO though. A trip to Iceland is presumably planned months in advance while directing his family to a weekend of AC fun could have been a more urgent matter. Anyway, we just don’t know enough of rhe facts. I guess it’s the lack of news from the investigation that really triggers speculation.

That and the fact that we don’t know for sure that the investigative house has been cleaned completely.

 

[FromGermany1]

Do we know, if AE has a driver's license (or her daughter)? I didn't see a pic of her behind the wheel. Would be interesting to know for all the connections, we are assuming would be a possibility.

 

[snooptroop88]

Do we know, if AE has a driver's license (or her daughter)? I didn't see a pic of her behind the wheel. Would be interesting to know for all the connections, we are assuming would be a possibility.

I'm pretty sure I saw him mentioning at some point (may have been a court deposition from a civil action for prior vehicular matter) that she/AE drove him to the LIRR station, so I think she does have one, right.

Just found the deposition, it notes at some point RH says his wife drove him home on at least one occasion, so right, she's got a license.

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=KokQ6UhDXfCQtiwo9CL8gg==

Would definitely read the deposition. Among other interesting moments, it's got an extended discussion of RH trying to explain which hand is his predominant hand, which would be of obvious importance if he's involved in crimes where he used (theoretically/MOO) knives or guns.

 

[Ruminations]

It’s a different MO though. A trip to Iceland is presumably planned months in advance while directing his family to a weekend of AC fun could have been a more urgent matter. Anyway, we just don’t know enough of rhe facts. I guess it’s the lack of news from the investigation that really triggers speculation.

That and the fact that we don’t know for sure that the investigative house has been cleaned completely.

Driving:

My impression is V has a license- there was a media story about a neighbor who talked that milestone.

The depositions from the crashing season talk of Rex and his wife both driving on long trips. They don't mention V driving. But they don't mention her presence, either, IIRC.

I agree that it is very significant that the way to get to AC (a strange destination with children) is by driving. Yes, it's not down the block, but unlike booking a flight, departure time is flexible. As John Ray pointed out, the dates the hotel were paid for do not indicate presence in AC, although things like the liquor store purchase - which itself is a little strange in a mom and nearly teen trip, especially in the absence of any purchases that seem kid- focused- do indicate that someone over 21 was likely holding the credit card in AC on a particular date.

It would be possible to make the trip in cash- especially the departing trip, but the major bridges and tunnels had a lot of surveillance, especially after 9/11. Still, I don't know what information would be preserved at this point, or if it would be investigatively relevant.

House search:

I don't see anything else LE could do about this, but it does trouble me that Asa could have informed Rex of what was and was not found via statements and photos released during the "poor me, my house might contain evidence about multiple murders and just because of that I had to step aside almost two weeks then fix some things. It didn't help that I was getting an outpouring of support from neighbors and strangers- in the form of labor, food, gift cards, cash, and the even thoughtful, light gifts like comic books."

During the above kvetching through Macedonio, photos of the home were released to news outlets.
Those photos of the house could have been communication to Rex ahead of discovery. And possibly, Asa could have been unknowingly set up to help him in that way by being told to complain about the search for evidence.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I'm pretty sure I saw him mentioning at some point (may have been a court deposition from a civil action for prior vehicular matter) that she/AE drove him to the LIRR station, so I think she does have one, right.

Just found the deposition, it notes at some point RH says his wife drove him home on at least one occasion, so right, she's got a license.

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=KokQ6UhDXfCQtiwo9CL8gg==

Would definitely read the deposition. Among other interesting moments, it's got an extended discussion of RH trying to explain which hand is his predominant hand, which would be of obvious importance if he's involved in crimes where he used (theoretically/MOO) knives or guns.

The deposition also has him saying he and his wife took turns driving to visit his mother in another state.

It would be so interesting if we could see the deposition of the woman who hit him, just to see what her story was that night. He stated she said she didn't see him. How can a person miss a 6'4" ogre I wonder! He also stated he asked her if she was okay, after he banged on her hood and shouted obscenities at her. Somehow I find that hard to believe.

Do we know if he got any money from this lawsuit?
MOO.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

House search:

I don't see anything else LE could do about this, but it does trouble me that Asa could have informed Rex of what was and was not found via statements and photos released during the "poor me, my house might contain evidence about multiple murders and just because of that I had to step aside almost two weeks then fix some things

RH via his attorney had immediate access to anything in the press and the search warrant requires that a detailed accounting of anything taken from the house be provided.

 

[FromGermany1]

My impression is V has a license- there was a media story about a neighbor who talked that milestone.

Oh yes, now I remember. The neighbour thought, the poor girl V should take the car, drive away and never come back to that home (similar wording).

 

[Ruminations]

The deposition also has him saying he and his wife took turns driving to visit his mother in another state.

It would be so interesting if we could see the deposition of the woman who hit him, just to see what her story was that night. He stated she said she didn't see him. How can a person miss a 6'4" ogre I wonder! He also stated he asked her if she was okay, after he banged on her hood and shouted obscenities at her. Somehow I find that hard to believe.

Do we know if he got any money from this lawsuit?
MOO.

lol, it wouldn't surprise me if the full sentence was something like, he was ducked behind a parked boxed truck and "I didn't see him" until he jumped out in front of me.

I don't think it is likely he won much...that was the one where he was photographed out on ladders hanging Christmas lights? If you can drive and hang lights, it doesn't sound like an expensive injury to me.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

lol, it wouldn't surprise me if the full sentence was something like, he was ducked behind a parked boxed truck and "I didn't see him" until he jumped out in front of me.

I don't think it is likely he won much...that was the one where he was photographed out on ladders hanging Christmas lights? If you can drive and hang lights, it doesn't sound like an expensive injury to me.

MOO

RH said he couldn't reach over his head with his right arm, and couldn't climb on ladders any more. The lady's lawyer showed him a pic of strung Christmas lights on his house after the accident. When he saw the pic, he said his stepson had helped him string the lights. He said he had difficulty driving his jeep (standard transmission) and couldn't ride his bike, but he drove his automatic Avalanche quite frequently either on his own or with his wife sharing the driving. He couldn't recall two weeks previous if his wife helped him drive to go visit his mother in another state. I found it interesting that he spoke of his bike because of that female who suggested he stalked her in a park one day from his bike (popping up everywhere on her walk). I don't know if anything came of that report.

 

[CuriousCricket]

RH said he couldn't reach over his head with his right arm, and couldn't climb on ladders any more. The lady's lawyer showed him a pic of strung Christmas lights on his house after the accident. When he saw the pic, he said his stepson had helped him string the lights. He said he had difficulty driving his jeep (standard transmission) and couldn't ride his bike, but he drove his automatic Avalanche quite frequently either on his own or with his wife sharing the driving. He couldn't recall two weeks previous if his wife helped him drive to go visit his mother in another state. I found it interesting that he spoke of his bike because of that female who suggested he stalked her in a park one day from his bike (popping up everywhere on her walk). I don't know if anything came of that report.

Do you have the date on this lawsuit?

If this is the shoulder injury which required surgery, then it is also the injury that I suspect influenced his change in MO from dismemberment and multiple locations for the remains. It may have preceded the purchase of his first Avalanche, which has a factory-installed, lockable cover for the bed and therefore was better for transporting whole bodies.

Having pulled both shoulders, I know how excruciating the pain associated with the shoulder joint is and how much you change your way of doing tasks.

He changed several things inside the Gilgo 4, especially in the two years, 2007-2009, from the disappearances of Maureen Brainard Barnes to Melissa Barthelemy. Two big changes that may have made disposal easier also preserved evidence which is currently being used against him. He went from belt restraints (which appears unplanned and just grabbing what's at hand, suggestive of his home being the murder site) to tape, which thankfully trapped hairs for later DNA analysis, and from wrapping the body in plastic, from which the elements were free to carry evidence to make identification of victim and murderer more difficult, to using a camo burlap bag, which trapped and held on to evidence despite the elements, for each. And, yes, I am aware of the hair trapped on the monogram belt. It seems to me it's less likely with belts than with a roll of unprotected tape, which can just hold on to anything that wisps to its surface.

It is the changes between MBB and MB which have led me to believe that all the bodies strung out along Ocean Parkway belong to RH. He changed his MO when he needed to "problem solve" or "trouble shoot" any element. A trait he bragged about in one interview.

 

[Ruminations]

Do you have the date on this lawsuit?

If this is the shoulder injury which required surgery, then it is also the injury that I suspect influenced his change in MO from dismemberment and multiple locations for the remains. It may have preceded the purchase of his first Avalanche, which has a factory-installed, lockable cover for the bed and therefore was better for transporting whole bodies.

Having pulled both shoulders, I know how excruciating the pain associated with the shoulder joint is and how much you change your way of doing tasks.

He changed several things inside the Gilgo 4, especially in the two years, 2007-2009, from the disappearances of Maureen Brainard Barnes to Melissa Barthelemy. Two big changes that may have made disposal easier also preserved evidence which is currently being used against him. He went from belt restraints (which appears unplanned and just grabbing what's at hand, suggestive of his home being the murder site) to tape, which thankfully trapped hairs for later DNA analysis, and from wrapping the body in plastic, from which the elements were free to carry evidence to make identification of victim and murderer more difficult, to using a camo burlap bag, which trapped and held on to evidence despite the elements, for each. And, yes, I am aware of the hair trapped on the monogram belt. It seems to me it's less likely with belts than with a roll of unprotected tape, which can just hold on to anything that wisps to its surface.

It is the changes between MBB and MB which have led me to believe that all the bodies strung out along Ocean Parkway belong to RH. He changed his MO when he needed to "problem solve" or "trouble shoot" any element. A trait he bragged about in one interview.

Interesting, but I don't think he was terribly injured. It seemed like insurance fraud.

MOO

Edited to add: deposition was in the spring of 2018. The alleged accident was in the previous winter (2016-2017).

 

[Forest_Wood]

Do you have the date on this lawsuit?

If this is the shoulder injury which required surgery, then it is also the injury that I suspect influenced his change in MO from dismemberment and multiple locations for the remains. It may have preceded the purchase of his first Avalanche, which has a factory-installed, lockable cover for the bed and therefore was better for transporting whole bodies.

Having pulled both shoulders, I know how excruciating the pain associated with the shoulder joint is and how much you change your way of doing tasks.

He changed several things inside the Gilgo 4, especially in the two years, 2007-2009, from the disappearances of Maureen Brainard Barnes to Melissa Barthelemy. Two big changes that may have made disposal easier also preserved evidence which is currently being used against him. He went from belt restraints (which appears unplanned and just grabbing what's at hand, suggestive of his home being the murder site) to tape, which thankfully trapped hairs for later DNA analysis, and from wrapping the body in plastic, from which the elements were free to carry evidence to make identification of victim and murderer more difficult, to using a camo burlap bag, which trapped and held on to evidence despite the elements, for each. And, yes, I am aware of the hair trapped on the monogram belt. It seems to me it's less likely with belts than with a roll of unprotected tape, which can just hold on to anything that wisps to its surface.

It is the changes between MBB and MB which have led me to believe that all the bodies strung out along Ocean Parkway belong to RH. He changed his MO when he needed to "problem solve" or "trouble shoot" any element. A trait he bragged about in one interview.

It is Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #10

 

[CuriousCricket]

Interesting, but I don't think he was terribly injured. It seemed like insurance fraud.

MOO

Edited to add: deposition was in the spring of 2018. The alleged accident was in the previous winter (2016-2017).

This date is obviously much too late to have influenced his MO in the Gilgo 4.

 

[sds71]

Donna Sturman told investigative reporter Kristin Thorne she still has not gotten over the shock of the claims made against her former boss.

"It's traumatizing," she said. "It's so unbelievable."

Sturman worked for Heuermann from 2017 to 2018 at his architectural office in Midtown.

She said the irony is not lost on her that it was DNA from a discarded piece of pizza crust that prosecutors have used to tie Heuermann to the Gilgo Beach murders. He has pled not guilty to all the charges.

"I used to buy him that pizza," Sturman said. "It always kind of bothered me that he didn't eat the crust."


Sturman said Heuermann never paid her overtime or vacation time. She filed a complaint with the New York State Department of Labor and, in 2021, the department found Heuermann owed Sturman $20,000 in lost wages.

In September, the DOL issued a judgment against Heuermann for still not paying Sturman.

"No, he hasn't paid me," she said. "He's obviously not in jail writing checks."

Former secretary of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann speaks out | Exclusive

The former executive assistant of accused Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann is speaking for the first time exclusively with Eyewitness News.

abc7ny.com

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Asa Ellerup's story is also turning out the way attorney John Ray first predicted.

Hi, Betty. Can you share more on this? TIA I do remember hearing him interviewed, but it's been a very long time ago. It's probably not the interview or the information to which you're referring. Thanks, again.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I get the feeling she's a paid actor on a stage, performing a role that may or may not reflect her own knowledge and belief. She's not under oath. There's no penalty I know of to prevent her performance.

I hope that's what it is.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Not to mention her thoughts on what they're actually paying her for! Why would Peacock pay her anything if not for her attachment to (an alleged) serial killer husband?!?! She'd have zero relevance in life otherwise. A nobody that became a somebody because of every body that was slaughtered. MOO.

To be fair, had she not met and married RH, she wouldn't need the money from Peacock.

 

[Betty P]

Hi, Betty. Can you share more on this? TIA I do remember hearing him interviewed, but it's been a very long time ago. It's probably not the interview or the information to which you're referring. Thanks, again.

Hi @GoBuckeyes, I made that comment a while ago, so have to think for a minute . I was probably was referring to John Ray's suspicion that Asa was involved with some of the murders, not committing them, but knew they happened and may have helped him with disposing of the bodies. His Her role since his arrest has been to defend him and help present the view of their family being normal.
Attorney John Ray has been involved in these investigations since 2010,after becoming the attorney for the family of Shannan Gilbert, the sex worker who called 911 to report being attacked near Gilgo Beach. She was later found dead not far from some of the other LISK victims.

ETA: I think I made that comment you referenced back when John Ray was bringing forward a couple of new witnesses who signed affidavits stating Asa was present when Rex H brought sex workers to his home. Another referenced a sex party held there with Asa present. Have you seen those?

 

[Forest_Wood]

To be fair, had she not met and married RH, she wouldn't need the money from Peacock.

Not necessarily! To be as fair, I think it takes a certain type of person to capitalize on murder, no mattered who you're married to. MOO.

 

[dotr]

Re posts fwiw..

Gilgo Beach murders: New evidence suggests Rex Heuermann's wife Asa Ellerup's knew of his 'sex visits'

Rex Heuermann's wife Asa Ellerup's lawyer Robert Macedonio has dubbed the witnesses' claims as 'outlandish'

meaww.com

''The witness wrote in the affidavit that she recognized Heuermann, Ellerup, and Vergata after the Gilgo Beach murders case garnered media attention and appeared in the press.

The fourth new witness, who spoke to Ray in an interview but did not give an affidavit, was decribed as a sex worker.

She claimed that she serviced Heuermann "over 20 times" around the same time when the Gilgo Beach murders occured.

The witness said that Heuermann was a serial user of sex workers and would often book two at a time.

She also alleged that he brought the hookers to his home while his wife was upstairs.''