Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Forest_Wood]

I think when, not if, RH is found guilty they should bulldoze that house to the ground. They've done that in a lot of these types of crimes.

I'm not familiar with the process, but if they did bulldoze the house, would they put the lot on the market for sale and would the family be entitled to the proceeds of that money? Or would it be made into some type of garden or something?

MOO

I’m curious about this too. If it’s been signed over to his wife then I suppose it’s her decision to make?

 

[Friday13]

The way the girls were left was just so different - the body positioning was so strange and precise for AC, the posing was obviously deeply important to the perpetrator, and the timeframe was completely different. There were years between some of the GB4, and all the AC victims were killed over five weeks.

I don't see a connection, personally.

MOO

Thank you for your response!

 

[dotr]

Gilgo Beach cops remove eerie items from serial killer suspect's house

On the fourth day of searches on Heuermann's home, investigators emerged from the property with several items as they continue to scour for evidence related to the Gilgo Beach killings.

www.dailymail.co.uk

24 May 2024
'Crews wearing gloves and face masks were seen standing on folding chairs collecting paint chips from underneath the porch rafters on Thursday afternoon - on day four of the search that started on Monday when officials raided Heuermann’s home for a second time.'

Two members of the crime lab are pictured taking paint chip samples from Heuermann's porch

A crime lab specialists examines a rope that she labels with evidence tape

The forensic worker was seen unwinding the rope from a pole at the Heuermann property

 

[CuriousCricket]

Gilgo Beach cops remove eerie items from serial killer suspect's house

On the fourth day of searches on Heuermann's home, investigators emerged from the property with several items as they continue to scour for evidence related to the Gilgo Beach killings.

www.dailymail.co.uk

24 May 2024
'Crews wearing gloves and face masks were seen standing on folding chairs collecting paint chips from underneath the porch rafters on Thursday afternoon - on day four of the search that started on Monday when officials raided Heuermann’s home for a second time.'
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Two members of the crime lab are pictured taking paint chip samples from Heuermann's porch
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A crime lab specialists examines a rope that she labels with evidence tape
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The forensic worker was seen unwinding the rope from a pole at the Heuermann property

Paint chips? What in the world can that possibly be about? And rope in a case where the bodies were discovered about 13-14 years ago and the murders took place even longer ago. Unless the twine / rope had been stored inside and recently wrapped around this post, can it possibly have any DNA or other evidence?

I'm guessing analysis of all the electronic devices and other evidence collected suggests the twine/rope might possibly have value. I'm glad they're taking no chances of missing anything.

 

[Diddian]

Paint chips? What in the world can that possibly be about? And rope in a case where the bodies were discovered about 13-14 years ago and the murders took place even longer ago. Unless the twine / rope had been stored inside and recently wrapped around this post, can it possibly have any DNA or other evidence?

I'm guessing analysis of all the electronic devices and other evidence collected suggests the twine/rope might possibly have value. I'm glad they're taking no chances of missing anything.

That house paint is red. Maybe it isn’t paint chips but dried blood spots that are being examined and taken.

We don’t know what evidence led LE to this second search. Among many possibilities: It could be other (alive) victims talking to LE and sharing where particular assaults occurred or it could be that electronic devices previously taken have yielded written or photographic evidence about what assaults occurred and where, so LE knows where to look and what to look for and samples are being taken to corroborate.

 

[Warwick1991]

Paint chips and pigment fragments can last for many years. The components of paint can be identified by archaeologists centuries later. It is possible that there were identifiable paint fragments or chips buried with human remains. It is reasonable to assume that investigators want to check if there's a match between paint evidence found on victims to paint at Heuermann's house.

I seem to recall that the investigation of the Green River Killer (GRK) developed information from microscopic paint fragments found with the victims, and that the paint was a vehicle paint, probably a truck paint. The GRK, Gary Ridgway, worked in a Kenworth truck assembly plant.

As far as the rope is concerned, people may have spools of rope stored for years, depending on how much rope they use. If a burial site yielded some rope, the investigators may want to check if any rope at Heuermann's house is a match for what was found.

 

[Megnut]

Gilgo Beach cops remove eerie items from serial killer suspect's house

On the fourth day of searches on Heuermann's home, investigators emerged from the property with several items as they continue to scour for evidence related to the Gilgo Beach killings.

www.dailymail.co.uk

24 May 2024
'Crews wearing gloves and face masks were seen standing on folding chairs collecting paint chips from underneath the porch rafters on Thursday afternoon - on day four of the search that started on Monday when officials raided Heuermann’s home for a second time.'
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Two members of the crime lab are pictured taking paint chip samples from Heuermann's porch
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A crime lab specialists examines a rope that she labels with evidence tape
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The forensic worker was seen unwinding the rope from a pole at the Heuermann property

Paint chips and pigment fragments can last for many years. The components of paint can be identified by archaeologists centuries later. It is possible that there were identifiable paint fragments or chips buried with human remains. It is reasonable to assume that investigators want to check if there's a match between paint evidence found on victims to paint at Heuermann's house.

I seem to recall that the investigation of the Green River Killer (GRK) developed information from microscopic paint fragments found with the victims, and that the paint was a vehicle paint, probably a truck paint. The GRK, Gary Ridgway, worked in a Kenworth truck assembly plant.

As far as the rope is concerned, people may have spools of rope stored for years, depending on how much rope they use. If a burial site yielded some rope, the investigators may want to check if any rope at Heuermann's house is a match for what was found.

As to the paint chips, paint up under the eaves would be well protected from the elements. Perhaps that's why that location was chosen. To compare with possible paint chips from the victims as @Warwick1991 suggested. If (and I doubt it) the home has been repainted (and not just that backyard panel), that same area may have been missed and the layer corresponding to the dates of the murders may be exposed/accessible.

The rope, possibly to compare to rope found with victims. Even if that rope was used on the home more recently, judging by the State of the home and its collections, there's a good chance it's not new rope, that is old rope from an existing hoard of rope.

Potentially lucrative leads, especially if they contact materials from RH's home to other unsolved murders.

JMO

 

[Sheila Terranova]

The police are working so hard literally leaving no stone unturned on their fifth day searching the house yet again. In the midst of horror I am so grateful there are heroic people who care and spend their working hours determined to prevent terror for young girls. There is good in the world. (I know not all police did well or are heroes but no profession is perfect.this team is really going all out. Hallelujah.)

 

[sds71]

The focus of a six-day search of the Massapequa Park property of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann was on the home's basement, an attorney for his family told Newsday Sunday.

Attorney Robert Macedonio, accompanied Heuermann's daughter Victoria to the home shortly after being notified by the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office that the search had ended.

“It seems to be the focus was in the basement,” Macedonio said after spending about a half-hour inspecting the condition of the house after investigators left.

Macedonio said he planned to notify Heuermann's defense attorney, Michael J. Brown, of what he observed in the house but wasn't “at liberty to discuss” why exactly he believed investigators focused on the basement.

Gilgo Beach killings: Police conclude 2nd search of Heuermann's home, which focused on basement

The focus at the Massapequa Park property of Rex A. Heuermann was on the basement, the family attorney said.

www.newsday.com

 

[Betty P]

Macedonio said he planned to notify Heuermann's defense attorney, Michael J. Brown, of what he observed in the house but wasn't “at liberty to discuss” why exactly he believed investigators focused on the basement.

This is why Macedonio and the other attorneys are working for Rex's family. It's to acquire and share information that Rex and his attorney would not otherwise have access to. It's to discuss and question relevant people on the outside that Rex H can't talk to without raising suspicion. Its as I suspected, along with a couple other things. Question is, who is paying them, especially in the early months before the $million$ contract was signed with NBC?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yes! ^^^ and not to over emphasize it, as there are at least four female victims involved that we are aware of……. they are the priority IMO…….

Just maybe that book was perhaps RHs? And if the case, begs the question if it was earlier seen, then how did it reappear later in this most recent search warrant evidence collection? And by whom? AFAIK RH wouldn’t have been in the residence to have placed it the second time? And yet if it wasn’t his then whose book is it? I envision DNA work on it might elucidate who had touched it?

Maybe one of the family’s lawyers will clarify that?

I am also hoping that perhaps we will hear something soon from any other attorney(s) involved with this case. MOO

There are times when a lawyer is better off to just shut-up.
This was one of them.
I also read that the book had been seized and was returned by LE and it was on the kitchen table in the house.


'In a statement to DailyMail.com, Vess Mitev, the lawyer representing Victoria Heuermann, 26 and Christopher Sheridan, 33, said neither he nor his clients had 'knowledge' of such a book.

He then offered a potential defense of them.

'It's not against the law to have books!' he said. '

 

[Izzylizzy]

I think when, not if, RH is found guilty they should bulldoze that house to the ground. They've done that in a lot of these types of crimes.

I'm not familiar with the process, but if they did bulldoze the house, would they put the lot on the market for sale and would the family be entitled to the proceeds of that money? Or would it be made into some type of garden or something?

MOO

That reminds me of the movie "Poltergeist" and what happened to the family when they built their house on an Indian burial ground.(scream)

 

[snooptroop88]

That house paint is red. Maybe it isn’t paint chips but dried blood spots that are being examined and taken.

We don’t know what evidence led LE to this second search. Among many possibilities: It could be other (alive) victims talking to LE and sharing where particular assaults occurred or it could be that electronic devices previously taken have yielded written or photographic evidence about what assaults occurred and where, so LE knows where to look and what to look for and samples are being taken to corroborate.

Agreed, I also think perhaps paint seepage or blood spatter, and maybe an attempt to conceal it. Pure speculation, obviously. But I've often wondered not just about the overall condition of the house (with this being a home owned by an architect), but also the color scheme in particular. Red and green, every day's Christmas, evidently. It's a rather unusual and arguably unattractive color scheme. They're excellent colors on flags, for teams, maybe on cakes, but you don't usually see this combination with a home exterior. I'm not saying you can't make it work, some people do a brilliant job with it, but clearly, this isn't such a case. Paint doesn't cost very much, so the fact that he's very frugal doesn't really seem to explain it. Again, this guy's an architect with his own firm. You just can't help but wonder-- why??

 

[Izzylizzy]

I'm curious why Asa's lawyer Robert Macedonio has been quite low-key concerning this week long search and seize?
Somethin up he knows about?

 

[Izzylizzy]

But they did such an intensive search in July. Have they found an hidden room or something?

ds71 said:
"Macedonio said he planned to notify Heuermann's defense attorney, Michael J. Brown, of what he observed in the house but wasn't “at liberty to discuss” why exactly he believed investigators focused on the basement."


Asa's lawyer Robert Macedonio told a reporter that he believes they're focused in the basement.
The only reference to Heuermann's basement that I recall was from the female interviewed by John Ray who claims to have gone to Rex's house with her NY detective boyfriend and Karen Vergata,
Ray had said that Rodney Harrison knew about the boyfriend and LE had spoken to him.
I've seen no updates .
For what it's worth


"The witness said she, her date and the woman called “Karen” entered the Heuermann home and she met Heuermann’s wife.

“Karen went downstairs,” the witness wrote. “I stayed upstairs. My partner, who I believe was bisexual, kept disappearing. I believed he was elsewhere in the house, having sex with Rex. I believe I had sex with Rex as well. I never went downstairs.”

Witness claims off-duty cop took Gilgo victim to Rex Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home in 1996: affidavit

MILLER PLACE, N.Y. (PIX11) — In a jaw-dropping claim that took the Suffolk County district attorney by surprise, lawyer John Ray appeared with Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison at a Wednesd…

pix11.com

 

[snarast]

That house paint is red. Maybe it isn’t paint chips but dried blood spots that are being examined and taken.

We don’t know what evidence led LE to this second search. Among many possibilities: It could be other (alive) victims talking to LE and sharing where particular assaults occurred or it could be that electronic devices previously taken have yielded written or photographic evidence about what assaults occurred and where, so LE knows where to look and what to look for and samples are being taken to corroborate.

Yes, dark red even. And they are taking material high up where arterial spray might have gone unnoticed. For years.

 

[dotr]

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The DA has not said what his team was looking for.

'A search warrant executed at the home of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann has concluded, according to family lawyer Robert Macedonio. He said the search had concluded for now and appeared to be focused in the home’s basement'.

 

[Ruminations]

One theory buzzing through my mind is that this search is especially about Karen Vergata, and maybe there was some paint on her. For example, if she attempted to exit a window she could have gotten some of the exterior trim paint on her, and paint could have been found with her body somewhere.

Thus the police were taking extra samples of the trim paint from the ceiling of the porch.

I'm glad there seems to be movement on the case.

MOO

 

[snarast]

One theory buzzing through my mind is that this search is especially about Karen Vergata, and maybe there was some paint on her. For example, if she attempted to exit a window she could have gotten some of the exterior trim paint on her, and paint could have been found with her body somewhere.

Thus the police were taking extra samples of the trim paint from the ceiling of the porch.

I'm glad there seems to be movement on the case.

MOO

Or conversely - a bloodied Karen Vergata tries to get out of the window and leaves blood on the outside.

 

[Izzylizzy]

One theory buzzing through my mind is that this search is especially about Karen Vergata, and maybe there was some paint on her. For example, if she attempted to exit a window she could have gotten some of the exterior trim paint on her, and paint could have been found with her body somewhere.

Thus the police were taking extra samples of the trim paint from the ceiling of the porch.

I'm glad there seems to be movement on the case.

MOO

Karen also crossed my mind due to John Ray's witness who claimed that she went down to the basement .
I have yet to find any comments from John Ray on the latest search and seize.