Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Izzylizzy]

IMO:
The amount of evidence removed from the Heuermann residence is staggering.

 

[Izzylizzy]

July 21, 2023​

'Investigators in Gilgo Beach case operating on theory that the killings occurred in suspect’s home'​

Updated 9:11 AM EDT, Fri July 21, 2023

"Since the spring of this year, investigators looking into the Gilgo Beach serial killings case have been operating on the theory that the suspect, Rex Heuermann, committed the killings in his Massapequa Park, New York, home.

A source involved in the investigation told CNN the fact that the disappearances occurred during times his family was out of town suggests he may have lured victims to the Long Island home.

Investigators believe committing the killings at home would have given Heuermann control of the environment and access to materials that were found at the crime scene, including tape and burlap bags, the source said."

cont:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/us/gilgo-beach-serial-killings-rex-heuermann-house/index.html

 

[CuriousCricket]

IMO:
The amount of evidence removed from the Heuermann residence is staggering.

Perhaps because after processing everything already in LE's possession, they now know what they're looking for and where to look.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Does anyone know if Asa did sue LE for the damage done to her home?
I have this strong feeling that Bob Macedonio is very concerned about this search/seize by his comments.
Just me?

Fri, Aug 11, 2023

Family Of Gilgo Beach Murders Suspect Say Police Search Wrecked Their Home

”Their valuables were shattered, their beds were destroyed, the places where they laid their heads down at night no longer exist,” one of their attorneys said.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

​

 

[Izzylizzy]

Because after processing everything already in LE's possession, they now know what they're looking for and where to look.

Quite a bit of personal feminine effects were removed as shown in photos.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I'm still confused about LE questioning Asa.
CNN Video of Laura Coats questioning Bob Macedonio while the original search/seize was taking place in July 2023.
Except when LE arrived at her home the same time Rex was being arrested in NYC she hadn't been questioned/interrogated by LE.
Has she since?

video:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/08/01/gilgo-beach-suspect-wife-lawyer-robert-macedonio-cpt-hnk-vpx.cnn

 

[snooptroop88]

July 21, 2023​

'Investigators in Gilgo Beach case operating on theory that the killings occurred in suspect’s home'​

Updated 9:11 AM EDT, Fri July 21, 2023

"Since the spring of this year, investigators looking into the Gilgo Beach serial killings case have been operating on the theory that the suspect, Rex Heuermann, committed the killings in his Massapequa Park, New York, home.

A source involved in the investigation told CNN the fact that the disappearances occurred during times his family was out of town suggests he may have lured victims to the Long Island home.

Investigators believe committing the killings at home would have given Heuermann control of the environment and access to materials that were found at the crime scene, including tape and burlap bags, the source said."

cont:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/us/gilgo-beach-serial-killings-rex-heuermann-house/index.html

NOT saying he didn't commit crimes in the home. He might have. The victims they've charged him for up to now are all strangulation victims, no blood that we're aware of. But aside from giving him control if he killed at home, it would also give LE potentially powerful and more obvious DNA evidence in his actual residence in the event they tracked him somehow. If he left anything-- anything at all on those remains, and we see he did-- they'd come back to the house one, ten, twenty, maybe thirty years later, and that's a potential "bingo" moment and curtains for RH if they find anything there as well. I think for the most part he put his odds on them eventually finding the bodies out in the woods much later (which happened) and never being able to tie back to him & the home. Everything would be too decomposed. And whatever they found "out in the field" would be too "weak" to track back to his doorstep. But he might also have figured it would be too late for recovery of anything in the home by the time they arrived at the doorstep, and he may be right. How likely is it they'd find a hair from any of the Gilgo Four victims a decade after the fact in his residence? Even if he killed them there. I'd say not too likely. But MOO, he probably killed elsewhere and hedged his bets a bit, meticulous to some degree on what actually would be left at the home itself.

With the vehicle he had, it would be of minimal inconvenience for him to have burlap and tape on hand in the vehicle. With his own devious goals in mind, and his level of intelligence, I would think he would veer away from actual murder in the home. I think he did all the Gilgo murders, so I think he dismembered women's bodies. I don't think he'd risk it in the home, which means he had some "set up" or "system" for doing it elsewhere. If he did all the murders, he dismembered before he stopped dismembering, which means with this theory he'd already have "gotten used to" avoiding actual murder in the home.

That doesn't mean it's the case, though. And even if he did his gruesome deeds "out in the field" for the most part, it also doesn't mean he didn't engage in activities inside/near the home which he viewed as "lower risk" that also might have yielded some kind of potential DNA, even years later. Anything's possible right now. So watching to see the results of the Manorville search & his recent home search with great interest, that's for sure.

 

[Teche]

ds71 said:
"Macedonio said he planned to notify Heuermann's defense attorney, Michael J. Brown, of what he observed in the house but wasn't “at liberty to discuss” why exactly he believed investigators focused on the basement."


Asa's lawyer Robert Macedonio told a reporter that he believes they're focused in the basement.
The only reference to Heuermann's basement that I recall was from the female interviewed by John Ray who claims to have gone to Rex's house with her NY detective boyfriend and Karen Vergata,
Ray had said that Rodney Harrison knew about the boyfriend and LE had spoken to him.
I've seen no updates .
For what it's worth


"The witness said she, her date and the woman called “Karen” entered the Heuermann home and she met Heuermann’s wife.

“Karen went downstairs,” the witness wrote. “I stayed upstairs. My partner, who I believe was bisexual, kept disappearing. I believed he was elsewhere in the house, having sex with Rex. I believe I had sex with Rex as well. I never went downstairs.”

Witness claims off-duty cop took Gilgo victim to Rex Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home in 1996: affidavit

MILLER PLACE, N.Y. (PIX11) — In a jaw-dropping claim that took the Suffolk County district attorney by surprise, lawyer John Ray appeared with Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison at a Wednesd…

pix11.com

If the information is accurate that Asa was present, chances are that the two children were home.

 

[Izzylizzy]

NOT saying he didn't commit crimes in the home. He might have. The victims they've charged him for up to now are all strangulation victims, no blood that we're aware of. But aside from giving him control if he killed at home, it would also give LE potentially powerful and more obvious DNA evidence in his actual residence in the event they tracked him somehow. If he left anything-- anything at all on those remains, and we see he did-- they'd come back to the house one, ten, twenty, maybe thirty years later, and that's a potential "bingo" moment and curtains for RH if they find anything there as well. I think for the most part he put his odds on them eventually finding the bodies out in the woods much later (which happened) and never being able to tie back to him & the home. Everything would be too decomposed. And whatever they found "out in the field" would be too "weak" to track back to his doorstep. But he might also have figured it would be too late for recovery of anything in the home by the time they arrived at the doorstep, and he may be right. How likely is it they'd find a hair from any of the Gilgo Four victims a decade after the fact in his residence? Even if he killed them there. I'd say not too likely. But MOO, he probably killed elsewhere and hedged his bets a bit, meticulous to some degree on what actually would be left at the home itself.

With the vehicle he had, it would be of minimal inconvenience for him to have burlap and tape on hand in the vehicle. With his own devious goals in mind, and his level of intelligence, I would think he would veer away from actual murder in the home. I think he did all the Gilgo murders, so I think he dismembered women's bodies. I don't think he'd risk it in the home, which means he had some "set up" or "system" for doing it elsewhere. If he did all the murders, he dismembered before he stopped dismembering, which means with this theory he'd already have "gotten used to" avoiding actual murder in the home.

That doesn't mean it's the case, though. And even if he did his gruesome deeds "out in the field" for the most part, it also doesn't mean he didn't engage in activities inside/near the home which he viewed as "lower risk" that also might have yielded some kind of potential DNA, even years later. Anything's possible right now. So watching to see the results of the Manorville search & his recent home search with great interest, that's for sure.

I like your acute thinking and possibilities, thank you.
Yes, I can even see him first bringing the young women to his home just to save money too.

 

[Teche]

Perhaps because after processing everything already in LE's possession, they now know what they're looking for and where to look.

It looks like the rolling cart came out of the bathroom. There’s a roll of toilet paper on the cart.

 

[Izzylizzy]

If the information is accurate that Asa was present, chances are that the two children were home.

Not along the timeline that John Ray's witness claims to have been in the house.
She said that Asa was pregnant (with their daughter ) which would have made her son 6-7 yrs old.

 

[x_files]

The way the girls were left was just so different - the body positioning was so strange and precise for AC, the posing was obviously deeply important to the perpetrator, and the timeframe was completely different. There were years between some of the GB4, and all the AC victims were killed over five weeks.

I don't see a connection, personally.

MOO

Here's a thought what if he was experimenting and changed over the course of the years? It would also throw off LE/FBI if it changed drastically. Just a thought.

 

[x_files]

There are times when a lawyer is better off to just shut-up.
This was one of them.
I also read that the book had been seized and was returned by LE and it was on the kitchen table in the house.


'In a statement to DailyMail.com, Vess Mitev, the lawyer representing Victoria Heuermann, 26 and Christopher Sheridan, 33, said neither he nor his clients had 'knowledge' of such a book.

He then offered a potential defense of them.

'It's not against the law to have books!' he said. '

No knowledge of such a graphic book but on their kitchen counter?
OK, right,? Sure, Jan.

If it was in storage, I would understand. Unless they just found it and the family doesn't understand why Rex owned it?

 

[x_files]

Not along the timeline that John Ray's witness claims to have been in the house.
She said that Asa was pregnant (with their daughter ) which would have made her son 6-7 yrs old.

If that's the case Asa, was into swinging or OK with Rex bringing home escorts and sex workers.

 

[Ruminations]

I'm still confused about LE questioning Asa.
CNN Video of Laura Coats questioning Bob Macedonio while the original search/seize was taking place in July 2023.
Except when LE arrived at her home the same time Rex was being arrested in NYC she hadn't been questioned/interrogated by LE.
Has she since?

video:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/08/01/gilgo-beach-suspect-wife-lawyer-robert-macedonio-cpt-hnk-vpx.cnn

It appears to me that LE had several voluntary conversations with Asa, including the day of Rex's arrest when she voluntarily gave a cheek swab.

LE can't detain a person without a justification, or make them speak. The justification cannot be, "I just know they know something." It's not like a legal proceeding where someone might be compelled to testify to facts and observations insofar as the testimony is not self-incriminating. For that reason, if a person says nothing of substance and chooses not to answer any questions, they are considered to be fully cooperating.

LE obviously wants any information possible. Being that they have little power to punish a person for not talking, the next best thing is to be as friendly as possible, and politely acknowledge "full cooperation" even if can amount to basically no help at all.

The vibe I get is Asa and her kids were pressured immediately to be that kind of cooperative-the basically no help at all kind. Obviously, they are witnesses to something's. For instance, that hotel bill issue that appeared ambiguous. Asa though her attorney only hostily argued that no hotel managers should be giving information. This is clearly the opposite of getting as much information to investigators as possible.

Who sent these attorneys to Asa?

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

There's one thing that would certainly give credence to John Ray's witness and her claim that it was Karen Vegata that was with them in the Heuermann residence.

She said that her boyfriend who was a NYC drug detective picked up a woman who was just released from jail/prison, she was homeless.
There's nothing unusual that a cop would know when a prisoner was being released and we also don't know what kind of relationship, if any, he could have had with her, the woman who supposedly was Karen.
Could she have been a drug informer, could he have arrested her for prostitution/drugs, the possibilities are endless but it looks like they were on good terms.

I've looked and never found the date when Karen was released from jail before she was last seen or reported missing but if it lines up with around the "Valentine Day" holiday and year that Ray's witness said it was when they took Karen to Rexs then another Pandora's Box was opened for LE.

We also don't know anything about when LE visited the NYC detective ex-boyfriend and what came of that.

 

[snooptroop88]

I like your acute thinking and possibilities, thank you.
Yes, I can even see him first bringing the young women to his home just to save money too.

Maybe so. Looking at his house, it looks like he was looking at every way imaginable to cut corners.

I tend to think he wouldn't cut corners, though, if it in any way risked detection. But maybe he was that careless. I mean, calling the victims' friends and families doesn't seem wise (although it doesn't really cost anything). And I mean-- the belt?? That's like a "signature" moment. It's actually kind of reckless. Did he enjoy risk?

 

[Izzylizzy]

No knowledge of such a graphic book but on their kitchen counter?
OK, right,? Sure, Jan.

If it was in storage, I would understand. Unless they just found it and the family doesn't understand why Rex owned it?

People do keep things for sentimental reasons, eh? (scream)

The book was seized last July and at some point LE returned it to them.

IMO: It's a book that very few people would purchase no less hold on to and leave it out on your kitchen table when it's connected to an accused serial killer who just so happens to be the husband and father of the current residence.

 

[x_files]

Maybe so. Looking at his house, it looks like he was looking at every way imaginable to cut corners.

I tend to think he wouldn't cut corners, though, if it in any way risked detection. But maybe he was that careless. I mean, calling the victims' friends and families doesn't seem wise (although it doesn't really cost anything). And I mean-- the belt?? That's like a "signature" moment. It's actually kind of reckless. Did he enjoy risk?

I think he felt he was SUPERIOR intellect to every one else including LE/FBI/Cops, or had friends in the force and felt untouchable.
Hubris often brings a criminal down. He wasn't caught after the first time and became more brazen with each murder.
It most likely gave him a thrill to terrorize the families.
Perhaps, Rex had a friend who was a cop, they both liked sex workers, a "party" went sideways someone got "hurt" and they kept this secret together for years. Leverage/blackmail material.
Just thinking out loud.

 

[dotr]

Does RH have A/C, did they take it?
Apr 05, 2024 rbbm

How air conditioners could solve crimes

The findings reveal a genetic fingerprint that even the smoothest criminals can't hide.

www.newsweek.com

''In a study published in the journal Electrophoresis, the Flinders team, led by Senior Forensic Science Lecturer Mariya Goray, investigated how air conditioning units and air filters could be used to sample the air at the scene of a crime to identify both the usual users of a room as well as any visitors.''

''Their results clearly demonstrate that human DNA can be collected on the surfaces of air-conditioner units as well as from the air. And while air samples are more likely to represent the most recent occupants of a room, particles that have settled on the surface of air conditioning units can give more information about the room's previous occupants.''

https://www.newsday.com › Long Island › Crime
''For City Urban Management of Great Neck, Heuermann was hired for a 2008 job at an eating-and-drinking establishment in the East Village. He was tasked with constructing interior partitions, hanging ceilings and installing plumbing fixtures, as well as doing mechanical HVAC ductwork. The work was disapproved.Aug 8, 2023'' rbbm.