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I'm pretty sure that anything that was not in an evidence bag or wrapping was just stuff they were moving out of the way. if so, that's far more telling to me. most of the stuff on that cart looks like stuff you would keep under the bathroom sink. I think they went into the plumbing again. as for the stuff in evidence boxes, nothing looked like it was heavy. I'm thinking textiles like clothing and sheets. or paperwork of some kind. jmo
 
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I'm asking myself: What is the plan for what should be searched and what should not? I would like to know these logistical processes.
Applications for search warrants are written as broadly as possible, the only limitation is knowing that it has to be reasonable to avoid going back and forth with a judge that may ask for edits/justification before they will approve the warrant. A search for evidence on this specific warrant, which could be located absolutely anywhere on the property, means every square inch can be searched.
What should not be searched is whatever is left off the warrant by LE/not authorized by the judge. So the plan is always to legally find evidence related to the investigation of a specific crime and if evidence of any other crime is discovered, it too is useable.
If a search warrant is for a stolen engine, dresser drawers would not be a reasonable place to search, a prosecutor may not file drugs charges for something found in the drawers if they aren't on the warrant.

Perhaps the question is why all the miscellaneous boxes are being hauled out of the house. The list below means they could take containers of crafting supplies that have tape, scissors, yarn, boxes of years' worth of financial records, photo albums, boxes of jewelry and so much more. Most all of this stuff will eventually be released but they can't tell right then if it is actually evidence.
MOO but retired LE experienced in search warrants.




Under "property sought" on the warrant, authorities put a lengthy list of items, many of which are listed as "trophies" which are personal items belonging to murder victims. That was to include their phones, articles of clothing, jewelry, identification, notebooks, ledgers, Bibles, personal effects and or photographs or recordings depicting the victims. Also sought were forensic and/or trace evidence, including DNA obtainable through fingernails, toenails, animal hair or fur, human hair and human skin fibers, bodily fluids as well as any latent fingerprints and palm prints. These things can be found on "furniture, mattresses, carpets, rugs, flooring, animal cages, crates, litters, playpens, beds, towers, steps (or) clothing." Electronic devices or computers in all their forms are listed on the warrant, along with any records, whether they be physical or electronic in nature. Other property sought is "any documents relating to the recent occupation/renting/tenancy/purchasing of known instrumentalities utilized in the designated offenses." This could include mail, bills or other similarly situated documents.Broadly, the warrant also mentions "any of the known instrumentalities involved in the commission of the designated offenses including...burlap (the remains of at least one of Heuermann's alleged victims was discovered wrapped in burlap), camouflage burlap fabric, 'jute-like' fabric, hunting blinds, restraints, belts, textile yarns, polyester fibers, cotton fibers," or any variety of tape. Other "trophy" items are listed separately, including condoms, cut distal ends of black leather belts, devices utilized to stamp letters onto leather goods, knives, scissors, cutting implements and "Bounty paper towels specifically from the Bounty Modern Print Collection." Firearms, magazines, cases, ammunition, bullet fragments and shell casings were listed as were "locked rooms, storage areas, vaults, cabinets, safes, closets, containers (including strong boxes, desks, drawers, suitcases, briefcases, boxes, hidden compartments or other such enclosures where items can be kept, hidden or secreted."
 
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Ya know, my great-uncle was married to a woman who hoarded newspapers. The entire house was stacked with them and there was basically a bunch of hallways made of newspaper stacks. I remember my brother and I sitting on the stacks as furniture.

They lived an hour or two away and we didn't visit them often, so I don't remember too many details.

I do know though, when she passed away, the newspaper where taken out of the house right away. The people helping my uncle uncovered a stash of Playboys in the bathroom. His reaction "Ohhhh i didn't put those there. Wonder why those are in here?" (cmon now :rolleyes:) He then married a woman about a week later that looked EXACTLY like her.

The point of this boring story? My uncle used the hoarding to hide things, maybe Rex did too?
YES!!! 100% agreed, honestly. I'm not saying "this happened," but I mean, surely this could be the case. Hiding in the hoard, it makes total sense. Like a guy with items he wants concealed-- like such a guy would discourage hoarding??

I don't think that special printer he has, though, is one of these items like the diapers. I'd be really worried about that printer in connection with the idea many people have on here about the possible dungeon/built-on secret space. SO creepy. NOT saying that it'll pan out, but it's just creepy they're interested in the printer.
 
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Armchair psychologist here (playing one on WS), Norman Bates meets Oedipus. There seems to be, at the root of serial killers of this ilk a deep-seated loathing of women. Madonna complex. He's almost a caricature, like the textbook version. Loves women, hates his mother. Loves his mother, hates women. Women are either motherly or they're xxxxxx. Maybe he decided his mother was both. We may never know his exact motivation but power had to be among them, deciding whom to kill and whom not to kill. So deviant. What horrors could those walls tell?

JMO, that and an OCD-type personality combined with long time addiction to porn and sex. Basically a person who has a very cold, uncaring personality, authoritarian, who became very addicted to sex and doing it exactly the way he wanted. It escalates as it becomes more difficult to get a thrill. Like many serial killers, it gets to the point where it consumes his whole life, his career, his family, etc.
 
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Why in the heck would LE be taking bags if unused diapers as evidence?
It is rare but sometimes victims of abduction are forced to wear them as their captors either hide them somewhere without plumbing or do not intend at all to let them leave the space to get to a restroom for multiple days.
 
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I'm pretty sure that anything that was not in an evidence bag or wrapping was just stuff they were moving out of the way. if so, that's far more telling to me. most of the stuff on that cart looks like stuff you would keep under the bathroom sink. I think they went into the plumbing again. as for the stuff in evidence boxes, nothing looked like it was heavy. I'm thinking textiles like clothing and sheets. or paperwork of some kind. jmo
Good point! I didn’t even notice that.

You’re right. They could just be looking at the plumbing or the space behind the bathroom sink. Perhaps if accessed the space behind the walls of the bathrooms and closets can be used to hide stuff, like in some NYC apartments or older homes with wooden-interiors.
 
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It is rare but sometimes victims of abduction are forced to wear them as their captors either hide them somewhere without plumbing or do not intend at all to let them leave the space to get to a restroom for multiple days.
I too wondered about that. I wondered if perhaps they found evidence of them on one or more of the victims. Not wearing the actual diaper. I'd think that would have been in MSM had they been found actually wearing them but maybe not. Either way, I was thinking of fibers, that they identified as being from a certain brand of disposable diapers, so put that on the search warrant and there they were. So they were taken. That's all I can think of because it's such an odd item to take. I'm not following this case closely but I don't believe there are any diaper-wearing aged children in the house. Not that adults can't wear them...
 
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Good point! I didn’t even notice that.

You’re right. They could just be looking at the plumbing or the space behind the bathroom sink. Perhaps if accessed the space behind the walls of the bathrooms and closets can be used to hide stuff, like in some NYC apartments or older homes with wooden-interiors.
MOO, but I don’t think things they need to move to just get out of the way for their work would be taken from the house. Police evidence rooms are already so jammed full and I’m sure LE has more important things to worry about than keeping track of stuff the just needed to be out of the way.

My opinion is that all the stuff they were removing is somehow evidence. There may be evidence tags or stickers on items (that we can’t see in photos) where they aren’t concerned about finger prints, DNA, etc. OMO.
 
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its possible he squirreled some of the stuff away when he was having work done on the house. you can look up the records for the work done on the house which includes a retrofitted HVAC system. plenty of opportunities to seal things up in the walls or ducts etc. whatever it is, I'm inclined to believe that it was from the initial search of the house. I think he really gets off on hiding things in plain sight, and maybe the evidence they're looking for wasn't blatantly obvious until they went through the first round of the search.
 
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MOO, but I don’t think things they need to move to just get out of the way for their work would be taken from the house. Police evidence rooms are already so jammed full and I’m sure LE has more important things to worry about than keeping track of stuff the just needed to be out of the way.

My opinion is that all the stuff they were removing is somehow evidence. There may be evidence tags or stickers on items (that we can’t see in photos) where they aren’t concerned about finger prints, DNA, etc. OMO.
they're keeping a tight lid on everything. that's why they staged the front yard with the tents positioned like that. there are very specific procedures for handling evidence as well. if you're going back into a possible serial killers home to search for the second time, you better believe it's gotta be for something highly specific, especially in the state of new york. anything of evidenciary value was most certainly hidden from public view. they are not chucking it into an evidence locker somewhere in Riverhead. they have whole separate field offices for all things related to this case. I wish this was the situation 12 years ago, but here we are.
 
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Oh!

And lots and lots of people wonder why Rex would never update his dilapidated old house?

Maybe he didn’t want any nosed workers around accidentally uncovering things.

Did they ever have company? Maybe he didn’t want many people in his house, EVER?
 
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Oh!

And lots and lots of people wonder why Rex would never update his dilapidated old house?

Maybe he didn’t want any nosed workers around accidentally uncovering things.

Did they ever have company? Maybe he didn’t want many people in his house, EVER?
having a house like that in an area like that says a lot about someone . your neighbors either think you are batshit crazy or an a hole. they will talk about you until the cows come home, but they will never talk to you, or more importantly, approach you about it. this is the Nassau County way. I think it was a subconscious urge with a practical side for him. a compulsion that also served multiple purposes. hoarding is a serious manifestation of obsessive compulsive disorder and trauma. take that for what it's worth.
 
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having a house like that in an area like that says a lot about someone . your neighbors either think you are batshit crazy or an a hole. they will talk about you until the cows come home, but they will never talk to you, or more importantly, approach you about it. this is the Nassau County way. I think it was a subconscious urge with a practical side for him. a compulsion that also served multiple purposes. hoarding is a serious manifestation of obsessive compulsive disorder and trauma. take that for what it's worth.
I’m leaning more toward AE being the main hoarder, but it came with a benefit to RH - avoiding visitors of any kind except maybe the swinging crowd.

Shouldn’t he have a manly and orderly man-cabin out in the woods somewhere? Under another name?
 
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I’m leaning more toward AE being the main hoarder, but it came with a benefit to RH - avoiding visitors of any kind except maybe the swinging crowd.

Shouldn’t he have a manly and orderly man-cabin out in the woods somewhere? Under another name?
the layout of that house is very common in that area, so I'm fairly certain what the inside setup is like. that house held 60 years of people's stuff (probably didn't take everything out when moving his mom). if I'm accurate about the layout, there is really very little storage (the attic, garage, and basement would really be it). I think it was probably heavily cluttered but common spaces were organized, then the cops came and dismantled everything making it look like a bigger mess than it was day to day.
it gave more more of the "organized chaos" vibe of someone with adhd overwhelm more than someone who holds onto their literal trash.
the things people hold onto says a lot about why they got like that in the first place.
 
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It is rare but sometimes victims of abduction are forced to wear them as their captors either hide them somewhere without plumbing or do not intend at all to let them leave the space to get to a restroom for multiple days.
Oh goodness...I just keep thinking how many lives were lost to this evil man </3
 
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I’m leaning more toward AE being the main hoarder, but it came with a benefit to RH - avoiding visitors of any kind except maybe the swinging crowd.

Shouldn’t he have a manly and orderly man-cabin out in the woods somewhere? Under another name?
Well, his neighbor said that he used to see him sitting outside the house late into the night, in his truck, so maybe he thought of his truck as his man cave? I thought that was kind of strange that he did that, but maybe that's the only way he could get some alone time. You'd think he'd have a designated room inside his house that was all his with a Do Not Enter sign on the door.

<modsnip: No source to RH watching videos or movies in his truck, only that he would sit in his truck late at night with the lights on>

Ugh. He's such a reprehensible creature.
 
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About the diapers, I just thought about Peaches’ toddler.
 
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About the diapers, I just thought about Peaches’ toddler.
The diapers are freaking me out as well. I thought at first likely just left there for years. But now that everyone's mentioning it, I mean like... how many years?? His daughter's how old, late 20s? Together with the talk about the dungeon/secret space, it's just... it's so creepy it's hard to fathom. I mean it is RH, so anything's possible, unfortunately. Checking now for MSM updates.
 
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I too wondered about that. I wondered if perhaps they found evidence of them on one or more of the victims. Not wearing the actual diaper. I'd think that would have been in MSM had they been found actually wearing them but maybe not. Either way, I was thinking of fibers, that they identified as being from a certain brand of disposable diapers, so put that on the search warrant and there they were. So they were taken. That's all I can think of because it's such an odd item to take. I'm not following this case closely but I don't believe there are any diaper-wearing aged children in the house. Not that adults can't wear them...
Nothing to do with diapers, sorry, but:
Suddenly I'm remembering the special paper towels, police were interested in. A special brand with a pattern, from long ago ..... The brand name escaped me atm. It wasn't Bounty or was it?

 
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Well, his neighbor said that he used to see him sitting outside the house late into the night, in his truck, so maybe he thought of his truck as his man cave? I thought that was kind of strange that he did that, but maybe that's the only way he could get some alone time. You'd think he'd have a designated room inside his house that was all his with a Do Not Enter sign on the door.

<modsnip: No source to RH watching videos or movies in his truck, only that he would sit in his truck late at night with the lights on>

Ugh. He's such a reprehensible creature.
Wonderful recall! Thanks. We know about the hundreds of electronic devices recovered in the first search of the home. Whether or not he recorded the killings, he might have recorded other known victims, giving LE proof he had contact with them. I wonder how he chose which SW to kill and which not to?

He didn't always have to kill them on the "first date" either. I think that's what happened with Shannan Gilbert and RH is why she freaked out when she got back to the house. While SG and the host were gone, people had arrived for the "party" and RH was one of them.

Also, if RH recorded the SWs, the backgrounds in his movies might lead some of the searches.

Hundreds of electronic devices -- who can imagine the evidence LE has found?

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