Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Just K]

After-the-fact knowledge has no bearing on her complicity in her father's alleged crimes. It literally is impossible to be guilty of a crime after it has already been committed.

There is no opinion, in any of my posts to suggest that VH was ever complicit in the activities of her father. My comment is referring to her art and how being exposed to images, websites or even actual photos of victims or seeing the actual torture or the final outcome of a madman’s “projects” would definitely influence her artwork…at the very least subliminally. Even if as a person over 18, she ultimately agreed to assist or participate in these horrific acts, this type of early exposure would not be the daughter’s fault.

 

[iamshadow21]

They were not her paintings or blog posts but he sure made it seem that way. Most of the images were from accounts she followed on Tumblr, no evidence she ever even saw those particular images. She did make the sculpture of the skull and the abstract painting JR claimed displayed a "furry bu++ plug". You can find her actual art by searching the username spelled out in the presser, it's juvenile and nothing like the examples he showed.

Yeah, I think a big problem is people not understanding how Tumblr works. Most people who have an account, 99.99% of what they 'post' is just other people's content reblogged. Very few have an account where they only post their own content, it's just not how the site operates.

It's an entire site that revolves around that impulse you get to share a meme with someone. Times infinity.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

BBM
It was about the fact that Rex was not leading a double life. That is what it was about.

IMO, John Ray did not prove that today. RH could have still hidden the murders from his family and shared some of his dark interests with them.

 

[AugustWest]

BBM
It was about the fact that Rex was not leading a double life. That is what it was about.

I'm talking about John Ray implying that she had anything to do with AC's murder. It's literally impossible for her to be guilty of anything to do with that, simply for the fact she was a minor at the time, and thus incapable of having the mental state for guilt.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I found this article that show a few paintings.

'Demonic' details revealed about Rex Heuermann and daughter: 'Human devils'

Attorney John Ray revealed chilling new details about the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann and his daughter, Victoria.

www.newsweek.com

Look at the image under the sentence below.
The date on the image is 12-8-23
Another one 11.28.23

She posted this on Tumbler after 7-13-23?


"Victoria's "true self is a very different self," Ray said."

'Demonic' details revealed about Rex Heuermann and daughter: 'Human devils'

Attorney John Ray revealed chilling new details about the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann and his daughter, Victoria.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Just K]

I found this article that show a few paintings.

'Demonic' details revealed about Rex Heuermann and daughter: 'Human devils'

Attorney John Ray revealed chilling new details about the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann and his daughter, Victoria.

www.newsweek.com

Wow, I suddenly remembered the tunnel at Gilgo Beach, the goth-like annd gory art, the headstones like a pathway and some creepy artists’ websites that we found back in 2011 or 2012. Fred, anyone else, do you remember this?

 

[fidgeypie]

The sad thing is there is still no justice for Peaches and Baby peaches Karen vergata Asian Doe Valerie Mack cherries any other victims that may have run across RH

 

[indicolite22]

There is no opinion, in any of my posts to suggest that VH was ever complicit in the activities of her father. My comment is referring to her art and how being exposed to images, websites or even actual photos of victims or seeing the actual torture or the final outcome of a madman’s “projects” would definitely influence her artwork…at the very least subliminally. Even if as a person over 18, she ultimately agreed to assist or participate in these horrific acts, this type of early exposure would not be the daughter’s fault.

While it is possible that she was exposed to some sort of evidence, I haven't seen any proof. She could have easily been influenced by her peers.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

dbm - doesn't matter what I wrote.

 

[Ruminations]

At this point, I'm absolutely not interested in what she has to say.

She's fine.

Look, I am so glad John Ray brought this into the discussion. But I also get why it is disturbing. Sheree is empathetic to VH and there is nothing wrong with empathy.

However, there is something wrong with ignoring relevant facts. VH's interests are relevant. Warwick has a point that it is worth exploring if she has fantasies of doing violence. But if she does not, and her art is simply processing what she has grown up with, but not what she is in danger of doing, it is still relevant to us. Because clearly the family was not unaware of Rex's alleged activities.

That is not a crime. But it tells us there are important potential witnesses. It is being repeated on this thread that Tierney makes an exaggerated point that the family was out of town. Well, by his own recent bail document, the victims were kept alive longer than we hoped. The AC hotel time share charge doesn't time the hotel stay. Purchases in AC do, and they indicate a shorter stay. (And weird purchases traveling as the only parent with young children.) It is also plausible that Rex wanted his family to have a good alibi that they would not bungle, more than he was sneaking around him.

Even if the family were out of town and entirely unaware of the crimes, they'd have to have SOME information. For example, the cover stories given which could lead LE to more clues. What if Rex told them he hit a curb with his truck and needed yo replace the tires. Yet for some reason, he cheated out and bought them used at a junk yard. Wouldn't that (entirely hypothetical) situation be useful to LE?

So why does Tierney insist on over-emphasizing that the family was out of town? Why mention it more than in passing...why not say that the murders charged seem to correspond to the family traveling, so we are interested in any witness who has information about what the suspect did or claimed he did during family vacations?

Tierney is showing hostility to getting all the information.

But back to VH and Sheree. Whatever happened, while it obviously did not leave VH ignorant, it also probably did not leave her unscathed. I am sure the press conference compounded the pain, and Sheree, like all of us, don't want to see VH hurt. But we do want facts.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

The sad thing is there is still no justice for Peaches and Baby peaches Karen vergata Asian Doe Valerie Mack cherries any other victims that may have run across RH

Has all the forensic evidence in their cases been processed yet?

 

[Warwick7]

There is no opinion, in any of my posts to suggest that VH was ever complicit in the activities of her father. My comment is referring to her art and how being exposed to images, websites or even actual photos of victims or seeing the actual torture or the final outcome of a madman’s “projects” would definitely influence her artwork…at the very least subliminally. Even if as a person over 18, she ultimately agreed to assist or participate in these horrific acts, this type of early exposure would not be the daughter’s fault.

BBM
I agree....
There is a high probability she was never complicit in her father's activities.

That said, as a member said earlier, her drawings, her art, her images, her sketches are gory and depict sexualized murderous torturous violence.

Some have details that are reminiscent of the charged murders. A missing shoe. Violence to genitalia post-mortem. An arm cut at the elbow. Marsh grass in the background.

She presumably produced these as a young adult, but the murders happened much earlier, as a member reminded us.

Is it possible to me she looked through her fathers things or was told about her fathers crimes- and she is processing as an artist would?

But obviously, the murders would not be a complete surprise to her

MOO and thank you to a previous member who brought these thoughts to my mind.

 

[minazoe]

There is no opinion, in any of my posts to suggest that VH was ever complicit in the activities of her father. My comment is referring to her art and how being exposed to images, websites or even actual photos of victims or seeing the actual torture or the final outcome of a madman’s “projects” would definitely influence her artwork…at the very least subliminally. Even if as a person over 18, she ultimately agreed to assist or participate in these horrific acts, this type of early exposure would not be the daughter’s fault.

not the daughters fault as a child and having been a child myself, I know that it's damm near impossible to hide things in your home from a child. If the parent is distracted or at work or not aware , that child can be unearthing every last bit of your life. with a learning issues brother etc, she may have been left to her own devices.

as an example ...finds the porn stash..finds open files in the cloud, finds bloody things, finds videos, polaroids,
witnesses a murder. How about if Rex is leaving things around for a child to find, pretending it's a game..all of this could be intentional grooming . I would like her to read her writing, I would like to hear a casual discussion of her artwork, I would like to question her. I think at the very least she should be questioned. but lawyers are not going to allow it. Does she have any friends..?

ghastly scene. horrid people. mOO

 

[DS2021]

yep
is anyone really surprised that some of the girl's families dropped him like a hot potato

https://twitter.com/x/status/1801318160903323719

Another reminder after todays crapstorm

 

[Ruminations]

While it is possible that she was exposed to some sort of evidence, I haven't seen any proof. She could have easily been influenced by her peers.

Proof? This is an investigation. We follow leads. And it is very possible she was exposed to evidence. It is painfully obvious Tierney doesn't want it all. He is walking a fine line between the Jimmy The King gang and the breakthroughs made under Harrison and partially thanks to John Ray.

Proof is later.

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

I think John Ray is desperately trying to stay relevant to the case. That press conference was a car crash.

I respectfully disagree.

 

[fidgeypie]

Has all the forensic evidence in their cases been processed yet?

I don't know but if there are hairs on six victims I'm hopeful for the rest

 

[minazoe]

maybe when Rex mentions Stockholm Syndrome (book? study? can't remember), he is referring to his wife and children.

 

[x_files]

Yeah, I think a big problem is people not understanding how Tumblr works. Most people who have an account, 99.99% of what they 'post' is just other people's content reblogged. Very few have an account where they only post their own content, it's just not how the site operates.

It's an entire site that revolves around that impulse you get to share a meme with someone. Times infinity.

MOO

She has disturbing tastes in art, s&m, bondage and rape. Which strangely reflects her father's interests.

 

[Not a Belle]

Proof? This is an investigation. We follow leads. And it is very possible she was exposed to evidence. It is painfully obvious Tierney doesn't want it all. He is walking a fine line between the Jimmy The King gang and the breakthroughs made under Harrison and partially thanks to John Ray.

Proof is late

MOO

Who are “we”? LE certainly (hopefully) follows leads. We (non-LE, not actually working this case) follow news, etc. but have no right to anything else, including statements of any kind from victims, even if they made “sleazy deals.”