Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Forest_Wood]

No, that is NOT all he did. And I've already elaborated on this upthread.

Yes he did point out her wearing a skeleton on her shirt which you neglected to mention. Yes, I've read what you wrote and disagree with your analogy about rape victims. Not the same at all imo.

 

[jesse]

The main point is, the family members are important witnesses

MOO

That was not even remotely his main point.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I don't see the analogy of that whatsoever. He pointed out her wearing a shirt of a skeleton after her father was charged with serial killing. How is that related to blaming a rape victim for what she wore? MOO.

May 9, 2011-

"It's still not clear whether a skull found alone Monday"

"Dismembered body of Jessica Taylor identified from beached bones."

'The skeletal remains of at least eight murder victims found on a remote stretch of New York beach '

At Least Three Killers Dumped Bodies on Long Island Beach

New York police investigating the Long Island serial killer have concluded that at least three murderers -- and possibly four killers -- left their victims' bodies along a stretch of New York beach. A skull found recently was determined to be part of the dismembered body of Jessica Taylor. Much...

abcnews.go.com

 

[Ruminations]

That was not even remotely his main point.

It was his point.

VH's interests show John Ray that VH is not in the dark about Rex's interests.

If she is not in the dark, she knows something.

If she knows something, she is a witness.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

How was John Ray responsible for discovering who Rex Heuermann was and how he was connected to some of these crimes ? You lost me.

Suffolk County PD had let the cases of the Gilgo Beach and other women go cold. It was ongoing pressure from JR and other members of the public that finally resulted in bringing in a new leader to form a task force made up of other LE agencies in addition to Suffolk PD. After 13 years of delays, the case was solved in several weeks time when an officer found an old tip in the files that hadn't been investigated

Gilgo Beach Murders: How one man's tip helped crack the case

The man they were looking for was a towering, Frankenstein-like figure with an "empty gaze" who drove a first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche, Schaller recalled telling investigators.

abc7ny.com

JR and the victims family members continued to raise a lot of "awareness" about these cold cases.

If you have the time, you might want to go back and read some of the old news articles about all the problems with the LE running the investigation into these murders. Some ended up being tried for crimes. IIRC, some are still in jail or prison.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yes he did point out her wearing a skeleton on her shirt which you neglected to mention. Yes, I've read what you wrote and disagree with your analogy about rape victims. Not the same at all imo.

Images in link that were sent to Newsweek by JR.
He spoke of these images that VH either re-blogged or posted to herself on her Tumblir account.

Victoria Heuermann's 'Demonic' Artwork: Breakdown of the sadistic images

Attorney John Ray shared the "sadistic" images that Victoria Heuermann, the daughter of Rex Heuermann, was creating and viewing.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Betty P]

May 9, 2011-

"It's still not clear whether a skull found alone Monday"

"Dismembered body of Jessica Taylor identified from beached bones."

'The skeletal remains of at least eight murder victims found on a remote stretch of New York beach '

At Least Three Killers Dumped Bodies on Long Island Beach

New York police investigating the Long Island serial killer have concluded that at least three murderers -- and possibly four killers -- left their victims' bodies along a stretch of New York beach. A skull found recently was determined to be part of the dismembered body of Jessica Taylor. Much...

abcnews.go.com

It's disturbing and disrespectful to the victims of Rex Heuermann and to their families who have waited so long. Wearing clothing covered in skeletons, Ugh. Depictions of cannibalism, of people hanging from hooks, as her father is alleged to have done in his basement.

 

[kittythehare]

Channel 8

Thanks for link, I just watched it now.
Very controversial.

I'm sex+, no judgement.

Unlike many others, I have tremendous respect and fondness for John. He has massive dedication and loyalty towards his clients and he never did it for money.

I believe his findings disturbed and worried him greatly. That's understandable because of his character.

He has never been accepted in mainstream, has been shunned, mocked and kicked around by those with far fewer morals and ethics. Despite that, he never sold out. It's my greatest wish for him and for Shanann that they receive justice and resolution before he dies. He knows more than any of us and has witnessed first hand the shenanigans of the police. He does not trust them yet.

Neither do I.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yeah. I rewatched the press conference. What you said was not what occurred.

He never characterizes VH as the W word, or emphasized make up as you told me he did. He showed her profile picture which is not sexualized at all. It is just edgy.

When he talks about her clothing it's stuff like, right after her father was arrested she is wearing a skeleton tee shirt. WDF!? That is very inappropriate, and if it were the only shirt she had, why not wear it inside out or backwards.

It is possible VH was trying to make sense of her father- she was following some of the same disgusting content he was.

I tend to think her intentions were to process what she knew, saw, suspected. I don't tend to think she participated in murders. But even the mildest reasons for her heading this way in tumblr, processing her father, confirm John Ray's main point.

The main point is, the family members are important witnesses

MOO

I clearly wasn't quoting the man verbatim, Ruminations. <modsnip> What I said was that he showed a photo of Victoria in casual wear with a backpack and he said she portrayed herself as an innocent " school girl", and then he showed a picture of her in sexier (or edgier, if you prefer) clothing and said, "THIS is the REAL Victoria Heuermann. " That has a flavor, imo.

 

[Ursamajr]

Why, WHY would you assume that Ray has access to information LE doesn't? This assumption that he's the final word over LE, who have far more resources at their disposal is really concerning.

I don't. Why do you assume I do? I was replying to someone who asked why John Ray thinks Asa's alibi is questionable. I replied with the answer John Ray gave as to why he thinks Asa's alibi is questionable. Could you point me where I said I believe John Ray hook, line, and sinker? Thanks.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes he did point out her wearing a skeleton on her shirt which you neglected to mention. Yes, I've read what you wrote and disagree with your analogy about rape victims. Not the same at all imo.

It's victim shaming in my book (since VH has NEVER been charged with anything in relation to this case). We'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I guess there's a new breadwinner in the family!

Also ought to be interesting as to who paid the taxes? And who the property is owned or titled to? And if there have been any recent transfers or possible ownership changes? At least one of the individuals, RH, is currently being held in jail. And IIRC, I thought there has been discussion way up thread that there was supposed a divorce filing between the parties AE and / or RH? MOO

 

[fred&edna]

not necessarily. I follow accounts that have decent-sized followings or if they follow me as that means when I post more people will see my posts - or that is the hope. I never even look at most of the accounts.

I understand. I suppose the real importance for all these (unknown) followers is in an effort in selling/promoting yourself/your work. jmo


ETA: Truth and genuineness seems to grow farther away everyday. It's just clicks. jmo

 

[dotr]

Paramount Press Express | “48 HOURS” CRIME TIME DOUBLE FEATURE: TWO SERIAL KILLINGS INVESTIGATED

Back-to-Back Encore Episodes All Summer Saturday, June 15 9:00 PM – The disappearance of three women in the early 2000s led their families on paths fil

www.paramountpressexpress.com

Saturday, June 15
''10:00 PM – 48 HOURS correspondent Erin Moriarty uncovers chilling details about alleged killer Rex Heuermann in an encore of “The Gilgo Beach Serial Killings,” to be broadcast Saturday, June 15 (10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network, and streaming on Paramount+. Moriarty, who has been covering the Gilgo Beach case since 2010, interviews Muriel Henriquez, who worked with Heuermann at his company, RH Consultants & Associates, and shares her troubling firsthand experiences with her former boss. 48 HOURS has covered the case in six editions and has featured multiple exclusive interviews, including the first interview with victim Amber Costello’s roommate, Dave Schaller, who police say described one of Costello’s most persistent clients and the vehicle he drove. Those descriptions would ultimately lead to the biggest break in the case – and Heuermann’s arrest.''

 

[LadyL]

A user might *Like* a particular artwork, by a creator. It doesn’t mean they view or read everything that creator posts.

A user might “follow” another for a million possible reasons, doesn’t mean they are commited to it, may never look at their work ever again.

This is “networking” followers and following.

He references likes/material from 2015! He’s sneaking into high school girl diary !

His method today, and starting with her “school girl clothes” was ridiculous. I was expecting a plaid skirt, knee socks and saddle shoes. She was wearing normal adult casual … wtf?

those young-ish people standing behind him at the press conference didn't do him any favours not knowing how Tumblr works and let him make a fool of himself

I wonder if they have figured it out yet ... maybe by reading along here

 

[gremlin444]

John Ray claims that though Asa was booked for a room at the Flagship Hotel in Atlantic City from July 6th or 7th, 2007 on, she didn't actually check in until the 17th. He claims he called the hotel to confirm the dates of the alibi and he learned of the discrepancy. Since Maureen Brainard Barnes went missing on July 9th he claims that Asa could have been present especially since her hair was found in the belt buckle/not on the tape.

Did he say when he did this?

I find it really hard to believe that in 2024 (or anytime in say the last 5 years), a phone call to the front desk of a hotel by someone who is not LE and/or has no legal document allowing them to receive such information would both 1) get a front desk person who is willing to divulge any confidential customer information AND 2) be able to access hotel check-in records from 2007 (database changes over time, length of time that such information is kept in front desk accessible databases, etc).

 

[fred&edna]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed

I know many names are duplicated but it does seem a bit strange if her old website AND the tumblr account were exactly the same but owned by two different people. Was the name of her old website mentioned long ago in a news report or website or something?

And, as an aside... This is one of the longest-running, most horrendous, and completely bizarre (regarding culprits, victims, lawyers, press, LE, etc, etc) cases I've ever seen.

jmo

 

[LadyL]

After letting this settle in my mind for a few hours, I am now setting aside the presser info until and unless verified by LE in some way that is meaningful to the case.

I do stick with my original impression, however, in that he is a shark circling Asa. I am expecting at least one more presser from JR that focuses directly on her.

jmopinion at the moment, subject to change as we learn more

hopefully no one gives him the time of day again

 

[Ursamajr]

Did he say when he did this?

I find it really hard to believe that in 2024 (or anytime in say the last 5 years), a phone call to the front desk of a hotel by someone who is not LE and/or has no legal document allowing them to receive such information would both 1) get a front desk person who is willing to divulge any confidential customer information AND 2) be able to access hotel check-in records from 2007 (database changes over time, length of time that such information is kept in front desk accessible databases, etc).

I completely agree but he claims he has and did. Just pointing out that I have written "he claims". This in no way is me saying that he is correct or that I agree or me saying I know more or anything other than stating that John Ray CLAIMS. Seems like I have to put a disclaimer. Anyway, he was claiming this about 4 months ago on the youtube circuit to anyone who would have him on.

 

[Warwick7]

John Ray claims that though Asa was booked for a room at the Flagship Hotel in Atlantic City from July 6th or 7th, 2007 on, she didn't actually check in until the 17th. He claims he called the hotel to confirm the dates of the alibi and he learned of the discrepancy. Since Maureen Brainard Barnes went missing on July 9th he claims that Asa could have been present especially since her hair was found in the belt buckle/not on the tape.

I didn't catch this today.
Hmmmm.......