Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[imstilla.grandma]

One thing that jumped out to me in the video you posted is how Tierney states, around :20 seconds, that RH had a significant collection of violent bondage and torture *advertiser censored* dating back to 1994. That's the first I've noticed they assigned a start date to his *advertiser censored* collection. I wonder if his collection was hard copy in addition to digital images.
MOO.

I get the impression he prob did have hard copies because looking at a touchable item feels different than when you see it online. I think it feels more personal.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I get the impression he prob did have hard copies because looking at a touchable item feels different than when you see it online. I think it feels more personal.

I don't know if that's when his p.o.r.n. fetish started in 1994 or that's just as far back as LE could find, but 1994 was after his first wife and mother left the home in '93, after his first known kill in '93, and before he married AE. I wonder if there were magazines and books in plain sight around his home when she met him and married him.
MOO.

 

[indicolite22]

"In twenty years of involvement in the field of serial murder research, I have never seen anything like this press conference," Enzo Yaksic, who runs the Atypical Homicide Research Group, told Newsweek. "Nothing shown translates into the propensity to commit violence."

Yaksic went on to say that if Ray's team's logic is correct, then the millions of true crime fans are also "capable of committing homicide."

"It is beyond preposterous to claim that a family is involved in witchcraft and cannibalism as part of a larger network of people," Yaksic said.

"The fact that she had a painting of the bodies, does not mean she was involved with these killings," said forensic psychologist Eric Hickey told Newsweek. "It's highly unlikely."

...Hickey told Newsweek that it's "highly unlikely" that the Heuermann family knew about Rex's alleged actions.

More at:

Rex Heuermann's daughter involved in murders 'beyond preposterous': Experts

Experts are blasting claims that Rex Heuermann's daughter is anyway involved in the Gilgo Beach murders, calling the idea "beyond preposterous."

www.newsweek.com

 

[IDK]

“I do not agree with anything John Ray is doing,” Sherre Gilbert, sister of Shannan Gilbert, wrote on X. “This is disrespectful and I had no prior knowledge to this ‘press conference’ or the ‘evidence’ he was presenting today. He should’ve been there to discuss Shannan’s case period! He cuts his nose to spite his face! I do not support nor condone his actions whatsoever!”

Attorney John Ray Blasted for Claims About Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Suspect Rex Heuermann’s Daughter

Attorneys for the family of Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann blasted John Ray, the attorney who has represented families of Gilgo Beach serial killer victims, for implying the suspect’s daughter may have been involved.

www.longislandpress.com

“I do not agree with anything John Ray is doing,” Sherre Gilbert, sister of Shannan Gilbert, wrote on X. “This is disrespectful and I had no prior knowledge to this ‘press conference’ or the ‘evidence’ he was presenting today. He should’ve been there to discuss Shannan’s case period! He cuts his nose to spite his face! I do not support nor condone his actions whatsoever!””

This quote from Sherre Gilbert says it all, IMO.
As the sister of a victim who was marginalized and vilified unfairly, it appears she does not want the same thing to happen to VH.

There are enough victims already, IMO.

 

[Ruminations]

Shannan's sister has empathy for VH. There is nothing wrong with her expressing that.

John Ray has information. There is nothing wrong with his presenting it.

However, BTK's daughter is just wrong to say that John Ray has no credibility. He has yet to give us wrong information.

It makes me wonder if she doesn't want the case solved. She was part of what "you and yours" did to cause Rex to thank Dennis R.

I do not understand resistance to information. I don't understand why anyone can claim John Ray has given them wrong information in the past. Without him, we have no Oak Beach affidavits, no swinger affidavit, no cab driver affidavit, no 911 call, less clear information about the family traveling to AC (a very strange vacay with little kids) during MBB's murder, no insight into his daughter being interested in LISK-like media.

I am very thankful to John Ray for all he has brought us. None of it has been untrue. Sometimes, I have not agreed with the inferences he makes about the information, but that's okay. It's pretty much what we do here is develop theories.

MOO

 

[fred&edna]

I'm still going through old LISK forum threads and found this post #13 very insightful for 2016. Maybe everyone already knew that serial killers studied other serial killers, I surely didn't.

Serial killers study other serial killers, it may be a mutual admiration thing. They are also somewhat of celebrities in jail. I recall being told a story by a guard in the Nassau County lock up, Rifkin was having an argument with Colin Ferguson about who killed more, Ferguson's come back was they Rifkin may have killed more, but they were all women.

Back to the celebrity thing, these inmates may be shunned by other inmates but they are immensely popular with the outside world. Especially with women. I saw an article on the BTK killer, he got more mail than anyone else he was locked up with. Serial killers may be misfits on the outside, but they do revel in their fan base.

Rifkin would be the first guy I would talk with on the LISK case. I don't know if Ridgway was approached for his input. Most of these guys are deep down cut out of the same bolt of cloth.

Post can be found on Page 3 of this thread: Joel Rifkin's thoughts on LISK

 

[indicolite22]

We heard people with investigative background and families all criticize the latest JR's stunt. JR is making a lot of mistakes lately. For example, his accusations against AE have never been corroborated by police.

 

[indicolite22]

“The evidence that we have suggests that we have been sold a story by the Heuermann family,” he said, without offering anything to back up his wild assertions beyond photos.

Lawyer Misty Marris told “NewsNation Now” the “circumstantial evidence” proves nothing.

“To implicate the family at this point, without evidence, without the task force or prosecutors making that link, it just seems incredibly premature,” Marris said.

Attorney claims accused Gilgo Beach serial killer did not live ‘double life’

No members of Rex Heuermann’s family have been charged with crimes in relation to the case

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Ruminations]

We heard people with investigative background and families all criticize the latest JR's stunt. JR is making a lot of mistakes lately. For example, his accusations against AE have never been corroborated by police.

I do find it interesting that John Ray attracts a lot of backlash.

It is not in proportion to just anybody spouting theories.

Maybe part of the reason he gets the backlash is related to his contribution of many solid facts to this case. The municipality involved has a long history of corruption. There was a palpable resistance to solving LISK, but John Ray persisted in getting very important information.

Right now, the "good guys" are managing to make progress, but there were decades the case just went cold. The breakthrough of the good guys was when Rodney Harrison was police commissioner. He partnered with John Ray on the down low until it was near the end of his appointment, when he made the relationship public.

John Ray is a big part of this case moving forward...becoming not cold.

My theory is that is why you see the backlash. Some people wanted it to stay cold.

MOO

 

[LR1]

It makes me wonder if she doesn't want the case solved. She was part of what "you and yours" did to cause Rex to thank Dennis R.

It was KHJ not BTK that Heuermann thanked with the "you and your's" quote.​

 

[indicolite22]

I do find it interesting that John Ray attracts a lot of backlash.

It is not in proportion to just anybody spouting theories.

Maybe part of the reason he gets the backlash is related to his contribution of many solid facts to this case. The municipality involved has a long history of corruption. There was a palpable resistance to solving LISK, but John Ray persisted in getting very important information.

Right now, the "good guys" are managing to make progress, but there were decades the case just went cold. The breakthrough of the good guys was when Rodney Harrison was police commissioner. He partnered with John Ray on the down low until it was near the end of his appointment, when he made the relationship public.

John Ray is a big part of this case moving forward...becoming not cold.

My theory is that is why you see the backlash. Some people wanted it to stay cold.

MOO

I've seen plenty of criticism coming from police and lawyer circles who do not have a dog in this fight, but know a thing or two about investigative methods and practices, including what can be considered evidence. It also comes from people who were on JR's side before he stared accusing the family.

 

[indicolite22]

JR's ex-law partner Vess Mitev's response:

"We don’t typically respond to frivolous sideshows, but we had to because the reputation and the character of these two young children who I represent is unimpeachable. This man is cosplaying as an attorney.”

Attorney John Ray Blasted for Claims About Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Suspect Rex Heuermann’s Daughter

Attorneys for the family of Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann blasted John Ray, the attorney who has represented families of Gilgo Beach serial killer victims, for implying the suspect’s daughter may have been involved.

www.longislandpress.com

 

[Ruminations]

JR's ex-law partner Vess Mitev's response:

"We don’t typically respond to frivolous sideshows, but we had to because the reputation and the character of these two young children who I represent is unimpeachable. This man is cosplaying as an attorney.”

Attorney John Ray Blasted for Claims About Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Suspect Rex Heuermann’s Daughter

Attorneys for the family of Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann blasted John Ray, the attorney who has represented families of Gilgo Beach serial killer victims, for implying the suspect’s daughter may have been involved.

www.longislandpress.com

Ummm....okay.

I would think the person quoted here has a dog in the fight.

Just saying, there is no evidence at all from a single thing that has left the lips of the attorneys, who just appeared like magic as fast as an attorney for Rex, have any interest in solving the case, nor have they bothered to offer more than a sentence or two for the murdered women.

John Ray attracts criticism because John Ray has never helped the people who let this case go cold.

It smells to me like the very same people who let this case go cold got the handlers into Asa and family stat, and immediately released statements criticizing LE. Thats who this article is quoting.

MOO

 

[Teche]

I'm confused what you mean by the name/number and where it could be written.

I just googled "Pandora's Box" NYC and there was no way in hell I was going to click on any of the numerous links after reading the snips. lol

I seem to remember that an invitation to a swinger’s party with Rex’s address was posted on a wall or bulletin board. A couple read the invitation and went to Rex’s house.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I seem to remember that an invitation to a swinger’s party with Rex’s address was posted on a wall or bulletin board. A couple read the invitation and went to Rex’s house.

That was "Le Trapeze" another sex club in NYC.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Ummm....okay.

I would think the person quoted here has a dog in the fight.

Just saying, there is no evidence at all from a single thing that has left the lips of the attorneys, who just appeared like magic as fast as an attorney for Rex, have any interest in solving the case, nor have they bothered to offer more than a sentence or two for the murdered women.

John Ray attracts criticism because John Ray has never helped the people who let this case go cold.

It smells to me like the very same people who let this case go cold got the handlers into Asa and family stat, and immediately released statements criticizing LE. Thats who this article is quoting.

MOO

Attorney Michael Brown (RH) had been law partners with Bob Macedonio (AE)

Vess Mitev ( VH-CS) had worked in John Ray's law firm.

 

[Teche]

That was "Le Trapeze" another sex club in NYC.

Yes. I believe that was the club.

 

[zvzvzvzv]

Shannan's sister has empathy for VH. There is nothing wrong with her expressing that.

John Ray has information. There is nothing wrong with his presenting it.

However, BTK's daughter is just wrong to say that John Ray has no credibility. He has yet to give us wrong information.

It makes me wonder if she doesn't want the case solved. She was part of what "you and yours" did to cause Rex to thank Dennis R.

I do not understand resistance to information. I don't understand why anyone can claim John Ray has given them wrong information in the past. Without him, we have no Oak Beach affidavits, no swinger affidavit, no cab driver affidavit, no 911 call, less clear information about the family traveling to AC (a very strange vacay with little kids) during MBB's murder, no insight into his daughter being interested in LISK-like media.

I am very thankful to John Ray for all he has brought us. None of it has been untrue. Sometimes, I have not agreed with the inferences he makes about the information, but that's okay. It's pretty much what we do here is develop theories.

MOO

The press conference Thursday was virtually all misinformation. Sure he can interpret what he likes from her clay skull or abstract painting, the few things she made herself. For some reason he avoided showing most of her original art, probably because it's not scary at all. He manufactured the idea that VH was looking at the gore images when it was only John Ray or his team seeking them out. She never posted, 'liked' or re-posted any of the gore and most of his examples were posted years after VH ceased activity on Tumblr. He explicitly said multiple times that VH looked at those images, not even that she may have, could have, "I think she did". He lied and said that she was looking at them with no proof while evidence we do have based on Tumblr activity says it's highly unlikely she saw any of that before the press conference assuming she watched it. So ironically John Ray may have made her look at these things.

 

[kdsmith21]

“Skeletal remains found at Long Island construction site June 11, 2024​

WOODBURY, N.Y. (PIX11) – Skeletal remains were found at a construction site in Woodbury Monday afternoon, according to the Nassau County Police Department.

Officers dug into the ground on Fairhaven Boulevard near Pond Road around 4 p.m. Monday and found the skeletal remains buried, police said.”

Did anyone else see this story? I immediately thought could this be another Rex victim. Is Pond RD near any of the other body placement sites? I seem to recall Pond rd somewhere else from this case.

Or is it near any building that RH was an architect for?

Just to add, we don't actually know when those victims died.
We know when they went missing but we have no idea how long he kept them alive for 'playtime'. It could have been days weeks or even months.

I would think they were dead and disposed of before his wife returned from vacation

Unless he had another torture spot besides his basement

If she was aware, he would not have taken his victims when she was on vacation

 

[x_files]

Shannan's sister has empathy for VH. There is nothing wrong with her expressing that.

John Ray has information. There is nothing wrong with his presenting it.

However, BTK's daughter is just wrong to say that John Ray has no credibility. He has yet to give us wrong information.

It makes me wonder if she doesn't want the case solved. She was part of what "you and yours" did to cause Rex to thank Dennis R.

I do not understand resistance to information. I don't understand why anyone can claim John Ray has given them wrong information in the past. Without him, we have no Oak Beach affidavits, no swinger affidavit, no cab driver affidavit, no 911 call, less clear information about the family traveling to AC (a very strange vacay with little kids) during MBB's murder, no insight into his daughter being interested in LISK-like media.

I am very thankful to John Ray for all he has brought us. None of it has been untrue. Sometimes, I have not agreed with the inferences he makes about the information, but that's okay. It's pretty much what we do here is develop theories.

MOO

Without proof, BTK's daughter may find herself sued for defamation of JR's character.