Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Ruminations]

I personally doubt the names of the victims was a factor for Rex.

M is a common first initial. And when a person does business under an alternate name or names, the odds at least double that one of the names, given or assumed, will be an M name.

MOO

Most Common Letters In Names - Word Raiders

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[Friday13]

I personally doubt the names of the victims was a factor for Rex.

M is a common first initial. And when a person does business under an alternate name or names, the odds at least double that one of the names, given or assumed, will be an M name.

MOO

Most Common Letters In Names - Word Raiders

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I agree. I think most of the victims did not use their real names when they advertised or set up dates. Somehow RH did know Melissa’s real name because didn’t he call her sister and specifically say her name in the call? But I’m certain it’s just a coincidence that a lot of the victims had names starting with M, and I highly doubt he knew most of their true names.

 

[FromGermany1]

I agree. I think most of the victims did not use their real names when they advertised or set up dates. Somehow RH did know Melissa’s real name because didn’t he call her sister and specifically say her name in the call? But I’m certain it’s just a coincidence that a lot of the victims had names starting with M, and I highly doubt he knew most of their true names.

Maybe, it was his "hobby" too to stalk the girls before having intimate contact with them, and it meant power to him, when he found out their real names?

 

[Diddian]

Someone here was recently posting the possibility that RH might be responsible for the New Bedford victims. I recently read Shallow Graves by Maureen Boyle, a book about those murders and something caught my attention:

LE investigators from New Bedford traveled to Florida to watch a suspect in the murders who had recently moved from New Bedford to Florida and noted that a man named Paul Riley, a former corrections officer from New Bedford, lived in the duplex next door to that suspect (Kenny Ponte) and he was a friend of Ponte’s. Riley was sharing the names of various women with whom Ponte associated. Quoting the investigators recalling what Riley told them: “Two heavy-set sisters used to hang out with Kenny in New Bedford…there was a woman named Rochelle from the Cape who was there too, in 1988. In Florida he thought a woman named Linda stayed with Kenny along with a short, very thin blonde woman named Mary. Yet another woman named Amber who spent some time in the Hillsboro County Jail was also there in Florida at one time.” (ETA: from Chapter 9: Looking in Other Corners.)

I think I recall from watching “The Killing Season,” that Amber Costello’s sister, Kim mentioned that Amber had been living in Florida and was jailed there before moving to Long Island.

Has this reference to an “Amber” by Riley in association with the New Bedford case been explored here. (I am late coming to this case.)

 

[eishish]

Just my own thoughts but I think the dolls were perhaps left by a local resident as a way to shame, ridicule and disrespect the victims even in death. This individual may have their own bias against sex workers and both dehumanize and discriminate them. The way the dolls are posed with either their backs turned or faces covered seemed to be the way the person projects their own thoughts and feelings regarding sex work onto the victims. They also seem to mock the victims. It seems IMO cruel or just another way to taunt those who have already been denied their right to life, safety, freedom and justice for so long.

It reminded me of how the SCPD and the media also dehumanized the victims found at Gilgo Beach back in 2011 when their remains were first discovered. Their murders were disregarded as well deserved punishments for being sex workers. They were treated as people who cases needed to be solved, whose murders were of course unjust or like fellow human beings who were entitled to safety. Unfortunately, instead of portraying them as those you can see same light as friends, sisters, brothers, neighbor, classmates and such they were just labeled as prostitutes, portrayed as criminals while their lives and deaths were harshly treated like burdensome trash unworthy of empathy or compassion.

MOO

Could not velieve

Someone here was recently posting the possibility that RH might be responsible for the New Bedford victims. I recently read Shallow Graves by Maureen Boyle, a book about those murders and something caught my attention:

Police in New Bedford went to Florida to investigate a suspect in those murders and noted that a man named Paul Riley, a former corrections officer from New Bedford, lived in the duplex next door to that suspect (Kenny Ponte) and he was a friend of Ponte’s. Riley was sharing the names of various women with whom Ponte associated. Quoting the investigators recalling what Riley told them: “Two heavy-set sisters used to hang out with Kenny in New Bedford…there was a woman named Rochelle from the Cape who was there too, in 1988. In Florida he thought a woman named Linda stayed with Kenny along with a short, very thin blonde woman named Mary. Yet another woman named Amber who spent some time in the Hillsboro County Jail was also there in Florida at one time.”

I think I recall from watching “The Killing Season,” that Amber Costello’s sister, Kim mentioned that Amber had been living in Florida and was jailed there before moving to Long Island.

Has this reference to an “Amber” by Riley in association with the New Bedford case been explored here. (I am late coming to this case.)

No, no one has posted that and Wow. As i recall Rex had a property in fl. There i def something afoot no matter what. 18 vehicles and a tent at rt 88, ty

 

[Izzylizzy]

DBM

 

[Izzylizzy]

No. Macedonio said that the swinger affadavit's statement wasn't true because Asa was pregnant with Victoria at that time. Asa couldn't have Victoria in 1997 and be pregnant with her anytime near Valentine's Day, 1996.

(It was a little rich to listen to male attorneys announce brand new pregnancy
and discuss the impact on the pregnant person's sexual activity, as I recall.)

When Amber Costello disappeared in September of 2010, VH was a month shy of her 14th birthday. 2010-14=1996

Daughter's DNA Helped Link Gilgo Suspect Rex Heuermann To Murders: DA

Nuclear DNA technology led to new information, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney says.

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MOO

Why did Macedonio even go there suggesting that LP, her narc boyfriend and KV actually could have been at Asa's house?

 

[Ruminations]

Why did Macedonio even go there suggesting that LP, her narc boyfriend and KV actually could have been at Asa's house?

Because his ethical and intellectual levels are similar?

Yes, Macedonio did confirm some elements of the witness's statement. He confirmed they were there. He confirmed that Asa did not have sex with the witness.

It reminds me of how he keeps trying to defend Rex, but then announces that the family hairs were transferred to the bodies, presumably by Rex.

I would like to know who sent that formally disbarred lawyer into to do the job of discrediting Asa and the investigation.

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Because his ethical and intellectual levels are similar?

Yes, Macedonio did confirm some elements of the witness's statement. He confirmed they were there. He confirmed that Asa did not have sex with the witness.

It reminds me of how he keeps trying to defend Rex, but then announces that the family hairs were transferred to the bodies, presumably by Rex.

I would like to know who sent that formally disbarred lawyer into to do the job of discrediting Asa and the investigation.

MOO

BBM

His prior law partner Michael Brown who was assigned RH by the judge and first met RH the day of his first court appearance on 7/14/23?
Asa got Macedonio sometime over that weekend.

IMO:
Macedonio isn't the brightest lawyer and see his comments as conflicted.
I think he fears the other shoe will eventually drop on his client all the while trying to defend her and her "stand by your man" spew while being more then legal buddies with Brown and they back-channel info and strategy to each other.
He obviously gets confused what his role is.

 

[Ruminations]

BBM

His prior law partner Michael Brown who was assigned RH by the judge and first met RH the day of his first court appearance on 7/14/23?
Asa got Macedonio sometime over that weekend.

IMO:
Macedonio isn't the brightest lawyer and see his comments as conflicted.
I think he fears the other shoe will eventually drop on his client all the while trying to defend her and her "stand by your man" spew while being more then legal buddies with Brown and they back-channel info and strategy to each other

Asa is an adult, and theoretically could just fire him. But my intuition is Macedonio has a lot of power over her that he is abusing.

He treats her like a classic abuser treats their targets: like she needs him. She has to get her mental health together. She is losing health insurance in New York! She has two kinds of cancer! She has to get a few pipes replaced in her house! She is fragile and needs me to get by.

In the mean time, she had had a couple of months of insurance, her lawyer could have negotiated in divorcing that Rex's business continue to pay her premiums, being that he filed divorce for her. But he was silent on any responsibility by Rex to provide this. It is against federal law to drop insurance - she'd have to have the opportunity to keep paying it herself. And in New York, there are multiple options for new insurance.

Asa could have continued to pay the insurance premiums if her lawyer was unable to compel Rex's business to do so. Around this time, and until Macedonia sabotaged it, Asa had vigorous community support, and a regular influx of gift cards and cash gifts. Her neighbors volunteered to help her clean up her place. But like a classic abuser, Macedonio first took credit for, then separated her from, her support system.

MOO

 

[Romans12]

I agree. I think most of the victims did not use their real names when they advertised or set up dates. Somehow RH did know Melissa’s real name because didn’t he call her sister and specifically say her name in the call? But I’m certain it’s just a coincidence that a lot of the victims had names starting with M, and I highly doubt he knew most of their true names.

Rex was a stalker. I wouldn’t doubt he found out their real names. He tracked down his employee and had a note slid under her door on a cruise ship.

 

[x_files]

The punishment dolls (I know them, had bought one, when it was a harmless deko trend here many years ago) I attribute to AE. I believe, in her mind the SWs themselves were to blame for their fate and should be ashamed, even after death. For that AE must have known about the deaths and the locations. Maybe, her husband one day wasn't able to keep the secret to himself any longer and told her. He had to bragg about it, but couldn't do it without big risk, so he possibly used his wife as a listener.
Speculation and feeling and MOO.

Disturbing.

 

[Diddian]

I don't know what to think.

What is that thing?

Unless it comes apart, I don't think it could have been inside.

If it were outside, and it were torture apparatus, or consensual S&M apparatus, I would think the neighbors would have seen something.

It is very, very creepy to me, what with all the talk about hard points and 6x6's.

It looks partly sloppily constructed, with asymmetrical supports for the main vertical posts. And partly with some deluxe features, like the trim atop the posts.

MOO

I’m not sure that apparatus is sloppily constructed; instead it appears to me that the support on one side is heavily constructed (built of larger, heavier lumber with a higher center point) while the other is more lightly constructed (smaller dimension lumber that is lighter, with a lower center point). That might have done so that a person could lift the lighter side, with the heavier side remaining on the ground so the apparatus could be dragged (or wheeled if the heavier side had wheels) from one location to another location.

 

[Onlyguessing23]

I don't know what to think.

What is that thing?

Unless it comes apart, I don't think it could have been inside.

If it were outside, and it were torture apparatus, or consensual S&M apparatus, I would think the neighbors would have seen something.

It is very, very creepy to me, what with all the talk about hard points and 6x6's.

It looks partly sloppily constructed, with asymmetrical supports for the main vertical posts. And partly with some deluxe features, like the trim atop the posts.

MOO

It’s hard to find a really clear image of the thing - but am I seeing a lamp mounted off the upright post closest to the house? It appears broken/bent in the first image below, but not broken in the earlier image.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

It’s hard to find a really clear image of the thing - but am I seeing a lamp mounted off the upright post closest to the house? It appears broken/bent in the first image below, but not broken in the earlier image.
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Google image search shows very similar structures from DIY/handyman sites:
1. Supports for a swing/ porch bench swing - it’s decorative with lamp and finials.
2. Wedding arbor (unlikely doing back yard weddings)
3. Supports for a “crane” or pulley lift for working on heavy objects (car engine)

This big frame is outside, can be seen by neighbors as other homes have second floor. Can’t see it being used as part of crimes outdoors unless it could be completely covered by tarpaulins which seems not practical.

Possibly an ill-conceived attempt at a DIY garden swing bench, for a giant person?

 

[Onlyguessing23]

Google image search shows very similar structures from DIY/handyman sites:
1. Supports for a swing/ porch bench swing - it’s decorative with lamp and finials.
2. Wedding arbor (unlikely doing back yard weddings)
3. Supports for a “crane” or pulley lift for working on heavy objects (car engine)

This big frame is outside, can be seen by neighbors as other homes have second floor. Can’t see it being used as part of crimes outdoors unless it could be completely covered by tarpaulins which seems not practical.

Possibly an ill-conceived attempt at a DIY garden swing bench, for a giant person?

Aha! Apparently, it’s called a wooden gantry crane.

 

[sds71]

Could he have used it to drain/skin deer?

 

[willy wagtail]

2011, 21, 23. These had his selfies and all the horrendous searches. Email accouts meaning, gun, hit, hunter as listed in bail doc

 

[Ruminations]

Could he have used it to drain/skin deer?

I could swear a neighbor said he did something like that on a swing set. But I can't find the article or clip.

MOO

 

[willy wagtail]

I could swear a neighbor said he did something like that on a swing set. But I can't find the article or clip.

MOO

I read that yesterday also I think it was a neighbour