Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[DS2021]

And he say, “where THEY were pinning up tarps and maybe dismembering parts of victims.” Why did he say “they?”

Tierney is still saying that Rex worked alone. I wouldnt read much into it

 

[Ruminations]

I forgot about Macedonio and Spota.
There's also Macedonio's connection with Michael Brown.



BM and MB used to be law partners and after reading that Brown was assigned to RH by the judge before RH's Friday July 14,2023 court appearance and Macedonio had said that AE hired him over that weekend that it was Brown who got Macedonio involved.
Back to why did Macedonio tell the reporter as LE was searching RH's residence for the 2nd time that he was going to let Brown know that they were focused on the basement?

Disclosure will tell Rex and Brown what LE does have.

But only Macedonia can tell Rex and Brown what they don't have.

If certain walls or floors are still in tact, that could be very good news for the defendant.

'Searchers were focused [on one spot]' could be a coded way to say '[another] is still not searched.'

MOO

 

[Just K]

Tierney is still saying that Rex worked alone. I wouldnt read much into it

But these are Robert Macedonio’s words- not Tierney’s.

 

[Ruminations]

Tierney is still saying that Rex worked alone. I wouldnt read much into it

That Macedonio said "They" is particularly of note because of the stridency and excessive emphasis Tierney is placing on the theory Rex was working alone, and the strained facts.

There is credible rebuttal to the family alibi in Atlantic City. There is credible testimony regarding sex workers coming into the home while Asa is there and aware of them.

That Tierney won't make the obvious statement that Asa is an important witness is really bizarre. And when there has been a long, coordinated and successful obstruction into this investigation, weird behavior is very hard to excuse and not "read much into it."

Rex doesn't strike me as that important or powerful to take the active and criminal steps of obstructing the investigation into him. This alone suggests catching him snares others-and frankly, I don't think Asa is the one that those who obstructed this investigation wanted to protect either. So someone who is not Asa or children has some kind of related culpability, in my opinion.

That's just common sense, given the cover-up.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I'm confused and need help.
Did anyone else also read this?

In one of Macedonio's interviews (that I can't find) after RH was charged with murdering JT & SC he said that Asa,VH and CS never went into the basement room where it's being suggested that RH may have murdered his victims in because the only entrance to it was from the outside of the house not from the basement.
Has this layout of the basement been confirmed by LE?
IMO: That is a weak claim made by Macedonio even if true, kinda like wishful thinking which is not solid evidence.

I can't figure out why everyone is saying there are no interior steps to the basement.

If Macedonio said that, it makes some sense where it all began.

Bilco doors are not pleasant entrances or exits for foot traffic. Most people would go through the kitchen door and down the basement steps with a trip or two of laundry soap and kitty litter. Only when there are several trips needed does it make sense to open up the Bilco doors and unpack from a shopping trip directly into the basement.

MOO

Edited to add: I'm looking for that statement because it interests me, too.

It is possible that walls and doors and furniture and clutter were used in the basement to cutoff the section near the exterior Bilco door. The laundry machines appear to be at the back of the house in the basement under the bathroom.

Since the stairs are oriented such that going down them, you are facing the front or the house, one could wall off the area by the Bilco door, and access laundry by going left at the bottom of the stairs, straight along the front of the house, then left around the walled off area to the back of the house by the washer and dryer.

I would love to see Rex's colleague's sketch of his house with the secret room marked off.

Note: there is no basement or crawl space below the garage, and there is a 3' crawl space under the den behind the garage- presumably with a dirt floor.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

I can't figure out why everyone is saying there are no interior steps to the basement.

If Macedonio said that, it makes some sense where it all began.

Bilco doors are not pleasant entrances or exits for foot traffic. Most people would go through the kitchen door and down the basement steps with a trip or two of laundry soap and kitty litter. Only when there are several trips needed does it make sense to open up the Bilco doors and unpack from a shopping trip directly into the basement.

MOO

Edited to add: I'm looking for that statement because it interests me, too.

It is possible that walls and doors and furniture and clutter were used in the basement to cutoff the section near the exterior Bilco door. The laundry machines appear to be at the back of the house in the basement under the bathroom.

Since the stairs are oriented such that going down them, you are facing the front or the house, one could wall off the area by the Bilco door, and access laundry by going left at the bottom of the stairs, straight along the front of the house, then left around the walled off area to the back of the house by the washer and dryer.

I would love to see Rex's colleague's sketch of his house with the secret room marked off.

Note: there is no basement or crawl space below the garage, and there is a 3' crawl space under the den behind the garage- presumably with a dirt floor.

MOO

I think you're on to something.

First, most people can't even FATHOM living in a house with restricted areas. Not a home office or man cave but an area that is off limits. And not only that but it's accepted, never breached. IMO that's a family will serious issues, probably many unspoken. Major power imbalance. Significant cognitive dissonance. It becomes easier, better to comply, not question. It doesn't happen overnight. Gradual, complex.

Second, I think it's highly probable that the basement was separated. One, accessed from the inside, and one, from the outside. One was RH's private domain.

I suspect his children, curious, may have occasioned to explore it, with shock, confusion and fear.

I think RH took advantage of his family's travels to feed his beast, both collecting victims and perfecting his lair. To account for the time, IMO he lied about the heft of his workload and constructed things around the yard and home, to account for time and purchases.

Think of the pressure be must have exerted to carry off a house of horrors within his family's home.

No one comes out of that unbroken.

JMO

 

[Ruminations]

I think you're on to something.

First, most people can't even FATHOM living in a house with restricted areas. Not a home office or man cave but an area that is off limits. And not only that but it's accepted, never breached. IMO that's a family will serious issues, probably many unspoken. Major power imbalance. Significant cognitive dissonance. It becomes easier, better to comply, not question. It doesn't happen overnight. Gradual, complex.

Second, I think it's highly probable that the basement was separated. One, accessed from the inside, and one, from the outside. One was RH's private domain.

I suspect his children, curious, may have occasioned to explore it, with shock, confusion and fear.

I think RH took advantage of his family's travels to feed his beast, both collecting victims and perfecting his lair. To account for the time, IMO he lied about the heft of his workload and constructed things around the yard and home, to account for time and purchases.

Think of the pressure be must have exerted to carry off a house of horrors within his family's home.

No one comes out of that unbroken.

JMO

Interesting and very plausible point about projects around the home being in part to cover for purchases.

Witness/spouse: "Our SNAP card is depleted, and you spend hundreds at the lumber yard?"

Alleged serial murderer: "Wait till you see your beautiful new deck."


MOO
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[Ruminations]

Ways that the Heuermann house is different from the blueprints. Please add:

1) I don't think there is a a door from the garage to the porch as drawn in blueprint.

2) I do recall seeing a door in the back of the garage, which would go to the den? It was in a post- search picture.

3) I recall seeing in the garage( same pic as above) a hatch to the attic. The blueprints are flexible- they could have been used to make this a 1 1/2 story home with stairs going up from the foyer. But those stairs were not included in this house, and the roof is on the lower roof choice for the prints. So instead of stairs to a second floor there is a hatch to the attic from the garage.

4) There is an added exterior door to access the basement.

5) the windows for the bedrooms are sketched as full size, but the current windows are high and small. (This is no longer to code; the house could not be rented legally with those windows.)

6) the bathroom now has the bathtub along the outside wall- different from the sketch. (This change could have been made while building the house. It could be wise to avoid putting pipes on an outside wall.)

7) Dryer vents and the norm for the area to put laundry equipment in the basement suggest that there is running water and a way for wash water to leave to the sewers exists in the basement. Adding a sink would not be hard, then.

8) The interior who measured the house noted that there were multiple rooms in the basement, enough that the secret room was contrasted with some other room in being off limits. So the basement has rooms; it's not just open. This also comports with photos.

MOO

 

[DS2021]

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The attorney for Heuermann's estranged wife said Heuermann is the main suspect in a seventh murder.

 

[iamshadow21]

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I suspect that's probably Valerie.

The similarities between her and Jessica - death, dismemberment, disposal - are so similar it's practically statistically impossible for it to be a different perpetrator.

MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I suspect that's probably Valerie.

The similarities between her and Jessica - death, dismemberment, disposal - are so similar it's practically statistically impossible for it to be a different perpetrator.

MOO

Yes, articles have referenced Valerie specifically. I was glad to read that they are still going through digital devices. I'm hopeful that they can recover considerably more information from them. I think he could have dozens of bodies on him by the time it's all said and done. moo (I think a lot will depend upon how successful they are at getting into the locked digital devices.)

 

[Megnut]

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Referring not to the OP, but the headline, as quoted --

Really unfortunate choice of words, considering.

 

[wcasewatch]

I tend to believe Tierney when he says that Rex acted alone. There is a lot of evidence that hasn't been disclosed to the public. What we do know is that the family was out of town during each murder. That is a clear pattern. We also know that Rex contacted sex workers via burner phones, even when he planned on using their services as normal. That, to me, suggests he was actively hiding his "hobby" from his wife and kids. In fact, that may have been the reason he started using burners in the first place.

I think many people want to believe that others were involved because it adds further mystery. The lie is often more entertaining than the truth.

However, the evidence indicates that this was not the case.

 

[wcasewatch]

That Macedonio said "They" is particularly of note because of the stridency and excessive emphasis Tierney is placing on the theory Rex was working alone, and the strained facts.

There is credible rebuttal to the family alibi in Atlantic City. There is credible testimony regarding sex workers coming into the home while Asa is there and aware of them.

That Tierney won't make the obvious statement that Asa is an important witness is really bizarre. And when there has been a long, coordinated and successful obstruction into this investigation, weird behavior is very hard to excuse and not "read much into it."

Rex doesn't strike me as that important or powerful to take the active and criminal steps of obstructing the investigation into him. This alone suggests catching him snares others-and frankly, I don't think Asa is the one that those who obstructed this investigation wanted to protect either. So someone who is not Asa or children has some kind of related culpability, in my opinion.

That's just common sense, given the cover-up.

MOO

What cover-up?

 

[Ruminations]

What cover-up?

What cover up? The refusal to investigate LISK. Excluding the FBI so forcefully Rodney Harrison had to really work to get them willing to work with Suffolk County again. Assigning LISK to one detective who also had other responsibilities in a well resourced agency. Mocking and ignoring important clues such as Alice Poe and the swinger witness. Misrepresenting Shannan's 911 call and refusing to release it because it is part of an on-going investigation. Yet, refusing to call Shannan's murder a murder making the claim to be investigating it absurd.

Stuff like that.

IMO, individuals and institutions that interfered with investigating LISK are responsible for an immeasurable amount of unnecessary pain and suffering to the surviving family members. Children were growing up without their mothers while Suffolk County was driving away the FBI.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I tend to believe Tierney when he says that Rex acted alone. There is a lot of evidence that hasn't been disclosed to the public. What we do know is that the family was out of town during each murder. That is a clear pattern. We also know that Rex contacted sex workers via burner phones, even when he planned on using their services as normal. That, to me, suggests he was actively hiding his "hobby" from his wife and kids. In fact, that may have been the reason he started using burners in the first place.

I think many people want to believe that others were involved because it adds further mystery. The lie is often more entertaining than the truth.

However, the evidence indicates that this was not the case.

I appreciate all Tierney has done since Rodney Harrison assembled the awesome task force.

But it remains strange and forced when he blows off the biggest witnesses he has!

Just because Rex appears to have hidden his activities, that does not mean the family has no information. Maybe the notorious slob scrubbed the bathroom often when they went on vacation. That would be extremely helpful information to prosecutors. The family does not have to be involved to be witnesses. While it is probable they were not criminally involved it is not probable or even possible that they are not witnesses.

MOO

 

[wcasewatch]

What cover up? The refusal to investigate LISK. Excluding the FBI so forcefully Rodney Harrison had to really work to get them willing to work with Suffolk County again. Assigning LISK to one detective who also had other responsibilities in a well resourced agency. Mocking and ignoring important clues such as Alice Poe and the swinger witness. Misrepresenting Shannan's 911 call and refusing to release it because it is part of an on-going investigation. Yet, refusing to call Shannan's murder a murder making the claim to be investigating it absurd.

Stuff like that.

IMO, individuals and institutions that interfered with investigating LISK are responsible for an immeasurable amount of unnecessary pain and suffering to the surviving family members. Children were growing up without their mothers while Suffolk County was driving away the FBI.

MOO

They did investigate LISK, albeit poorly. The FBI was excluded from multiple task forces, not just LISK. Burke didn't want them nosing around in his backyard while he was under investigation. By that logic, we must presume that Burke was also an active member of MS-13.

There is a big difference between ineptitude/general corruption and an actual cover-up.

To be honest, I don't find Alice Poe's story very credible. Three of the biggest names in this case, and she just so happens to be the only person who can prove that they all knew each other? In addition, they were all smoking crack together? I'm not buying it, especially considering which corner this affidavit came from. "Burke, Bittrolff and Heuermann walk into a motel" sounds like the start of a tasteless joke.

There is also no evidence to indicate that Shannan Gilbert was murdered, unless I've missed a recent announcement?

 

[wcasewatch]

I appreciate all Tierney has done since Rodney Harrison assembled the awesome task force.

But it remains strange and forced when he blows off the biggest witnesses he has!

Just because Rex appears to have hidden his activities, that does not mean the family has no information. Maybe the notorious slob scrubbed the bathroom often when they went on vacation. That would be extremely helpful information to prosecutors. The family does not have to be involved to be witnesses. While it is probable they were not criminally involved it is not probable or even possible that they are not witnesses.

MOO

My guess is that they simply do not need her. The evidence in the bail docs alone is enough to blow him away. Imagine what else they have.

 

[Ruminations]

My guess is that they simply do not need her. The evidence in the bail docs alone is enough to blow him away. Imagine what else they have.

Then ignore her. Tierney is not simply not mentioning her. He is forcefully adding the information that the family was out of town when he mentions each charge.

Why wouldn't he just talk about the charges, let the press bring up the family, and then just say that they are not suspects or subjects at this time and are fully cooperating with the investigation?

That's SOP. For some reason. Tierney is not doing the usual.

He even delayed charging Maureen until he had the credit card receipt he dubiously claims shows Asa out of town. He didn't need that info to charge Rex. He needed that info so he could do his strange routine of mentioning that the family was out of town in the same breath as announcing the charges.

It is very unusual. LE doesn't generally have time to nor do they reap investigative benefit in "clearing" people. They just announce people are not subjects or suspects and move on.

MOO

 

[wcasewatch]

Then ignore her. Tierney is not simply not mentioning her. He is forcefully adding the information that the family was out of town when he mentions each charge.

Why wouldn't he just talk about the charges, let the press bring up the family, and then just say that they are not suspects or subjects at this time and are fully cooperating with the investigation?

That's SOP. For some reason. Tierney is not doing the usual.

He even delayed charging Maureen until he had the credit card receipt he dubiously claims shows Asa out of town. He didn't need that info to charge Rex. He needed that info so he could do his strange routine of mentioning that the family was out of town in the same breath as announcing the charges.

It is very unusual. LE doesn't generally have time to nor do they reap investigative benefit in "clearing" people. They just announce people are not subjects or suspects and move on.

MOO

He is forcefully adding it because certain people are forcefully trying to link them to the killings by any means necessary.

They wanted to prove that the family was out of town during Maureen's murder because that was the case with the previous three murders. They want to establish a pattern of behavior. Failing to do so would play into the hands of the defense. Remember that all of the murders are being tried in the same case. That means that patterns of behavior matter.