Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Sillybilly]

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[Ruminations]

well I was looking for SK's that started killing in their teens and it's not that unusual..but here's what's driving me CRAZY. I could swear Ted Bundy was suspected in the murder of a woman found strangled on her front lawn with her bathrobe belt...but I can't find a thing about it..I tried other SK's and nothing...does anyone know what I'm talking about..? I tried Dhamer..Radar..GR Gary, and a host of others..am I imagining this??

Montauk Mary does not seem like a viable victim for a child who doesn't yet drive. I agree he could have gotten access to a gun and been able to shoot it.

But this victim was not reported missing. How would a young teen find a victim so far from home (for his age) and manage to shoot her and hide her car and luck into killing someone nobody acknowledged missing or knowing? Somebody had to see that she disappeared, and likely would have spoken up to report her missing, or recognize her description, if they had nothing to do with her murder. Maybe they were told she moved away, but once the story was in the paper, wouldn't someone call and say, oh, I thought she was alive and just moved?

I find it hard to imagine how Rex could be a solo murderer of that victim.

It would be interesting to see when Easter fell that year. Was it a HS holiday week? Was his father dead yet?

MOO

 

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[minazoe]

you may have trouble imagining a young teen murdering an older victim with a gun..but in the 70's teens were totally free to run around and do whatever they wanted ...you would check in for dinner..you could hitch a ride...you could totally have a gun for recreational purposes..you could walk and wander or bike ride for miles on end...kids had free range lives and it may be hard for you to imagine it..but Rex was a big kid and probably already looked like a man by his size. He grew up there..knew every park, every beach, parking lot and hang out.

not hard for me. to imagine him killing at 14. mOO

 

[itsdev]

I posted this over on the Mary Montauk thread, but would like to get yall's thoughts as well.
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IMO. MOO. Pure speculation!
The thing that is sticking out in my mind regarding the 9 John and Jane Does and Mary Murphy's blog post on it is how she brings up the amount of weapons at his house.

Perhaps there could be a ballistic connection between the guns seized at the home and some of the shooting deaths.

• Montauk Mary - the victim had been shot four times—once in the chest and three times in the legs.
• Melville John Doe - The man had been shot five times—in the back, face, head (behind his left ear), and right shoulder.
• Brentwood John Doe - No info on how he died that I could find after a quick search.

Although he would have been 15 when Montauk Mary was shot, he could have ended up inheriting weapons from a close relative or mentor. Just a thought!

"There are ABSOLUTE reasons why we chose those nine," DA Tierney told me at a press briefing September 23rd in Riverhead, shortly after winning another court challenge in the Gilgo Beach case. Tierney then added, "You're going to have to trust me as to what those reasons are. "When I asked the District Attorney if there was a connection to Rex Heuermann, the D.A. replied, "I would submit that there are really good reasons why we do that. And whether there's a connection or not does not matter until if and when we're able to charge. So, I'm not going to talk about cases until I'm able to charge. That would be unethical."

So now, I'm asking this as a journalist who has watched criminal cases evolve over the course of forty years: Is the addition of the new "Does" a tactic to put pressure on Rex Heuermann? Investigators who searched Heuermann's house in Massapequa Park for twelve days in 2023 located 283 weapons, including Glocks and long guns. The victims he's accused of killing so far were not shot. Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murders of seven women.

MaryMurphyOfficial.com

 

[minazoe]

a homeless woman living out of her car...makes a good victim...who cares about this woman? she's not one of the neighbors.....maybe he saw her alone and wanted to frighten her and since no one was around he shot her to death. he probably didn't know how to pick up a working girl yet...maybe she exchanged something with Rex, words? maybe offering something for money? maybe asked him for help with something...he would most enjoy talking to someone, seeming harmless, friendly and helpful and then watching their expression as he removes his mask.

I really want to know how she connects with Rex. mOO

 

[Ruminations]

a homeless woman living out of her car...makes a good victim...who cares about this woman? she's not one of the neighbors.....maybe he saw her alone and wanted to frighten her and since no one was around he shot her to death. he probably didn't know how to pick up a working girl yet...maybe she exchanged something with Rex, words? maybe offering something for money? maybe asked him for help with something...he would most enjoy talking to someone, seeming harmless, friendly and helpful and then watching their expression as he removes his mask.

I really want to know how she connects with Rex. mOO

Well, a homeless person is still usually known to a degree. She bought gas and kept her car running. She bought fish sandwiches. She had some income for her fish sandwich and gas/oil budget, so she banked somewhere or regularly cashed a check somewhere like a grocery store, where she was also known. This was the era of keeping Polaroid photos tacked to the manager's wall at grocery stores of known people who may cash checks, and known people who may not. New faces trying to cash checks were scrutinized. Anyone with proper ID could cash checks at a bank, but again, with much scrutiny, and maybe a Polaroid snapped. It was not free, even in the 70's. to maintain ID and car registration.

If she lived in her car, she likely had a regular parking spot, or a few on rotation. Somebody would know he as the one who always parks behind Finast, or wherever she parked her car. She had to have a few places on rotation to wash up. There was probably somebody who regularly gave her something- a formal or informal charity. There was probably a library or public place that she sat in to read newspapers.

Homeless people usually are known to some people. Including LE, who would know her as the one that various people called about to get her to move out.

So, her potentially being homeless could make her seem like a good victim, but I still can't wrap my head around her not being identified. She'd be reported missing even if she were homeless, IMO.

And, if she lived in her car, LE probably knew her.

I'm beginning to think it's possible she was reported missing but the report was not taken seriously, especially if she was known and homeless. I wonder if LE released the drawing of her at the time so non-LE could see her.

Whoever killed her just got lucky she was not identified. I still think there was no reason that case couldn't be solved.

Where is the car?

MOO

 

[minazoe]

like I said, homeless people make good victims..takes time to find out anything...there is a reason for her inclusion.

 

[Onlyguessing23]

Well, a homeless person is still usually known to a degree. She bought gas and kept her car running. She bought fish sandwiches. She had some income for her fish sandwich and gas/oil budget, so she banked somewhere or regularly cashed a check somewhere like a grocery store, where she was also known. This was the era of keeping Polaroid photos tacked to the manager's wall at grocery stores of known people who may cash checks, and known people who may not. New faces trying to cash checks were scrutinized. Anyone with proper ID could cash checks at a bank, but again, with much scrutiny, and maybe a Polaroid snapped. It was not free, even in the 70's. to maintain ID and car registration.

If she lived in her car, she likely had a regular parking spot, or a few on rotation. Somebody would know he as the one who always parks behind Finast, or wherever she parked her car. She had to have a few places on rotation to wash up. There was probably somebody who regularly gave her something- a formal or informal charity. There was probably a library or public place that she sat in to read newspapers.

Homeless people usually are known to some people. Including LE, who would know her as the one that various people called about to get her to move out.

So, her potentially being homeless could make her seem like a good victim, but I still can't wrap my head around her not being identified. She'd be reported missing even if she were homeless, IMO.

And, if she lived in her car, LE probably knew her.

I'm beginning to think it's possible she was reported missing but the report was not taken seriously, especially if she was known and homeless. I wonder if LE released the drawing of her at the time so non-LE could see her.

Whoever killed her just got lucky she was not identified. I still think there was no reason that case couldn't be solved.

Where is the car?

MOO

And we already know that the local LE was notoriously lax about following up on good vehicle leads…

 

[dotr]

Sep 27, 2025 #rexheuermann #trial #dnatechnology
Robert Macedonio, attorney for Asa Ellerup, Rex Heuermann's ex-wife, joins "NewsNation Live" to discuss the recent developments in Heuermann's case, including cutting-edge DNA technology that prosecutors will introduce at trial.

Sep 27 2025

Nuclear DNA in Rex Heuermann trial will be ‘significant’: Attorney

The nuclear DNA being inserted into the trial results from some of the hairs that were found on the victims that were tied back to Heuermann’s home.

www.newsnationnow.com

''The attorney for Asa Ellerup, the ex-wife of Long Island serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann, says nuclear DNA technology being introduced at the trial adds new significance to the case.

“Her (Asa) hair, I think Victoria’s hair, and I believe also Rex’s first wife’s hair were found on some of the bodies, including Rex’s,” Robert Macedonio told “NewsNation Live.”

''Rex Heuermann to face single trial in Gilgo Beach murder cases
“It does make the prosecution’s case a little bit stronger in the circumstantial case, because remember, there are no eyewitnesses to this murder,” Macedonio added. “So, it’s all circumstantial phone records, DNA records, and then his forensic diagnosis of his computer with the planning document all leading to Rex.”

 

[Onlyguessing23]

I’m wondering if maybe LE has found a stash of id’s /trophies - maybe in that discovery of clothing and handbags at Jones Beach? Or discovered photos of collected items linked to these additional victims as they continue their digital forensics on RH’s computers, etc. ? I know they’ve put a cap on additional charges for now while they prepare for the current trial.
All my speculation only.

 

[The4TierBridge]

Perhaps there could be a ballistic connection between the guns seized at the home and some of the shooting deaths.

• Montauk Mary - the victim had been shot four times—once in the chest and three times in the legs.
• Melville John Doe - The man had been shot five times—in the back, face, head (behind his left ear), and right shoulder.
• Brentwood John Doe - No info on how he died that I could find after a quick search.

Although he would have been 15 when Montauk Mary was shot, he could have ended up inheriting weapons from a close relative or mentor. Just a thought!

"There are ABSOLUTE reasons why we chose those nine," DA Tierney told me at a press briefing September 23rd in Riverhead, shortly after winning another court challenge in the Gilgo Beach case. Tierney then added, "You're going to have to trust me as to what those reasons are. "When I asked the District Attorney if there was a connection to Rex Heuermann, the D.A. replied, "I would submit that there are really good reasons why we do that. And whether there's a connection or not does not matter until if and when we're able to charge. So, I'm not going to talk about cases until I'm able to charge. That would be unethical."

MaryMurphyOfficial.com

The COD for UP2925 (Brentwood John Doe 1998) could not be determined due to skeletonization, but foul play was not suspected during the original investigation.

(IMOO none of these 9 people are connected to Rex Huermann outside of Asian Male 2012, who was always considered a victim, and Ray Tierney is talking out of his a*s to increase general interest in their other cold cases which would otherwise get less attention).

 

[Onlyguessing23]

I’m no body language expert, but I’m sensing some broader knowledge of evidence and possible connections to RH when watching the gentleman standing in the fore of the group that is beyond the podium as DA Tierney is questioned (in the clip within Mary Murphy’s recent post, below)

9 "John and Jane Does" on Suffolk Website Spur New Questions in Gilgo Case

So now, I'm asking this as a journalist who has watched criminal cases evolve over the course of forty years: Is the addition of the new "Does" a tactic to put pressure on Rex Heuermann? Investigators who searched Heuermann's house in Massapequa Park for twelve days in 2023 located 283 weapons...

www.marymurphyofficial.com

Speculation only.

 

[Teche]

Sep 27, 2025 #rexheuermann #trial #dnatechnology
Robert Macedonio, attorney for Asa Ellerup, Rex Heuermann's ex-wife, joins "NewsNation Live" to discuss the recent developments in Heuermann's case, including cutting-edge DNA technology that prosecutors will introduce at trial.

Sep 27 2025

Nuclear DNA in Rex Heuermann trial will be ‘significant’: Attorney

The nuclear DNA being inserted into the trial results from some of the hairs that were found on the victims that were tied back to Heuermann’s home.

www.newsnationnow.com

''The attorney for Asa Ellerup, the ex-wife of Long Island serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann, says nuclear DNA technology being introduced at the trial adds new significance to the case.

“Her (Asa) hair, I think Victoria’s hair, and I believe also Rex’s first wife’s hair were found on some of the bodies, including Rex’s,” Robert Macedonio told “NewsNation Live.”

''Rex Heuermann to face single trial in Gilgo Beach murder cases
“It does make the prosecution’s case a little bit stronger in the circumstantial case, because remember, there are no eyewitnesses to this murder,” Macedonio added. “So, it’s all circumstantial phone records, DNA records, and then his forensic diagnosis of his computer with the planning document all leading to Rex.”

Is Asa’s attorney starting to back peddle?

 

[Ruminations]

like I said, homeless people make good victims..takes time to find out anything...there is a reason for her inclusion.

A homeless person who lives in her car is not always obviously homeless, except to the people that see them regularly- regularly sleeping in a certain parking spot- regularly washing up at a certain restroom- but the homelessness isn't obvious to someone who just meets a person in her car. The restaurant workers, for instance, were not quoted as theorizing that she was homeless.

How would a killer from out of town, as young Rex would have been, even know she was homeless?

MOO


Edited to add: maybe she wasn't homeless.

 

[Ruminations]

Is Asa’s attorney starting to back peddle?

IMO, he is continuing to do the work of Rex's defense attorneys. He has from day one, criticizing LE for doing an investigation as he called the person who is purported to be his client as focusing on her mental illness, as if that was our business.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I can't get Montauk Mary out of my mind.

Tierney brought her up for some reason. He publicly stayed that mentioning her and several others was deliberate, and he brought her up before an audience interested in Rex Heuermann.

Two thoughts: It does not add up that she was not identified. Off season, the area is a small, working class town. Montauk Mary visited a local restaurant fairly regularly. She had a distinct car, which disappeared.

One of the official reports says that her lack of clothing tags and laundry markings hindered ID the victim, but that is silly. That she was without a wallet (if she was) hindered ID ing her. Right? Why not mention there was no ID on her body (if there was none) and no personal items found at the scene (if there were none?)

I can't wrap my head around nobody reporting her missing if she had owned or rental housing, unless the persons who should have noticed her disappearance had had something to do with her murder.

I can't wrap my head around LE NOT knowing her very well if she was homeless with a car. LE would recognize a regularly parked car at any location other than on rental or owned property. They'd know the plate. Theyed have seen her driver license.

She had at least a small income. If she made it panhandling, someone knew her. If she made it stealing, someone knew her. If she had a job, someone knew her. If she had social security checks, she had them mailed to an address- owned or rented- or a charity allowed them to be mailed c/o them.

Since the evidence seems to be she was local enough to be a regular at a diner immediately before her murder, that she is unidentified is bizarre at a minimum.

That she was brought up with an implication that she is related to LISK is more bizarre. If she were "just" related to LE corruption, as it seems since little else explains not identifying her, Tierney does not gain from bringing her up. If she is not related to Rex, that kind of strengthens the defense and brings in doubt that Rex is the only killer, thus THE killer for his charged cases. So, I feel like there is an implication that Rex is connected to her murder.

Throw in that it probably was a school holiday, falling on the Wednesday before Easter, and that one can hunt at that State Park (but I doubt March was hunting season), and being that Rex probably had access to guns, young Rex wandering around with a gun isn't weird. Even shooting her for whatever reason isn't that weird.



But failing to ID her is weird. Losing her car is weird. Failing to mention her wallet or ID is weird. Covering up (by LE) on behalf of a 14 year old ogre from Massapequa Park, if LE did so, is very weird. So if LE knew what happened then and didn't prosecute, that does not increase the odds of Rex being the killer.


The bizarreness of the investigation echoes the investigation into missing Shannan Gilbert.


MOO


Edited to add: usually it is the wallet and personal belongings that suggest if a murder was part of a robbery or not. LE released that there were no signs of a struggle. But- if she had no wallet, why would they not suggest that the murder may have been for robbery. Or, contrarily, if there were liftable personal items at the scene, why not mention that it did not appear to be a robbery?

 

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I can't get Montauk Mary out of my mind.

Tierney brought her up for some reason. He publicly stayed that mentioning her and several others was deliberate, and he brought her up before an audience interested in Rex Heuermann.

Two thoughts: It does not add up that she was not identified. Off season, the area is a small, working class town. Montauk Mary visited a local restaurant fairly regularly. She had a distinct car, which disappeared.

One of the official reports says that her lack of clothing tags and laundry markings hindered ID the victim, but that is silly. That she was without a wallet (if she was) hindered ID ing her. Right? Why not mention there was no ID on her body (if there was none) and no personal items found at the scene (if there were none?)

I can't wrap my head around nobody reporting her missing if she had owned or rental housing, unless the persons who should have noticed her disappearance had had something to do with her murder.

I can't wrap my head around LE NOT knowing her very well if she was homeless with a car. LE would recognize a regularly parked car at any location other than on rental or owned property. They'd know the plate. Theyed have seen her driver license.

She had at least a small income. If she made it panhandling, someone knew her. If she made it stealing, someone knew her. If she had a job, someone knew her. If she had social security checks, she had them mailed to an address- owned or rented- or a charity allowed them to be mailed c/o them.

Since the evidence seems to be she was local enough to be a regular at a diner immediately before her murder, that she is unidentified is bizarre at a minimum.

Some Does are unidentified because they may be homeless but not appear that way - for example living out of a motel/hotel, car or perhaps housed but renting a spare room from a person they don’t know well and doesn’t care about their lodger as long as they get paid rent.

A reason why she may not be identified is because someone continued cashing her disability or pension cheques after she disappeared, and if they were an undiscerning individual who edged the line between illegal and legal lifestyles then they might not have cared what happened to her or where she went as long as they got the cash.

It may be as simple as that all of her family are deceased or estranged as well. You don’t become a Doe under happy circumstances, but that also doesn’t mean that they are always ‘unloved’ or unmissed.

 

[Ruminations]

Some Does are unidentified because they may be homeless but not appear that way - for example living out of a motel/hotel, car or perhaps housed but renting a spare room from a person they don’t know well and doesn’t care about their lodger as long as they get paid rent.

A reason why she may not be identified is because someone continued cashing her disability or pension cheques after she disappeared, and if they were an undiscerning individual who edged the line between illegal and legal lifestyles then they might not have cared what happened to her or where she went as long as they got the cash.

It may be as simple as that all of her family are deceased or estranged as well. You don’t become a Doe under happy circumstances, but that also doesn’t mean that they are always ‘unloved’ or unmissed.

I agree very much with your last paragraph.

As for someone cashing her checks, I don't believe that anyone would cash her checks if she knew she were found shot, and they were not involved in the shooting.

If the person who had access to her checks, a weak sense of propriety, and believed she just didn't come home maybe they'd cash a check figuring that they would pay her back if she turned up. How? For cash, they'd need her ID. Then, when she turned up, if she didn't let them pay her back, there would be a clear paper trail of the crime. Who would think that is worth it? Maybe an addict, but not many other people.

If a person with access to her checks saw the news of her murder, I would think they would immediately stop cashing the checks if they had nothing to do with the murder because they would assume that she would imminently be identified which would lead to their being busted as a thief, if not suspected of murder.

Besides, if she had pension checks, she had to be known to someone who cashed them or deposited them. Off season, the area is a small town.

I tend to doubt she had pension checks, because her failing to cash them would have helped identify her. I don't think anyone stole them for the reasons listed above. She could have collected retirement benefits if she worked enough in the US, or was married to someone who worked enough, but I feel like that would just make her that much easier to identify/notice missing. I don't think the theory that someone unrelated to the murder was cashing her checks makes sense in that small town where the victim was recognizable: odd clothing, odd gait, odd car.


MOO