Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[snarast]

I saw her interviews - her demeanor, communication, rationalization, thought processes seemed off - and reminded me a bit of her son who apparently also has a cognitive disability. She was in a bad abusive situation and reports are he basically swooped in and rescued her. She spoke of him as if she was in awe of him, absolutely devoted to him, which must have been great for him because from what I understand he was not socially that adept or had lots of girls (know he was married once before) - he himself was a bit of an outcast. She was the perfect wife for him, someone easy to trick, who seemed to have an off sense of normal or ability to advocate for herself, who needed to be cared for. They lived in a home with outside disrepair, had poor dental hygiene (she was missing/rotting teeth as was he) and I don't see her as really questioning much including the locked gun room/closet in the basement. The house being a mess also helped create more distraction/ease in disguising things. The kids? His daughter was raised in this and seems unusual, but that doesn't = knowing/or in any way really thinking her father is a serial killer. To me - there is a big leap from being weird, slovenly (Asa/Rex), to being a serial killer. If I were their neighbor, I would have likely avoided them as they seem odd, but I wouldn't conclude he was a serial killer. I think we have the advantage of having different lived experiences, different cognitive abilities imo then the wife, and we have the advantage to knowing who he is now, to be able to identify things that seemed off and should have stood out. But in the moment people aren't necessarily jumping to that radical of a conclusion. And I don't blame his daughter for starting out in denial - I don't believe anyone I care deeply for is capable of this and it would take a lot to bring me to a different conclusion. If he was nice to her and kept a different façade, it is going to take time for her to get there and she will likely need extensive therapy I would think. If his wife had knowledge/involvement I would thin LE would be targeting her as well, what influence does she have to get away with it? I do believe his attorney would absolutely solidify her with his partner reaching out to coordinate/represent. This continues to keep her in control, which I believe he looked to do through his process.

The daughter had no choice at all, especially with someone who is manipulative, cunning and probably idolizes her - since she looks like him. Only smaller and cuter. She likely idolised him right back.

My father was certainly my first Idol.

IMHOO

 

[PCHS]

Or the wife!

And see what ? The house was in a disarray. The locked room downstairs had a combination and had all the guns etc..did they even have access? His wife appeared devoted and subservient and possibly not all there cognitively. His kid said she hadn't been in the room. She was a bit off herself, was close to her father it seems, and appears to be socially awkward herself. Who is going to be wandering in and breaking into what looked like a locked safe? I know people may disagree with me but I do believe if the wife was involved LE wouldn't let it go and I believe in giving some grace. Is this a weird family? IMO yes..but complicit/involved in him being a serial killer...I can't go there without proof imo. It's just me. I truly believe LE would have done more of a deep dive in the wife if they had an inkling she could have been party to this. And I do think that one attorney going after his daughter is just not ok but I think he has been pointed out to be problematic for other reasons.

 

[PCHS]

Its his childhood home IIRC...I wonder if anything was changed ? An upgrade , new cabinets or redecorating ??

I think he did the bathroom/kitchen before when they weren't there - possibly as a cover? IDK..

 

[pixiepixel]

My understanding is that Tierney said no plea deal would be offered awhile back. It sounds like hes just pleading guilty with no plea deal

Agreed. All the reporting I've read suggests he is choosing to plea guilty of his own volition. There is no plea deal involved. That means other users' questions/speculation about 'terms of his deal'--better prison conditions, protecting family's assets from civil damages, forced to reveal details of these crimes or other murders, not putting his DNA into CODIS (illegal btw and would never happen, deal or no), etc--are all moot. The only thing he gains by voluntarily pleading guilty is avoiding a trial.

 

[PCHS]

Totally agreed on benefit of the doubt, jmo, he was divorced when he hooked up with AE, I'd imagine him being a complete psycho had to have been a factor on the first marriage ending. He evidently didn't want to stop being that way or couldn't, and shopped around for a perfect SK wife. And he probably sealed the deal by demanding she "give him his space." I doubt she felt like arguing with Gun Room Rex. Looking up women that will marry SKs. Seeing SKs might gravitate towards a woman who travels for work

So AE likes to travel, trips to Iceland are guaranteed to be long,, clearly she goes elsewhere as well, and she evidently had a difficult past. Question. How much did he travel for work? He certainly traveled plenty with his hunting and Vegas and SC, but I'm guessing he may also have traveled for his job. I know he attended conferences/seminars and such because he mentioned at least one such instance in a vehicular lawsuit. And I doubt she went with him on all of these famous hunting trips. He's got a demanding job, exactly how much time did these two really spend together?

Just went back into his log that was in one of the bail documents, and seeing this:
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There's this "Amity Meeting." Amity, the town of Amity? That's way up in New York near the PA border 75 miles from Buffalo & Rochester. And there's a shooting range in Rochester ON Amity St. Now, ok, there are bound to be "Amitys" in NYC, too, but this is at 6pm, these later time slots during the week seem to be when he's off work, and another such late-in-the-weekday entry on that log is for some gun club event. And there's that entry Rabco re: cooling tower. Here's why I'm doing a ginormous double-take on that right now. When I was researching for how he may have been using that truck as a mobile kill station, I remember specifically being navigated into reading about cooling towers. You can equip a truck with one. So just looked up Rabco, there are a few Rabcos with different purposes, certainly there are a couple he might have been in legitimate contact with for his company. But the first Rabco that came up, that is a boat company in Clearwater FL. They make skiffs, these can be used for duck hunting. You can equip one of those with a cooling tower. (And you can do the same with a truck.) Probably the Rabco's a different engineering-related Rabco, but it's just reminding me of the fact that we really haven't heard much of anything about his travels. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. HK actually WAS buying some kind of cooler unit for either boat or truck. And not just to cool off.

RH deceived a lot of people, LE had a heckuva time getting him, it's entirely possible jmo he deceived her too. The only thing that has always made me really wonder with AE was that "Stockholm Syndrome" note on HK. I mean, who's that referring to? We don't know, but perhaps some party other than her. That "Stockholm Syndrome" note along with the cash register mentality and the lack of empathy towards the victims is worrisome and gross. But she's a traveler, and so is he, and that could be a strong motivator for him to feel like he can do as he pleases. Between his job, her job then illnesses, his travels and her travels, I'd wonder exactly how much time these two really spent together. She knew him when he was younger, she just may have felt she knew all there was to know, and just accepted his absences without question. It sounds like she went out of the frying pan into the fire in terms of her personal situation. I'd find her a lot more sympathetic if she hadn't Peacocked her way into financial stability, hurting a lot of people in the process, but jmo.

I mean - myself? I wouldn't have gone along with a locked room I had no access to or a house of guns or one in disarray or much else they seemed to reflect, but I also wouldn't have been a good wife material for him...in the littlest bit & wouldn't live the way they did. To me she seemed to be the perfect mark for him and he seized on it. Wife #1 has truly laid low and wants no part of this...I can't blame her.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Will he still be her hero if he does plead guilty? I suspect there will be a Peacock sequel where she claims that she is in intense trauma counseling and the children also.

She will assume the role of ‘What was it like to be married to a serial killer, rapist and torturer’. She will do books, 48 Hours, Dateline, 20/20, Netflix, talk shows, etc

I wish someone would be brave enough to get footage from the dilapidated house.

Wow..A brilliant money making future grifting scenario for AE/Macedonio and Peacock.
I have a feeling at the very least there's someone in the industry that has at least one or two of your ideas already cooking....tragically.
Though I am impressed by your creative imagination.

When I see the coming attractions I'll post them.lol
imo

 

[snooptroop88]

Perhaps another "rescue" in a DP state? We all know RH is a big "rescue" guy.

Family claims missing South Carolina woman was last seen with Gilgo Beach suspect

Julia Ann Bean, 36, vanished from Sumter County, South Carolina in May 2017. She hasn’t been seen or heard from since

www.the-independent.com

Daughter of missing S. Carolina mom believes she was last seen with Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann

“I have chills … I’ve seen him,” Julia Ann Bean’s daughter wrote in a text message.

nypost.com

If not her, maybe someone else in a DP state?

You know, I just can't picture Mr. Murder pleading out with no apparent incentive for... no reason whatsoever. I also can't see him pleading out for unlimited stockpiles of butter. It's gotta be a lot more substantive, but again, jmho. Right, I know it's not a deal, but maybe a little "goodwill hunting" in a DP abolition state.

He's scared of something, jmo. Think about it, if he's the sadist he's admitting to being in these horrendous murders, would he really go ahead at this point and plead out with no incentive?

There's something in it for him somewhere, potentially.

 

[maamager]

There is public defender who claims to be a colleague of RH’s attorneys who said this plea was an “open secret” and that the attorneys “worked very hard” to see this through. Seems like they might have actually worked something out? source

 

[Izzylizzy]

Anyone else remember Ray Tierney at a presser when asked about the other victims and he said that they are continuing their Investigations but there will not be any new charges added to this case?
Will RH admit to the murder of Asian Doe as part of getting a guilty plea deal?

And/or the dismemberment/murder of Karen Vergata?

Remember this.

"asian escorts manhattan" and "asian twink tied up porn" associated with an email account linked to Heuermann.


imo

 

[PCHS]

Perhaps another "rescue" in a DP state? We all know RH is a big "rescue" guy.

Family claims missing South Carolina woman was last seen with Gilgo Beach suspect

Julia Ann Bean, 36, vanished from Sumter County, South Carolina in May 2017. She hasn’t been seen or heard from since

www.the-independent.com

Daughter of missing S. Carolina mom believes she was last seen with Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann

“I have chills … I’ve seen him,” Julia Ann Bean’s daughter wrote in a text message.

nypost.com

If not her, maybe someone else in a DP state?

You know, I just can't picture Mr. Murder pleading out with no apparent incentive for... no reason whatsoever. I also can't see him pleading out for unlimited stockpiles of butter. It's gotta be a lot more substantive, but again, jmho. Right, I know it's not a deal, but maybe a little "goodwill hunting" in a DP abolition state.

He's scared of something, jmo. Think about it, if he's the sadist he's admitting to being in these horrendous murders, would he really go ahead at this point and plead out with no incentive?

There's something in it for him somewhere, potentially.

I would presume his attorneys have convinced him there is no winning at a trial. I think the prosecutor would ethically need to agree to a plea that keeps him LWOP with a negotiated range of cell/jail placement options/+ advising him they could go for worse sections of the prison etc + if hes is found guilty + if his current care isn't that great telling him that this would be prolonged ...not really a deal per se but the prosecutors would be derelict if they didn't agree to something like that and if he has no chance then he would be smart to also work within the same to retain the best possible quality of life he can in prison.

 

[dennistakes14theteam]

I think he did the bathroom/kitchen before when they weren't there - possibly as a cover? IDK..

The wife and kids went back to Iceland for 5 weeks and when they got home he’d completely ripped out the bathroom and redone the whole thing. She thought it was a ‘nice surprise’ - I think it’s a little convenient and I hate to think what happened in there for him to completely change the whole bathroom

 

[snarast]

The wife and kids went back to Iceland for 5 weeks and when they got home he’d completely ripped out the bathroom and redone the whole thing. She thought it was a ‘nice surprise’ - I think it’s a little convenient and I hate to think what happened in there for him to completely change the whole bathroom

Melissa disappeared then. But she wasn’t dismembered. And she was tiny. I don’t want to think about it. Maybe he couldn’t get in and he broke the door frame.

 

[joe jones]

And see what ? The house was in a disarray. The locked room downstairs had a combination and had all the guns etc..did they even have access? His wife appeared devoted and subservient and possibly not all there cognitively. His kid said she hadn't been in the room. She was a bit off herself, was close to her father it seems, and appears to be socially awkward herself. Who is going to be wandering in and breaking into what looked like a locked safe? I know people may disagree with me but I do believe if the wife was involved LE wouldn't let it go and I believe in giving some grace. Is this a weird family? IMO yes..but complicit/involved in him being a serial killer...I can't go there without proof imo. It's just me. I truly believe LE would have done more of a deep dive in the wife if they had an inkling she could have been party to this. And I do think that one attorney going after his daughter is just not ok but I think he has been pointed out to be problematic for other reasons.

I think men with proclivities like his pick women who are subservient, who will not go prying into rooms or areas he tells them not too, who do not question him closely if he is out all times of night and day and doesn't say where he has been, I think they do this years Before they progress to rape and murder, when they are in the fantasizing stages, before they progress into the actual acting out of fantasying, by the time they are committing there crimes the women in there lives are not questioning or enquiring about what they are up to (this is not to disparage any women, some women are submissive, and are happy to allow there partner to do what he wants without question)

I think of BTK wife and daughter, didn't know anything about what he had done, GSK wife and wife and daughter of Abby and Libbys murderer,

many wives have no idea and I think this is another family who knew nothing of his crimes,

Now me, well I would be the wrong pick if you wish to keep secrets, as I would be in every room that you told me not to go into, and would rifle through all your stuff, as that is my personality, I say not nosey but curious, if you were out at odd times night or day with no good explanation I would be investigating where you had been,

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

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[PCHS]

I think men with proclivities like his pick women who are subservient, who will not go prying into rooms or areas he tells them not too, who do not question him closely if he is out all times of night and day and doesn't say where he has been, I think they do this years Before they progress to rape and murder, when they are in the fantasizing stages, before they progress into the actual acting out of fantasying, by the time they are committing there crimes the women in there lives are not questioning or enquiring about what they are up to (this is not to disparage any women, some women are submissive, and are happy to allow there partner to do what he wants without question)

I think of BTK wife and daughter, didn't know anything about what he had done, GSK wife and wife and daughter of Abby and Libbys murderer,

many wives have no idea and I think this is another family who knew nothing of his crimes,

Now me, well I would be the wrong pick if you wish to keep secrets, as I would be in every room that you told me not to go into, and would rifle through all your stuff, as that is my personality, I say not nosey but curious, if you were out at odd times night or day with no good explanation I would be investigating where you had been,

I mean if he wants to get married/keep a family front/have companionship, someone who is likely damaged themselves and unlikely to question, be easy to manage with a different sense of what is normal, is the mark. She seems to fit that description to me and imo.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I would presume his attorneys have convinced him there is no winning at a trial. I think the prosecutor would ethically need to agree to a plea that keeps him LWOP with a negotiated range of cell/jail placement options/+ advising him they could go for worse sections of the prison etc + if hes is found guilty + if his current care isn't that great telling him that this would be prolonged ...not really a deal per se but the prosecutors would be derelict if they didn't agree to something like that and if he has no chance then he would be smart to also work within the same to retain the best possible quality of life he can in prison.

A year ago Tierney was running out of money and the feds released 13 million in frozen assets to him.
IIRC: The money was from the prior corrupt administration .
So Tierney also would also be saving Suffolk County tax papers a few million by not going to trial.
He's a tough cookie and I have no doubt he will rake RH over the coals then rake him some more.
imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

The wife and kids went back to Iceland for 5 weeks and when they got home he’d completely ripped out the bathroom and redone the whole thing. She thought it was a ‘nice surprise’ - I think it’s a little convenient and I hate to think what happened in there for him to completely change the whole bathroom

Your mention of the bathroom caused me to remember something.
Tierney had said that the public only knows of a small percentage of the evidence they have.
He could have evidence from the bathroom and god knows where else from the house.
imo

 

[PCHS]

A year ago Tierney was running out of money and the feds released 13 million in frozen assets to him.
IIRC: The money was from the prior corrupt administration .
So Tierney also would also be saving Suffolk County tax papers a few million by not going to trial.
He's a tough cookie and I have no doubt he will rake RH over the coals then rake him some more.
imo

I mean I would be ok if his current living conditions are deficient enough that he had something to gain by pleading guilty in exchange for discussing which wing of the penitentiary he will be able to potentially have access to for the rest of his life.

 

[Ruminations]

Perhaps another "rescue" in a DP state? We all know RH is a big "rescue" guy.

Family claims missing South Carolina woman was last seen with Gilgo Beach suspect

Julia Ann Bean, 36, vanished from Sumter County, South Carolina in May 2017. She hasn’t been seen or heard from since

www.the-independent.com

Daughter of missing S. Carolina mom believes she was last seen with Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann

“I have chills … I’ve seen him,” Julia Ann Bean’s daughter wrote in a text message.

nypost.com

If not her, maybe someone else in a DP state?

You know, I just can't picture Mr. Murder pleading out with no apparent incentive for... no reason whatsoever. I also can't see him pleading out for unlimited stockpiles of butter. It's gotta be a lot more substantive, but again, jmho. Right, I know it's not a deal, but maybe a little "goodwill hunting" in a DP abolition state.

He's scared of something, jmo. Think about it, if he's the sadist he's admitting to being in these horrendous murders, would he really go ahead at this point and plead out with no incentive?

There's something in it for him somewhere, potentially.

I don't see how pleading guilty in one state would do anything except hasten the possibility of getting convicted in another, being that NY would have good reason to not release him to face another charge unless the NY case were resolved.

And, not because I want anybody executed on my dime, but because I want justice for the victims....I really hope cases like Julie Bean are solved.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

There is public defender who claims to be a colleague of RH’s attorneys who said this plea was an “open secret” and that the attorneys “worked very hard” to see this through. Seems like they might have actually worked something out? source

Gilgo Beach killings: Why would Rex Heuermann plead guilty? Experts point to strategies.

They explored possible reasons behind the apparent turn of events — and expressed surprise.

www.newsday.com