Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[PCHS]

It's not John Ray that you need to believe, its the women witnesses who gave written and oral testimony, signed affidavits of their past experience with Rex Heuermann. Some were/are willing to testify in court. Some already gave public statements along with signed affidavits. They were all questioned and their stories investigated. Are you questioning their honesty because some of these witnesses (not all) are former sex workers? If so, isn't that why it took so long for these victims and their families to see justice?

No I am not questioning their honesty. I am however not accepting at face value what JR represents to be reliable accurate information. I think, perhaps for whatever reason he is willing to perpetuate information that may have implications which may or may not be true. That's all. I'm also not rejecting the idea that they engaged in threesomes or swinging activity, I have no way to know one way or the other or given that much consideration, but I am giving the benefit of the doubt that his family did not know he was a serial killer until LE changes their stance. That is all I am saying.

 

[Betty P]

Well, first of all, AB kept cutting her off when she was trying to describe what occurred. Secondly, this occurred in 1996 I believe and that is 30 years ago. She is 30 years older, being interviewed by a very abrupt woman, and I get the sense she needed more time to put her thoughts to words. She also may have been on medication which slows down a person's train of thought. I believe her!
MOO

The details she gives about the evening, about Rex and his wife are very unique with more relevant details than you would expect from someone making up a story. She remembers how he talked, that he smirked a lot, the things hid wife said. Her story is also consistent here, she's saying the same things in the interview that she provided in her affidavit.

Agree, she's 30 years older, possibly on medication, but she's very clear in what she's relating in the interview. She has nothing to gain from going public with her experience, but she also loses her privacy. This seems like something she felt was important to share, in order to help convict Rex Heuermann. The primary reason she's sharing this information is to ensure he's convicted and possibly help connect him to the murder of Karen Vergata.

Personally, I don't think Rex's wife participated in the murders, but I do think she was aware of his extramarital activities, probably aware of his sadistic tendencies and looked the other way. I also suspect that, if she and Rex were involved in the "swingers" community as a couple, she knew other people in that local sub-culture.

 

[Forest_Wood]

The details she gives about the evening, about Rex and his wife are very unique with more relevant details than you would expect from someone making up a story. She remembers how he talked, that he smirked a lot, the things hid wife said. Her story is also consistent here, she's saying the same things in the interview that she provided in her affidavit.

Agree, she's 30 years older, possibly on medication, but she's very clear in what she's relating in the interview. She has nothing to gain from going public with her experience, but she also loses her privacy. This seems like something she felt was important to share, in order to help convict Rex Heuermann. The primary reason she's sharing this information is to ensure he's convicted and possibly help connect him to the murder of Karen Vergata.

Another thing I noticed is LP remembered their conversation because she recalled AE calling her a foreigner and that she was from another country too. I don't know if this lady was born in another country or here in the U.S.A., but I sensed she felt AE didn't want to participate in the bedroom as she put it, because she was black. This video was recorded maybe 2-3 years ago, so the event happened a little less than 30 years, but racism was in your face 30 years ago. LP was very impacted by abandoning that girl there, potentially Karen Vergatta. She sensed something was very wrong with the situation and likely still has guilt about it. I don't think a person would ever forget meeting (or having sex) with RH.
MOO
Edited for clarity

 

[Izzylizzy]

Well, first of all, AB kept cutting her off when she was trying to describe what occurred. Secondly, this occurred in 1996 I believe and that is 30 years ago. She is 30 years older, being interviewed by a very abrupt woman, and I get the sense she needed more time to put her thoughts to words. She also may have been on medication which slows down a person's train of thought. I believe her!
MOO

I had posted at the time that it was one of the worst, unprepared interviews I've seen by AB.
Did you see JR's Symposium when at the end of it Lorraine P spoke?
The stage was videoed from like 100 ft away so you couldn't really see the people speaking and the sound was so low it was just about inaudible.
A complete waste and then came LP's interview with AB which was close up and she came across as out of it.
I certainly wanted to believe her but it turned into a total disaster and I hold JR responsible.

LP may have been the crucial witness in finding out who was responsible for the mutilation and murder of Karen Vergata and the only hope I have is that she and JR gave info to Harrison that was passed on to Tierney and it was being investigated along with the other victims found that RH wasn't charged in murdering them.

Also we never heard another peep about LP's ex-boyfriend who she said was a NYC narc.at the time and JR said he has his name.
imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

No I am not questioning their honesty. I am however not accepting at face value what JR represents to be reliable accurate information. I think, perhaps for whatever reason he is willing to perpetuate information that may have implications which may or may not be true. That's all. I'm also not rejecting the idea that they engaged in threesomes or swinging activity, I have no way to know one way or the other or given that much consideration, but I am giving the benefit of the doubt that his family did not know he was a serial killer until LE changes their stance. That is all I am saying.

BBM:
"but I am giving the benefit of the doubt that his family did not know he was a serial killer until LE changes their stance. That is all I am saying."

Even for me it's a bridge too far thinking that AE knew he was a serial killer and the local serial killer to boot that made the front pages of their newspapers/TV off and on for years.
Though she may have contemplated it.

Yet if AE saw her husband's memento in her bedroom I wonder if she got a jolt?

imo

Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann kept NY Post article, other clippings about the murders: prosecutors

Long Island cops searching the accused killer’s home in May found a copy of The Post in his bedroom — among other reports he saved about the grisly slayings.

nypost.com

 

[Forest_Wood]

Personally, I don't think Rex's wife participated in the murders, but I do think she was aware of his extramarital activities, probably aware of his sadistic tendencies and looked the other way. I also suspect that, if she and Rex were involved in the "swingers" community as a couple, she knew other people in that local sub-culture.

Agree!

 

[Forest_Wood]

Also we never heard another peep about LP's ex-boyfriend who she said was a NYC narc.at the time and JR said he has his name.

Why won't they name him!

 

[Izzylizzy]

Why won't they name him!

All I remember is JR said at a presser that Harrison has his name and it's being investigated.
After all is said and done with LP's entry all that matters is the info LE got from her.
IIRC: JR also said that LP had been interviewed or will be interviewed by detectives.
Same thing with the female taxi driver who also signed an affidavit.
imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

After rereading this my hope for VH is that she took her Peacock money and got far,far away from her mother, got a nice place to live and began the very long road with a therapist who specializes in extreme childhood ???.

VH was 26, still lived at home and worked for her father and I have yet to hear of any ex-boyfriends...all very concerning and very very sad.
Hopefully Christopher can be spared as much as possible and he has some good men around him now.


There's a lot packed into this article said by VH and here's a very telling quote from AE that I hadn't read before or if I did it was dismissed as not relevant at the time.
A guilty plea changes all that for Asa.

imo

"When Ellerup was asked if she is still asking herself how she couldn't know about what her ex-husband has been accused of, she replied, "No."

"I'm not asking myself that question because I believe that I would know. And until I see definite, definitive proof, there's no way I'm going to know for sure, whether or not I saw the signs," Ellerup said.

Daughter of Gilgo Beach Suspect Believes Her Father 'Most Likely' Did It

"Listen, whether the world likes it or not, whether I like it or not, he's my dad," Victoria Heuermann said in a new documentary series.

www.today.com

 

[snooptroop88]

I'm alarmed by the art the daughter allegedly made or shared:

Victoria Heuermann's 'Demonic' Artwork: Breakdown of the sadistic images

Attorney John Ray shared the "sadistic" images that Victoria Heuermann, the daughter of Rex Heuermann, was creating and viewing.

www.newsweek.com

If this really is her Tumblr, this is very very strange to say the least.

Exactly, and so am I, and so are many on here. Like that's "everyday"? Whose "everyday" does that look like??? That's just... it's something you can't ignore, I'm sorry. That was John Ray's point, jmo. His articulation of it, though, got him into trouble, jmho.

I don't think anyone in that house knew. I think that they were living with a vicious, hulking monster who emitted one heck of an aura of evil, nobody could be spared from it. Darkness permeated that house in more ways than one, he was the root of it. Quite frankly, I'd more wonder if they themselves were safe in that situation rather than think any of them were on board. (With that said, though, it's not impossible.)

I believe every word from the John Ray witnesses. I don't know for certain AE was aware of the swinging. The JR witness noted that this woman-- believed at the time to be AE-- supposedly made some comment that wouldn't be accurate in terms of AE's background. Because of that I've always wondered if that was AE at all. RH didn't kill every sex worker he came into contact with. Maybe AE was away then, too, and the woman RH was with that night was being paid to play the role. Far-fetched? The guy has a "things to do" list for slaughtering people. Nothing with him can be "far-fetched," but jmo. The answer lies in how much time AE and RH really spent together, jmho. Investigators are going to be able to pretty quickly assess for that, and my guess is that they already have, and I bet AE and RH didn't spend all that much time together at all. Notice how he's showing up for vacations on different dates, individually? Right, RH is just such a busy guy, he'll get out there when he can, it'll take some doing, but he'll get things juggled around on the time... In his logs, he has "dinner with wife." Notice the lack of a name there. To him, that is her critical role, the SK needs the "wife,"it's as essential for him as curtains on the window. The foundation for their relationship was forged in their youth, making her perhaps feel she knew him well. But the reality could have been that she never really knew him at all, and he made sure it stayed that way.

 

[Kemug]

It seems to me that it would be the best thing if this particular twig of humanity is allowed to die out.

 

[cenazoic]

Maybe AE was away then, too, and the woman RH was with that night was being paid to play the role.

Or an accomplice, which isn’t unheard of.

Cf:
Paul Bernardo / Karla Homolka
Fred and Rosemary West
Ian Brady / Myra Hindley
David Ray Parker / Cindy Hendy
Marc Dutroux / Michelle Martin

Although on second thought, all of these women were romantically involved with the killer, so maybe this isn’t quite the point I thought it was.

 

[Forest_Wood]

After rereading this my hope for VH is that she took her Peacock money and got far,far away from her mother, got a nice place to live and began the very long road with a therapist who specializes in extreme childhood ???.

VH was 26, still lived at home and worked for her father and I have yet to hear of any ex-boyfriends...all very concerning and very very sad.
Hopefully Christopher can be spared as much as possible and he has some good men around him now.


There's a lot packed into this article said by VH and here's a very telling quote from AE that I hadn't read before or if I did it was dismissed as not relevant at the time.
A guilty plea changes all that for Asa.

imo

"When Ellerup was asked if she is still asking herself how she couldn't know about what her ex-husband has been accused of, she replied, "No."

"I'm not asking myself that question because I believe that I would know. And until I see definite, definitive proof, there's no way I'm going to know for sure, whether or not I saw the signs," Ellerup said.

Daughter of Gilgo Beach Suspect Believes Her Father 'Most Likely' Did It

"Listen, whether the world likes it or not, whether I like it or not, he's my dad," Victoria Heuermann said in a new documentary series.

www.today.com

Daughter of Gilgo Beach Suspect Believes Her Father 'Most Likely' Did It

"Listen, whether the world likes it or not, whether I like it or not, he's my dad," Victoria Heuermann said in a new documentary series.

www.today.com

"Now that this life in this house is coming to an end, it makes me feel like there's a new beginning," Ellerup said in an interview outside of her home. "What that life is going to be like, I do not know. I will find out eventually, and I will deal with it the best that I can. I did what I had to do to protect myself and my children."

She and her children will be living their best life yet IMO. A brand new wealthy life, while the families of the victims continue to suffer the loss of their loved ones.
MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

If RH pleads guilty and he's shipped off to prison there's now his gun collection.

Being a convicted felon does RH get to decide who they can be transferred to?

Does the state automatically get to keep all the unregistered ones?

'More than 40 firearms belonging to suspect in Gilgo Beach killings appear to be illegally possessed, prosecutors say'​

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/us/gilgo-beach-suspect-guns-wednesday

A total of 280 firearms seized.

“At least 26 unregistered handguns, 15 unregistered assault weapons, and 10 high-capacity magazines appear to have been possessed in the defendant’s home in violation of Penal Law Article 265,” Suffolk County Assistant District Attorney Lawrence Opisso wrote in Tuesday’s filing."

 

[PCHS]

After rereading this my hope for VH is that she took her Peacock money and got far,far away from her mother, got a nice place to live and began the very long road with a therapist who specializes in extreme childhood ???.

VH was 26, still lived at home and worked for her father and I have yet to hear of any ex-boyfriends...all very concerning and very very sad.
Hopefully Christopher can be spared as much as possible and he has some good men around him now.


There's a lot packed into this article said by VH and here's a very telling quote from AE that I hadn't read before or if I did it was dismissed as not relevant at the time.
A guilty plea changes all that for Asa.

imo

"When Ellerup was asked if she is still asking herself how she couldn't know about what her ex-husband has been accused of, she replied, "No."

"I'm not asking myself that question because I believe that I would know. And until I see definite, definitive proof, there's no way I'm going to know for sure, whether or not I saw the signs," Ellerup said.

Daughter of Gilgo Beach Suspect Believes Her Father 'Most Likely' Did It

"Listen, whether the world likes it or not, whether I like it or not, he's my dad," Victoria Heuermann said in a new documentary series.

www.today.com

Yes no question she was refusing to see it almost obstinately. AE was definitely "off" imo And you can tell VH was struggling with it all - at the end it said she had basically come to terms with the fact that she believed her father was guilty. That being said she is definitely odd herself and did not seem like someone who would have an active social circle, boyfriend etc which makes this somehow even sadder in a way, if her family/father was her main support system (purely speculative) Hopefully she is able to get some of the money from this to get the extensive therapy, recovery she will likely need and she is able to separate herself from all of it and build a new more functional support system for herself. BTK's daughter also seemed a bit odd to me as well, but she definitely had her own functioning life apart which may have helped her. Perhaps she will be a good support system for VH.

 

[hot cawfeee]

Daughter of Gilgo Beach Suspect Believes Her Father 'Most Likely' Did It

"Listen, whether the world likes it or not, whether I like it or not, he's my dad," Victoria Heuermann said in a new documentary series.

www.today.com

"Now that this life in this house is coming to an end, it makes me feel like there's a new beginning," Ellerup said in an interview outside of her home. "What that life is going to be like, I do not know. I will find out eventually, and I will deal with it the best that I can. I did what I had to do to protect myself and my children."

She and her children will be living their best life yet IMO. A brand new wealthy life, while the families of the victims continue to suffer the loss of their loved ones.
MOO

Well said...this new life comes at the expense and suffering of others...........Maybe after soul searching and counseling, she will do something to help victims and their families .......side note I know someone who grew up in a very traumatic home (Mother bi-polar schizophrenic and drug addict...Father PTSD/anger issues/and brain damage......He became very adept at tuning things out to the point of not seeing something in front of him like a pile of dirty dishes or "not seeing" something on the ground....tune it out and move forward)......I think AE and the kids were so conditioned to RH and his moods and the fact its his house that he maintains (ok lol eye roll that) that it was a matter of survival.......just my thoughts

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yes no question she was refusing to see it almost obstinately. AE was definitely "off" imo And you can tell VH was struggling with it all - at the end it said she had basically come to terms with the fact that she believed her father was guilty. That being said she is definitely odd herself and did not seem like someone who would have an active social circle, boyfriend etc which makes this somehow even sadder in a way, if her family/father was her main support system (purely speculative) Hopefully she is able to get some of the money from this to get the extensive therapy, recovery she will likely need and she is able to separate herself from all of it and build a new more functional support system for herself. BTK's daughter also seemed a bit odd to me as well, but she definitely had her own functioning life apart which may have helped her. Perhaps she will be a good support system for VH.

I agree with all except BKT's daughter Kerri Rawson being a good support.
KR pushes the Jesus train and sees every opportunity that arises as money grab.
She had a NYTs best seller, another book,a documentary, has a $$$ booking agent for interviews and speeches, loves the camera and still has a fundraiser going all in the name of being an advocate for victims.
I find everything about KR distasteful.
imo

 

[Forest_Wood]

Well said...this new life comes at the expense and suffering of others...........Maybe after soul searching and counseling, she will do something to help victims and their families .......side note I know someone who grew up in a very traumatic home (Mother bi-polar schizophrenic and drug addict...Father PTSD/anger issues/and brain damage......He became very adept at tuning things out to the point of not seeing something in front of him like a pile of dirty dishes or "not seeing" something on the ground....tune it out and move forward)......I think AE and the kids were so conditioned to RH and his moods and the fact its his house that he maintains (ok lol eye roll that) that it was a matter of survival.......just my thoughts

Denial and minimization are human coping mechanisms for sure. Although 25+ years of seeing nothing and hearing nothing and smelling nothing and sensing nothing is very hard for me to make sense out of. The biggest turn-off for me is hearing zero sympathy for the victims from AE or her adult daughter, not even an acknowledgement of the pain the families must be dealing with through all of this. IMO MOO.

 

[hot cawfeee]

Denial and minimization are human coping mechanisms for sure. Although 25+ years of seeing nothing and hearing nothing and smelling nothing and sensing nothing is very hard for me to make sense out of. The biggest turn-off for me is hearing zero sympathy for the victims from AE or her adult daughter, not even an acknowledgement of the pain the families must be dealing with through all of this. IMO MOO.

that is major deflection on their ! I'd love to hear her try to blame the victims...but of course AE doesn't believe RH did anything !
holy moly its chilling isn't it ???

 

[hot cawfeee]

I agree with all except BKT's daughter Kerri Rawson being a good support.
KR pushes the Jesus train and sees every opportunity that arises as money grab.
She had a NYTs best seller, another book,a documentary, has a $$$ booking agent for interviews and speeches, loves the camera and still has a fundraiser going all in the name of being an advocate for victims.
I find everything about KR distasteful.
imo

and thats the hell of it right ? the money made in the destruction...how I made it thru ! how I am surviving ! cue reality show.....whooo...sorry kids I have had three cup of cawfeee so far and am just waiting for April 8