Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[savysheart]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before here, but has anyone suggested that VH's supposed interests may be more innate than learned? Kinks and fetishes are still being studied, but there is research out there suggesting they are genetic and passed down/inherited from parents. Not always learned. A lot of people know what they like at a young age, before sexual material even influences them. We've seen it in serial killers before. I mean, if that story about Rex suspending a girl into the air during high school is true (I take it with a grain of salt), it does seem like Rex knew what he liked before adulthood. VH being into this stuff, if she actually is, could simply be a trait present in her father that also occurred in her.

And, as gross as someone may find it, that doesn't mean they have committed a crime. There are online communities with people like this, they make grotesque fanart and gory fanfiction, which again, doesn't suggest illegal activity. I really don't think she was involved. Not because of her character or anything, because I don't know her, but because Rex was so tedious and took great steps so he would not get caught. (We know how that went though.) Let's say for hypothetical purposes he did kill after 2010 -- which is the only way she could have known -- involving his daughter in subsequent murders would drastically increase the chances of her going to the police. It also seemed like a 1 man operation, if you know what I mean.

Also, I think it's possible she did see some aspects of her father's "hobby" or at the very least saw his Google searches. I found disturbing searches on my stepfather's computer as a child, and they still stick with me to this day. All it took was me being nosy on the computer and accidentally typing a word that was very close to the search term he had looked up. I find it hard to believe that a child wouldn't snoop, even just stumble on something and they didn't realize what it was years later. I really think that's the extent of it.

All my own thoughts. I know most of us want to move on from this point but I've been sitting on this for a while... hope that's OK.

 

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[nhmemorymaker]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before here, but has anyone suggested that VH's supposed interests may be more innate than learned? Kinks and fetishes are still being studied, but there is research out there suggesting they are genetic and passed down/inherited from parents. Not always learned. A lot of people know what they like at a young age, before sexual material even influences them. We've seen it in serial killers before. I mean, if that story about Rex suspending a girl into the air during high school is true (I take it with a grain of salt), it does seem like Rex knew what he liked before adulthood. VH being into this stuff, if she actually is, could simply be a trait present in her father that also occurred in her.

And, as gross as someone may find it, that doesn't mean they have committed a crime. There are online communities with people like this, they make grotesque fanart and gory fanfiction, which again, doesn't suggest illegal activity. I really don't think she was involved. Not because of her character or anything, because I don't know her, but because Rex was so tedious and took great steps so he would not get caught. (We know how that went though.) Let's say for hypothetical purposes he did kill after 2010 -- which is the only way she could have known -- involving his daughter in subsequent murders would drastically increase the chances of her going to the police. It also seemed like a 1 man operation, if you know what I mean.

Also, I think it's possible she did see some aspects of her father's "hobby" or at the very least saw his Google searches. I found disturbing searches on my stepfather's computer as a child, and they still stick with me to this day. All it took was me being nosy on the computer and accidentally typing a word that was very close to the search term he had looked up. I find it hard to believe that a child wouldn't snoop, even just stumble on something and they didn't realize what it was years later. I really think that's the extent of it.

All my own thoughts. I know most of us want to move on from this point but I've been sitting on this for a while... hope that's OK.

I appreciate your point. I certainly think there is lots of research out there on hereditary violence.

Right now there is a case that blew up in LA. A guy killed a girlfriend from 13'years ago, kidnapped her 2 daughters, and killed one of them. Evidence shows that the dead daughter and the living daughter (I think she is 6) were in an area noted for sex trafficking .
The SISTER of the killer says he has been bad forever, and always trying to emulate his father, a serial killer.

And not speculating VH, but really hope we learn more about other family members, because we know sooo little, or some are soooo distant and unknown.
It is just so hard to study RH, and not believe there is weirder history here.
moo.moo.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Who will or won't be standing by RH tomorrow if his June 18,2024 court appearance is still scheduled?

April 17,2024
"Heuermann is due back in court on June 18. Judge Timothy Mazzie wants all discovery turned over by the end of July."

Gilgo Beach murder suspect appears in court as prosecutors turn over discovery

On Wednesday, prosecutors disclosed evidence involving one of the victims: Maureen Brainard-Barnes.

abc7ny.com

 

[sds71]

The court date has changed.

Heuermann was remanded without bail and is expected in court July 30.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/06/us/gilgo-beach-killings-rex-heuermann-indictment/index.html

Next Appearance​

• Date:July 30, 2024
• Time:09:00 AM
• Court:Suffolk County Court
• Suffolk County Court-Riverhead
• Judge:Mazzei, Timothy P.
• Part:7

Case Details - Appearances

 

[fred&edna]

While I didn't come away from JR's press conference believing nor thinking (nor even contemplating) VH's actual involvement in any crimes. I did come away thinking she (and maybe others) were likely exposed to and were aware (or knew) that gruesome torture sex/physical harm might have been acceptable/taking place in the home. And, that is quite troubling to me (and I understand that may not be troubling to others). However, I do find it strange that just sharing the thought of her awareness here on WS was quickly translated into the assumption of complicity in any crimes - regardless of what JR may have said or implied.

jmo

 

[Betty P]

Still, those paintings were from a time when ”hung, drawn and quartered” was a rather common punishment.

That said, of course a goth set of aesthetics is hardly illegal or indicative of anything. Delving into the most perverted - the cannibalism and carving new orifices - aspects probably shows a preoccupation that is unusual.

I think the interest in gore porn seems important in this case because the individual is the daughter of a serial killer who killed women in their own home and was active for most of her life. It's context.

ETA: Not saying she was involved in the killings, but that there might be some other association. JMO

That said, I'm going to wait to see what develops, if there's new information. Not much more can be done except send best wishes to all of the victims.

 

[Ruminations]

While I didn't come away from JR's press conference believing nor thinking (nor even contemplating) VH's actual involvement in any crimes. I did come away thinking she (and maybe others) were likely exposed to and were aware (or knew) that gruesome torture sex/physical harm might have been acceptable/taking place in the home. And, that is quite troubling to me (and I understand that may not be troubling to others). However, I do find it strange that just sharing the thought of her awareness here on WS was quickly translated into the assumption of complicity in any crimes - regardless of what JR may have said or implied.

jmo

I agree with your take-away from the info at the presser.

But I felt like there was an unnecessarily harsh jump to "How could such terrible, mean things be said about VH?" with excessive pearl clutching.

Was John Ray was suggesting that VH was interested in the images from a point of view of liking them? I think he was. Do I agree with that? Not really. Not that I have any special information, but I tend to think these images and that awful (for its timing) tee shirt were more likely VH trying to make sense of her father than liking the same things.

I really don't get why people couldn't calmly react to the info and calmly disagree with the inferences.

I think John Ray has an extra reason he might be side-eyeing any female who could in any way, shape or form be an accomplice. He mentioned a female being involved with the pizza sending stalking incident. That had to be very scary, being that the people involved are likely murderers.

I don't take the information as something that means to me VH was involved rather than affected by Rex. But that doesn't mean I throw out the information, just because ai don't interpret it the same way.

I recall that John Ray has not yet brought us information that was wrong. Ever.

I just interpret it my way. VH was obviously impacted by Rex in some way, and is thus, a witness.

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

The court date has changed.

Heuermann was remanded without bail and is expected in court July 30.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/06/us/gilgo-beach-killings-rex-heuermann-indictment/index.html

Next Appearance​

• Date:July 30, 2024
• Time:09:00 AM
• Court:Suffolk County Court
• Suffolk County Court-Riverhead
• Judge:Mazzei, Timothy P.
• Part:7

Case Details - Appearances

Thank you.
The July 30 status hearing surely changed the status of the 6/18 one.

 

[Ruminations]

Isn't that the crux of this? So far, for the specific crimes the taskforce has found evidence to charge RH for, the family has been out of town.

They appear free and clean ON THIS CASE.

I take those statements to mean the family will not get a free pass on any other crime unless the evidence excludes them.

Well, there are three things.

1) We don't know how long victims were kept alive, nor do we know how long they were kept deceased. (Jessica, happy heavenly birthday, sweet angel, is the only victim we have a clear clue as to possible torso disposal date.)

2) There is a highly credible question about the dates of the Atlantic City trip.

3) Even if the family is shown to be away abduction through disposal of evidence, there would have to be clues like the construction and drain cleaning and burning and staining, possible new tires, old box of garbage bags, which was hardly used, has been replaced with a new package, etc. I get how hindsight is a different thing from knowing real time, and I know coercive control is likely, and can cause one to see what the controller wishes to be seen. So for this reason, I'd understand if the other residents of the house would not know what signs were signs. But they are witnesses and they have seen signs even if they don't know what they are. (In the spirit of presumption of innocence: what they saw, even if they can't identify it, could be exonerating evidence.)

Don't confuse being a witness and being accused. They are different things.

MOO

 

[Sciurida]

Ok, jmo, I doubt it's an anagram, honestly. He didn't anticipate anyone seeing this. Still, I'm going to bite and just run this past you. MISS-LEADERS

Okay, so if I take just this part MISS-LE, it looks like "missile" to me. Okay, no "I," though. But if I add the "I" in with the remaining letters, I can get RAIDERS. So MISS(I)LE RAIDERS. Do I think this has some significance? Okay, well, I'd think of a dart gun. And if you "miss," maybe. And darts are projectiles, a type of missile.

But JMO, I think he's just a really bad speller. I think he was just looking out for those victims he drew information from and was anticipating he may not always have gotten the "full truth." Alternatively, maybe he was "reaching out" to others of the same twisted mind as his own, maybe in a limited way, maybe not, for information/collaboration and he knew that he couldn't fully trust them. But if I like "had to" go with an anagram type of deal, it would be the MISS(I)LE RAIDERS/"miss" like dart gun, perhaps.

I don't think RH is necessarily a bad speller. It's likely that the text was not written manually but rather using a dictation method, such as Apple's Siri or Google's Voice Typing, which resulted in some unusual spelling errors.

 

[sunspun]

I don't think RH is necessarily a bad speller.

What??? Did you SEE how he mangled the word "disorganized"?? More than once. Worst misspelling I've ever ever seen! lol ;-)

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The court date has changed.

Heuermann was remanded without bail and is expected in court July 30.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/06/us/gilgo-beach-killings-rex-heuermann-indictment/index.html

Next Appearance​

• Date:July 30, 2024
• Time:09:00 AM
• Court:Suffolk County Court
• Suffolk County Court-Riverhead
• Judge:Mazzei, Timothy P.
• Part:7

Case Details - Appearances

From the CNN article:
The 60-year-old architect was taken by surprise by Thursday’s charges, and he is “in a bad place in terms of the new charges,” his attorney Michael Brown said after his client appeared in an eastern Long Island courtroom.

Poor baby...

 

[fred&edna]

I don't think RH is necessarily a bad speller. It's likely that the text was not written manually but rather using a dictation method, such as Apple's Siri or Google's Voice Typing, which resulted in some unusual spelling errors.

I recall seeing a recent interview with two people who worked with RH previously, and one of them stated RH was not prone to misspelling words, particularly in documents (associated with his work). She suggested he had used some sort of speech to text just as you mentioned. I believe this is the correct link to that interview:

Welcome to WS

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The court date has changed.

Heuermann was remanded without bail and is expected in court July 30.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/06/us/gilgo-beach-killings-rex-heuermann-indictment/index.html

Next Appearance​

• Date:July 30, 2024
• Time:09:00 AM
• Court:Suffolk County Court
• Suffolk County Court-Riverhead
• Judge:Mazzei, Timothy P.
• Part:7

Case Details - Appearances

Also within the CNN article:

The bail application highlights that two different forensic laboratories determined hairs recovered on five of the six charged victims were tied to Heuermann, members of his immediate family or to people he lived with, according to the document.

What am I forgetting here????? Just the step-son or someone else???

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I don't think RH is necessarily a bad speller. It's likely that the text was not written manually but rather using a dictation method, such as Apple's Siri or Google's Voice Typing, which resulted in some unusual spelling errors.

yes, yes.
We do keep bringing this up on the threads, but with all the posts and pages, it gets "lost in translation" ha ha.

I don't know if it has been specifically been stated that they found such technology.... but I strongly believe he used something like Seri, or more modern versions. Audio translation tools have been around for decades, and they do misspell.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Also within the CNN article:

The bail application highlights that two different forensic laboratories determined hairs recovered on five of the six charged victims were tied to Heuermann, members of his immediate family or to people he lived with, according to the document.

What am I forgetting here????? Just the step-son or someone else???

IIRC 2 of AE, 1 of RH, I VH and 1 of his first wife or gf who lived in his home in ‘93

 

[Forest_Wood]

Aren't there news reports out there about RH's brother involved in a car crash when he was young resulting in the death of a police officer... he was drunk/on drugs or something? I wonder if he was convicted in that? I'd don't know about the other info.

jmo

ETA:

Rex Heuermann’s brother Craig killed police captain in 1988 crash while ‘coked up,’ drunk: court records

Craig Heuermann, 57, was “intoxicated and “coked-up” condition in the February 1988 crash in which he later pleaded guilty to criminally negligent homicide and driving while intox…

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I wonder if RH started killing shortly after his brother went to prison. Would he have been left home alone with his mother at that point? MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

IIRC 2 of AE, 1 of RH, I VH and 1 of his first wife or gf who lived in his home in ‘93

thanks. Geez, I really did miss the first wife!!!

 

[Ursamajr]

Did you see this piece?
IMO:
Knowing what her father is accused of certainly warrants a much closer description and possible interpretation of this piece and why she liked it.
Did she paint it too?
Just "bite marks"?
Just blood shot eyes and fanged teeth?
It very well portrays mutilation, rape, death, Nechophilia.

<modsnip>
Yes. I have seen that piece. In the link you posted, from Newsweek, they have conveniently cropped off VH's explanation of this piece. She felt necessary to say that the piece was inspired (and it is in the style of) Francis Bacon. Probably because it's not her usual art style and it's not content she usually would explore.

What I and we all know about VH is that she went to art school. I did too. It is not uncommon for artists to explore mediums and content in the style of classic artists (Francis Bacon is one) as a way to expand your own style and expression. Its actually quite common for this to be an assignment while in art school. Artists will usually pick an artist diametrically opposed to what they are used to as a way to grow and expand - to get out of their comfort zone and box. If you look at what VH used to post online, like multiple cartoons of humanized foxes talking to each other, it makes sense.

Also, never forget - Art is subjective. Art critique is made up of what the viewer sees in the art and quite often not even close to what the artist is trying to convey - or not convey! I'm not surprised that the subject of art (not matter who's it is) is a hot topic - we all interpret it differently and we see what we want to see.