Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #15

[snarast]

Just butting in here bc something that has been bothering me is the part in the document about "body wash". Was this done at home or ? Were they being held captive in the house? Sorry if this is well known info, I'm not up to date.

I think the hypothesis is that RH evolved toward lengthy torture of his victim in his house when the family/wife/mom was away. Source: Ray Tierney’s last two press conferences.

As an architect living in a hoarder house, he must have understood how hard it would be to get rid of their hair etc in a meticulous fashion. So possibly he hosed them down elsewhere, maybe in/using the avalanche.

 

[snarast]

He had an office INSIDE a building in midtown, for his architect company, "RH Consultants" (19 West 36th Street #9, New York, NY 10018). I highly, HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt he was outside in the crowds making those calls. I don't know why most people don't consider the fact that he was most likely INSIDE one of the buildings near where the calls were made. Not outside. Especially now that we know he had an office right there.

Would be interesting to know. I can see how caution might lead him to make such calls outside his office rather than inside.

 

[CuriousCricket]

He had an office INSIDE a building in midtown, for his architect company, "RH Consultants" (19 West 36th Street #9, New York, NY 10018). I highly, HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt he was outside in the crowds making those calls. I don't know why most people don't consider the fact that he was most likely INSIDE one of the buildings near where the calls were made. Not outside. Especially now that we know he had an office right there.

You know, you're right. Because they had utilized the cameras in Times Sq, my brain stayed there. I hope they have those messages. If so, I'll bet they can tell from the background noise. Thanks, because that's another point to ponder --
background sounds.

@snarast
"Would be interesting to know. I can see how caution might lead him to make such calls outside his office rather than inside."

I've thought the same thing. And think caution could work both ways. He might worry about being overheard if outside. However, people stride around at a pretty fast pace and if he were walking too, no one would catch more than a word or two - even if tuned in.

Perhaps people would wander into his office, but he could have locked it for crucial conversations.

Maybe even if we knew the times of the calls -- lunch time or after hours when RH more likely had the office to himself and might have felt comfortable enough -- perhaps after locking his office door?

Since I see RH as a game player, if he thought LE might try to find the killer using the cameras, I can see him enjoying wandering around in a noisy crowd . . . in plain sight knowing he was invisible - then. Now of course, with his height and build, I believe he'd stand out in those photos.

 

[snarast]

You know, you're right. Because they had utilized the cameras in Times Sq, my brain stayed there. I hope they have those messages. If so, I'll bet they can tell from the background noise. Thanks, because that's another point to ponder --
background sounds.

@snarast
"Would be interesting to know. I can see how caution might lead him to make such calls outside his office rather than inside."

I've thought the same thing. And think caution could work both ways. He might worry about being overheard if outside. However, people stride around at a pretty fast pace and if he were walking too, no one would catch more than a word or two - even if tuned in.

Perhaps people would wander into his office, but he could have locked it for crucial conversations.

Maybe even if we knew the times of the calls -- lunch time or after hours when RH more likely had the office to himself and might have felt comfortable enough -- perhaps after locking his office door?

Since I see RH as a game player, if he thought LE might try to find the killer using the cameras, I can see him enjoying wandering around in a noisy crowd . . . in plain sight knowing he was invisible - then. Now of course, with his height and build, I believe he'd stand out in those photos.

Sometimes people record conversations in the workplace unknowingly or deviously. So - risky since what was said is tied to you by location. It’s not just fleeting conversation by a stranger.

That said, maybe he would enjoy talking in his office in particular, watching his underlings while verbally torturing victims’ families.

 

[dotr]

A phone call RH made to a young female architect, eew, so slippery, makes me think of his business title as RH Con Sultan t. imo.
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Jul 16, 2023 #rexheuermann #longisland #gilgobeach
One woman still had a voicemail from the alleged serial killer - the message was obtained exclusively by Eyewitness News. Anthony Carlo has the details.

 

[james.coff]

From the press conferences I've seen, it appears to me that DA Tierney speaks only concerning the case(s) he is dealing with at the moment. He has detailed the team's working method: they take all the evidence from one victim and work just that. One case doesn't influence the next.

The evidence tells them whether or not RH was involved and whether or not the family was home. I see Tierney's stressing that the family was out-of-town or out-of-state tying the circumstances of the case under discussion to those already charged, highlighting RH's method of working on the particular crime under discussion. I thoroughly believe that when/if the Taskforce ever works a case where the family was home and the MO changes (we've seen it happen already) then Tierney will state that the family was home at the time of the crime just as he has said they were not home with the 6 RH is charged with so far.

RH is charged with the crimes the authorities believe they can win convictions on. Unless they reach the same stage of belief for other crimes, I doubt we'll even know which cases they are working.

It is my opinion that some of the deaths we believe belong to RH don't, and some we've never considered in his tally do. Among all the cases, even though the taskforce believes they belong to RH, there are probably some that will never be charged because there's not enough evidence to secure a conviction - yet. Forensics continue to improve. Prob better to not charge with weak evidence and wait than charge and lose the conviction as double jeopardy won't allow the same person to be charged later for the same crime.

I doubt we'll ever know for sure what the DA understands and doesn't understand as he has said they work in secret and he only talks when they can bring charges.

So far, so good, but the waiting is really tough.

Very well said, thank you!!! I love this site so much for allowing serious mature discussions and keeping on top of removing what is not!!

 

[CuriousCricket]

Sometimes people record conversations in the workplace unknowingly or deviously. So - risky since what was said is tied to you by location. It’s not just fleeting conversation by a stranger.

That said, maybe he would enjoy talking in his office in particular, watching his underlings while verbally torturing victims’ families.

Your post has made me wonder if perhaps he did record some conversations. How many phones were among the devices taken from his home and office. Anyone remember? What if he saved messages?

 

[eishish]

Your post has made me wonder if perhaps he did record some conversations. How many phones were among the devices taken from his home and office. Anyone remember? What if he saved messages?

May be some evidence to be used later. One can hope

 

[dotr]

Your post has made me wonder if perhaps he did record some conversations. How many phones were among the devices taken from his home and office. Anyone remember? What if he saved messages?

Trove of new evidence released in Long Island serial killer case as murder charge added

Prosecutors in Suffolk County, New York, have charged alleged serial killer Rex Heuermann with murdering Maureen Brainard-Barnes.

abcnews.go.com

Jan 24 '24 rbbm
'The new filing also revealed that prosecutors seized two phones from Heuermann at the time of his arrest that they said were held by him "in fictitious names and used for illicit activities." Prosecutors said Heuermann "utilized these phones in furtherance of hundreds of contacts with sex-workers between 2020 and 2023."

Prosecutors additionally revealed Tuesday they seized hundreds of electronic devices from Heuermann's Massapequa Park home and Manhattan office following his arrest.'

 

[james.coff]

I don’t know who, outside the current investigative team, could rule out anything at all regarding RH’s murderous journey.

That doesn’t mean I believe in everything Tierney’s team tells the public, though. Like, it’s just unlikely he has only murdered people inside his house. Yup, that is my opinion based on the HK2002-document and nothing more than that.

He had an office INSIDE a building in midtown, for his architect company, "RH Consultants" (19 West 36th Street #9, New York, NY 10018). I highly, HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt he was outside in the crowds making those calls. I don't know why most people don't consider the fact that he was most likely INSIDE one of the buildings near where the calls were made. Not outside. Especially now that we know he had an office right there.

I never even thought about that!!!! of course he did, IMO tooo!!


I only meant to out this one quote here, but don't know how to delete the one from snarast, sorry about that

 

[james.coff]

I have a theory about the belt and why Maureen was the only one w it. I think she fought like hell, more than he anticipated and more than he was prepared for. Or perhaps he thought she was dead and traveled to dump her but then realized she wasn't dead and maybe in a desperate attempt to subdue her/silence her/as sick as this is - make sure she was dead-he grabbed whatever was closest laying around or maybe he had emergency "tools" in his truck and the belt was one of them so he grabbed it but wasn't part of his original plan and that's why it was left there. Maybe he was all thrown off if she put up a fight and feared someone was coming down the road or something so in haste left the belt on her mistakenly. Again, these are just my theories but I think it's more plausible than assuming Maureen was murdered by someone other than LISK due to all the other similarities.

Great theory! I always think that some were probably not planned but more of a loss of control too. I have studied that belt so much and want to find out the name of that font. To me it looks more like HM, but I have been so busy, I haven't been able to dig deep into fonts. You make a very thought provoking point. When reading the HK doc, I felt that Jessica Taylor may have fought really hard too, and that made him want fix some "problems." I think he severely underestimated her as well, and it hurts to think about what these women went through.

 

[Passeridae]

If they can pin point where burner phones were can't they try to do the same with his for the dates they think he was active?

If he knew enough that he was using burners, he was probably turning his phone off or leaving it home during the actual abduction and the disposal parts of the crimes.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

If he knew enough that he was using burners, he was probably turning his phone off or leaving it home during the actual abduction and the disposal parts of the crimes.

Maybe, maybe not. He didn't know things could be retrieved after they are "deleted." I thought everyone knew that. jmoo

 

[willy wagtail]

Great theory! I always think that some were probably not planned but more of a loss of control too. I have studied that belt so much and want to find out the name of that font. To me it looks more like HM, but I have been so busy, I haven't been able to dig deep into fonts. You make a very thought provoking point. When reading the HK doc, I felt that Jessica Taylor may have fought really hard too, and that made him want fix some "problems." I think he severely underestimated her as well, and it hurts to think about what these women went through.

So which side does a man wear a belt ? Left or right

 

[james.coff]

So which side does a man wear a belt ? Left or right

I don't think that would be a factor, it looks like hot stamping or laser engraving and the W is very odd shaped IMO. I used to hot stamp keys for a college dorm after every semester and it looks more like an M to me.

 

[FromGermany1]

So which side does a man wear a belt ? Left or right

Men typically wear a belt counterclockwise, that is, from left to right, with the end of the belt going through the buckle and ending on the left side of the zipper. However, a left-handed person can wear his belt clockwise, that is, from right to left, due to his dominant hand.
Google

 

[Passeridae]

Maybe, maybe not. He didn't know things could be retrieved after they are "deleted." I thought everyone knew that. jmoo

I think he did, actually, because he apparently purchased several programs to "shred" deleted files and encrypt drives, and he kept all of his old hard drives and devices in storage. I think it was just something he learned after he stopped using the computer that the HK document was found on, and either he just never got around to it because he had it in his possession, or wasn't able to find software for such an out of date machine. MOO.

 

[Teche]

So which side does a man wear a belt ? Left or right

I believe it depends if the person is a lefty or righty. Both my son and I are lefties and our belts face the same way.

 

[Teche]

Men typically wear a belt counterclockwise, that is, from left to right, with the end of the belt going through the buckle and ending on the left side of the zipper. However, a left-handed person can wear his belt clockwise, that is, from right to left, due to his dominant hand.
Google

Agree. I'm a lefty.

 

[willy wagtail]

Agree. I'm a lefty.

So in saying that what are the initials both ways?