Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #16

[sunshineray]

I am now thinking some employees found the items and alerted LE but LE determined they were unrelated. Perhaps the employees thought they knew better than LE and/or were attracted to the potential sensation of the find so they alerted a rag (NYPost) that would be more than happy to print "the exclusive."

Sometimes "exclusives" are a great scoop and othertimes they are "exclusive" because no other outlet was interested.

jmopinion

Empty purses and clothes, no DNA from the salt water seeping down on them for possibly decades, tragic.

 

[Inthedetails]

Empty purses and clothes, no DNA from the salt water seeping down on them for possibly decades, tragic.

Just thinking - I would recognize an old purse of mine if I saw a photo. I wouldn't be able to tell you what I carried decades ago, but seeing a photo would jog my memory. I would likely recognize a purse a friend or relative carried too. Especially memorable if they were items lost at a beach!

For a few years in the 90s, all my sisters-in-law and I had the same purse after my grandmother-in-law gave them as Christmas gifts. I totally forgot about that until just now. I think memories could be jogged by seeing the purses. Did the article include photos?

But, then again, I am believing LE that they are not connected and the statute of limitations for small theft is likely long over.

jmopinion

 

[snarast]

And on the other hand it's so very sad that some of HIS victims and their families will likely never get closure because they cannot be connected to this monster who took their lives

I was thinking that too. But as these cases keep popping up, it’s just not realistic to drag this out for what will be years. And years.

Finality for all, this first trial will not lead to. That’s the next battle.

It must be irritating - for prosecutors and LE - not to be able to get all your ducks in a row, but it’s looking like a really long row, so maybe an alternative sorting method is required.

I am hoping others are able to pursue Tania and baby Tatiana, Karen and Asian Jane Doe. I believe RT has done a very sincere effort of getting these processes started.

I’m also hoping some South Carolina folks have a good team. That they have started getting FBI’s help to parse the various datasets. They will need that, I can’t imagine information collection would be as meticulous without one of the federal level agencies.

I hope South Carolina has a relevant county with a similarly resourceful, pragmatic and strategic DA as the other SC has been blessed with lately.

Cuz I wanna see RH bleed. 4real.

IMHOO

 

[sunshineray]

Just thinking - I would recognize an old purse of mine if I saw a photo. I wouldn't be able to tell you what I carried decades ago, but seeing a photo would jog my memory. I would likely recognize a purse a friend or relative carried too. Especially memorable if they were items lost at a beach!

For a few years in the 90s, all my sisters-in-law and I had the same purse after my grandmother-in-law gave them as Christmas gifts. I totally forgot about that until just now. I think memories could be jogged by seeing the purses. Did the article include photos?

But, then again, I am believing LE that they are not connected and the statute of limitations for small theft is likely long over.

jmopinion

I think you're right and someone may recognize a purse or clothing. I haven't seen any pictures of the items.

 

[sunshineray]

I was thinking that too. But as these cases keep popping up, it’s just not realistic to drag this out for what will be years. And years.

Finality for all, this first trial will not lead to. That’s the next battle.

It must be irritating - for prosecutors and LE - not to be able to get all your ducks in a row, but it’s looking like a really long row, so maybe an alternative sorting method is required.

I am hoping others are able to pursue Tania and baby Tatiana, Karen and Asian Jane Doe. I believe RT has done a very sincere effort of getting these processes started.

I’m also hoping some South Carolina folks have a good team. That they have started getting FBI’s help to parse the various datasets. They will need that, I can’t imagine information collection would be as meticulous without one of the federal level agencies.

I hope South Carolina has a relevant county with a similarly resourceful, pragmatic and strategic DA as the other SC has been blessed with lately.

Cuz I wanna see RH bleed. 4real.

IMHOO

SC could turn into a whole new set of cases. I hope more can get answers about their murdered loved ones. RH's truck was found there, what else if anything that's there along with everything LE found in RH's house could possibly solve some cold cases in that area. We can only hope and pray.

 

[Inthedetails]

SC could turn into a whole new set of cases. I hope more can get answers about their murdered loved ones. RH's truck was found there, what else if anything that's there along with everything LE found in RH's house could possibly solve some cold cases in that area. We can only hope and pray.

A great outcome would be if after RH is convicted (and he will be convicted), he then confesses to any other murders he committed. One can hope.

jmopinion

 

[CuriousCricket]

A great outcome would be if after RH is convicted (and he will be convicted), he then confesses to any other murders he committed. One can hope.

jmopinion

That is my hope as well. When he has nothing more to lose, will he talk? Will he want credit for being so smart and getting by with things for so long? Or will he continue with his little games? Even if he does want to talk and chooses to, I'm thinking he likes game-playing too much not to continue in some way. Promising a tidbit for this, another for something else. Or will his ego need the attention? We see how Dennis Radar preens whenever he's consulted as an "expert".

 

[sunshineray]

That is my hope as well. When he has nothing more to lose, will he talk? Will he want credit for being so smart and getting by with things for so long? Or will he continue with his little games? Even if he does want to talk and chooses to, I'm thinking he likes game-playing too much not to continue in some way. Promising a tidbit for this, another for something else. Or will his ego need the attention? We see how Dennis Radar preens whenever he's consulted as an "expert".

It took his execution approaching for Bundy to disclose more and I'm sure it wasn't everything he did or the full truths of what he did. NY isn't a death penalty state but the Carolinas are. AJMO

 

[Ruminations]

I am now thinking some employees found the items and alerted LE but LE determined they were unrelated. Perhaps the employees thought they knew better than LE and/or were attracted to the potential sensation of the find so they alerted a rag (NYPost) that would be more than happy to print "the exclusive."

Sometimes "exclusives" are a great scoop and othertimes they are "exclusive" because no other outlet was interested.

jmopinion

I get that this arrest and prosecution so far appears to be on track, and this is refreshing. Yet Suffolk's colors still bleed through at times. I am very disappointed, but not surprised, in Tierney making his comments.

The thing is, most jurisdictions of LE would not let the witnesses who found the evidence know if it was related or not.

Further, most jurisdictions would not make any such comment if a witness spilled the beans and the information about that buried evidence came out later.

If the evidence was related or related to any other active investigation, why didn't Tierney just say that they were aware of this discovery almost two years ago, and they cannot comment about whether it is tied to this or any current investigation?

If the evidence is related to a solved crime, why not say so?

Or, if LE has no idea what victim this evidence is related to, why didn't they release some information about the items in hopes that it helps ID their owners and start an investigation?

I can't think of a scenario where the those items would be buried and it not be part of a crime. That crime could be solved, active, cold, or not even yet begun to be investigated. But it appears related to some crime.

I have difficulty finding a reason LE is behaving as they are about this story that makes sense to me. It seems to me to fall into a pattern of being inappropriately uninterested in a potential violent crime.

Talking about the tabloidian quality of the news outlet is beside the point. It is intriguing that someone wanted that information out about now. And it is disappointing the LE is behaving dismissively.

The publisher has nothing to do with those things.

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

I get that this arrest and prosecution so far appears to be on track, and this is refreshing. Yet Suffolk's colors still bleed through at times. I am very disappointed, but not surprised, in Tierney making his comments.

The thing is, most jurisdictions of LE would not let the witnesses who found the evidence know if it was related or not.

Further, most jurisdictions would not make any such comment if a witness spilled the beans and the information about that buried evidence came out later.

If the evidence was related or related to any other active investigation, why didn't Tierney just say that they were aware of this discovery almost two years ago, and they cannot comment about whether it is tied to this or any current investigation?

If the evidence is related to a solved crime, why not say so?

Or, if LE has no idea what victim this evidence is related to, why didn't they release some information about the items in hopes that it helps ID their owners and start an investigation?

I can't think of a scenario where the those items would be buried and it not be part of a crime. That crime could be solved, active, cold, or not even yet begun to be investigated. But it appears related to some crime.

I have difficulty finding a reason LE is behaving as they are about this story that makes sense to me. It seems to me to fall into a pattern of being inappropriately uninterested in a potential violent crime.

Talking about the tabloidian quality of the news outlet is beside the point. It is intriguing that someone wanted that information out about now. And it is disappointing the LE is behaving dismissively.

The publisher has nothing to do with those things.

MOO

Maybe they think they may have a second serial killer and need to deal with one first? Not all the victims found on Gilgo beach or elsewhere on LI have been tied to RH. Just a thought.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Maybe they think they may have a second serial killer and need to deal with one first? Not all the victims found on Gilgo beach or elsewhere on LI have been tied to RH. Just a thought.

Perhaps LE knows that if the public was aware of what LE actually knows there would be widespread panic.

RH (born in 1964) is accused of the 1993 murder of Sandra Costilla.
John Bittrolff has been convicted of 1993 and 1994 murders.
Joel Rifkin has been convicted of 9 murders from 1989-93.
Robert Shulman 5 women from 1991-95

Then there's:
Richard Angelo 7 patients in 1987
Richard Cottingham 1970s murders in New York and New Jersey, last charge in 2022

Makes me wonder how many others are as yet unnamed, even if they have been detected and are being worked by LE.

I've noticed the care with which DA Ray Tierney repeats the line that he talks about only what he is able to charge for. The documents are how he speaks as I recall him saying.

In other words, he's not about to tell us everything he and law enforcement know nor everything his office suspects and is investigating. Just because the public doesn't know how or if the cache of clothing, purses etc. found on Jones Beach is being investigated does NOT mean they have been ignored. Perhaps the find is being vigorously investigated.

Most infamous serial killers on Long Island

While alleged Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann is taking center stage in the world of true crime, this is not the first case of serial murders on Long Island.

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[Ruminations]

Maybe they think they may have a second serial killer and need to deal with one first? Not all the victims found on Gilgo beach or elsewhere on LI have been tied to RH. Just a thought.

That's quite plausible. Good theory.

But still, wouldn't it be more reassuring to see LE appear anything other than hostile when some evidence is made public? There have been many credible reports of people going to LE and the tip line and being ignored. Even the police commissioner was exasperated enough to suggest that persons uncomfortable with the tip line can consider other avenues of getting their evidence public, such as contacting attorney Ray. Even the commissioner acknowledged that his own tip line was hostile to evidence.

Tierney's response to the report that that evidence was found (2 years ago) was hostile. He could have been neutral and said he can't comment on any ongoing investigations.

In the mean time, what if those buried items are related to another murder, as you speculate? Shouldn't Tierney, at the very least, ask persons with info call the tip line? Being in the middle of another prosecution has nothing to do with that.

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

That's quite plausible. Good theory.

But still, wouldn't it be more reassuring to see LE appear anything other than hostile when some evidence is made public? There have been many credible reports of people going to LE and the tip line and being ignored. Even the police commissioner was exasperated enough to suggest that persons uncomfortable with the tip line can consider other avenues of getting their evidence public, such as contacting attorney Ray. Even the commissioner acknowledged that his own tip line was hostile to evidence.

Tierney's response to the report that that evidence was found (2 years ago) was hostile. He could have been neutral and said he can't comment on any ongoing investigations.

In the mean time, what if those buried items are related to another murder, as you speculate? Shouldn't Tierney, at the very least, ask persons with info call the tip line? Being in the middle of another prosecution has nothing to do with that.

MOO

I agree the news of these things found coming out so long after it happened needs to at the least be addressed, unless of course if it's all still under investigation (he only commented to say, no children's clothes, but said nothing about the w oemen's clothes and purses) I'm not prone to being an alarmist, I still though think we've not uncovered all the bodies buried from Jones to Gilgo on up to even Montauk and include Fire Island too.Those Gilgo victims lay undiscovered for so long, I have to think there are others...and that includes possible other killers like RH, Rifkin and Shulman. AJMO

 

[Barbb]

Well, Heuermann's pen pal, The Happy Face Killer' advised him in a letter to confess, reason why? Better food in prison.

‘Happy Face Killer’ says he’s pen pals with Gilgo Beach murders suspect

Keith Jesperson urged Rex Heuermann to confess to his crimes but the suspected killer’s instead complained about jail conditions

www.the-independent.com

 

[minazoe]

Well, Heuermann's pen pal, The Happy Face Killer' advised him in a letter to confess, reason why? Better food in prison.

‘Happy Face Killer’ says he’s pen pals with Gilgo Beach murders suspect

Keith Jesperson urged Rex Heuermann to confess to his crimes but the suspected killer’s instead complained about jail conditions

www.the-independent.com

sometimes, it's just the simple things...

 

[Barbb]

Empty purses and clothes, no DNA from the salt water seeping down on them for possibly decades, tragic.

You probably have not been to Jones Beach but the bathhouses are up higher than the water line. Closer to the road. It's a good slope down to the water. No salt water would be seeping down on them.

 

[sunshineray]

You probably have not been to Jones Beach but the bathhouses are up higher than the water line. Closer to the road. It's a good slope down to the water. No salt water would be seeping down on them.

Been there years ago, I do know historically Jone's Beach during storms can get hammered with water, from the sea and the sky. I sure hope something useful can be gathered from those items.

 

[FromGermany1]

Well, Heuermann's pen pal, The Happy Face Killer' advised him in a letter to confess, reason why? Better food in prison.

‘Happy Face Killer’ says he’s pen pals with Gilgo Beach murders suspect

Keith Jesperson urged Rex Heuermann to confess to his crimes but the suspected killer’s instead complained about jail conditions

www.the-independent.com

Killer among themselves .... Lovely advice, from friend to friend.

 

[sds71]

A second effort by attorneys representing Rex A. Heuermann to suppress nuclear DNA evidence linking him to the Gilgo Beach killings should be rejected because the law cited in defense arguments does not apply to criminal proceedings, a Suffolk prosecutor argued in a filing made public Wednesday.

Suffolk Assistant District Attorney Andrew Lee dismissed the defense motion as an "11th-hour attempt" to suppress evidence already deemed admissible through a "strained and selective reading" of the law. Lee argued the public health law only governs the identification of "disease, medical conditions and paternity" and does not pertain to "criminal identifications."

"The statute is self-limiting to matters of public health and does not extend to criminal proceedings," Lee wrote in his response.

Gilgo Beach killings: Murder case against accused serial killer is ready for trial, court paper says

"The people further announce ... that we are ready for trial," reads the statement of readiness filed by Assistant District Attorney Michelle Haddad.

www.newsday.com

 

[sds71]

The Suffolk County District Attorney's Office declared Wednesday that it has completed its obligations to turn over evidence to the defense and is ready for trial in the case against alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann.

Prosecutors on Wednesday turned over to the defense a final computer drive that included a 723-page master inventory of evidence in the case and a list of more than 7,000 people, both law enforcement and civilians, who "may have evidence or information relevant" to the charges or potential defense, according to the certificate of compliance filed with the court.
The disclosure also contains a list of expert witnesses who may be called at trial, the filing states."The people further announce ... that we are ready for trial," reads the statement of readiness filed by Assistant District Attorney Michelle Haddad.

The defense now has 30 days to respond to discovery obligations under New York State law. Defense attorney Michael J. Brown, of Central Islip, previously said he intended to file additional pretrial motions once the prosecution certified its case.

Gilgo Beach killings: Murder case against accused serial killer is ready for trial, court paper says

"The people further announce ... that we are ready for trial," reads the statement of readiness filed by Assistant District Attorney Michelle Haddad.

www.newsday.com