Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #16

[Inthedetails]

they are going to try all 7 victims at one trial...if the trial goes wrong...oh brother...if he pleads guilty he saves the tax payers $$$..but the victims get lost in the vacuum and that makes me feel sick...look at Kohberger...it all just felt so wrong.

In the Kohberger case, it was a big unknown why the killer committed the crimes. In this case, I think that isn't a question - they were sex crimes by a serial murderer and the targets were selected because they were sex workers he arranged to hire. There isn't the same desire to know "why," imo, because it's not a mystery what RH's motive was, imo.

The big question to me is how long it will take the jury to deliberate to find him guilty. But I can live without that process if he takes a plea.

Of course, we don't know if a plea really in the works or a rumor.

my opinion only

 

[Betty P]

In the Kohberger case, it was a big unknown why the killer committed the crimes. In this case, I think that isn't a question - they were sex crimes by a serial murderer and the targets were selected because they were sex workers he arranged to hire. There isn't the same desire to know "why," imo, because it's not a mystery what RH's motive was, imo.

The big question to me is how long it will take the jury to deliberate to find him guilty. But I can live without that process if he takes a plea.

Of course, we don't know if a plea really in the works or a rumor.

my opinion only

I wonder if his attorneys are seeing these latest court rulings as a serious problem. With the cases tried together and DNA evidence allowed, they may feel it’s a losing proposition to go to trial. Oh, to be a fly on the wall at their meetings.

 

[twall]

MB addresses RH guilty plea(s) speculation @2:33 "I'm the last to know if that's the case."

 

[Teche]

Has attorney John Ray made any comments lately?

 

[Warwick7]

Is Rex Heuermann going to plead out?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970547900905091382

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

 

[Luna20]

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

After all of these decades and he pleads! (If he does) He may realize that it would be so visually condemning that he will pay the price in prison.

 

[snooptroop88]

Oh please, please, please, I hope he pleads guilty.

Why would he do it, though? His personality seems more in line with making people suffer, and a trial will do that. He's not getting any deal, I mean his crimes are so heinous, what could the state legitimately offer him? Aside from maybe butter and candy bars. He's so vicious, I can't picture butter and candy bars going that far with him, he's a true sadist and a trial will cause pain, giving him a rush no amount of butter and candy ever could.

I wonder if there's something we don't know as of yet that he desperately wants concealed, and a trial might further poke into it. Can you imagine how bad that "something" would have to be, considering the state already has HK in hand?

I will be shocked if he pleads guilty. it won't keep him from prosecution in other states...and they are going to run him through Codis, once he is prosecuted. He may believe his other victims have not been found or maybe he's just praying his DNA isn't found again. it won't keep them from further prosecuting him in ongoing cases...unless he's going to spill the beans...and I doubt it.I don't like this guilty pleading...he gets to go hide. I don't like it one bit. mOO

Totally agreed. There's something to this if he does it, there's something in this for him that we're not yet aware of, and that's a pretty scary thought.

But it won't matter because the state has all the information they'd offer at trial already, they can continue to build on that and develop it in other directions if they're inclined. In the meantime, they can literally build him a lagoon of butter in his cell and let him frolic in it naked for all I care. (His hair looks like he's already doing that, but jmo.)

It'll be a happy holiday season for everyone with the vicious troll rolling in butter in a cage somewhere, forced to accept reality, jmo. And hopefully vomiting up some good information that can be corroborated.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It will be maddening if they don't make Rex allocute. If true and he does plead guilty I certainly hope they make him tell us.

I understand this sentiment 100%, but here's the problem as I see it.

RH is a psychopath just like Bryan Kohberger and Ted Bundy.

Psychopaths lie. They love to manipulate others for their own twisted ends.

There's zero reason to believe that he would suddenly become truthful in an allocution after a life of lies.

JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

I understand this sentiment 100%, but here's the problem as I see it.

RH is a psychopath just like Bryan Kohberger and Ted Bundy.

Psychopaths lie. They love to manipulate others for their own twisted ends.

There's zero reason to believe that he would suddenly become truthful in an allocution after a life of lies.

JMO

He sure is, but unlike Kohberger, RH can potentially offer a lot of information that can be corroborated, at least to some degree.

 

[OneLove]

He sure is, but unlike Kohberger, RH can potentially offer a lot of information that can be corroborated, at least to some degree.

Yes... and Dennis Rader, commonly known as BTK the serial killer, did just that. He *loved* talking and being chummy with the officers. It was amazing the info he coughed up.

One of his murders happened while he was being a scout leader in a troop compound sleeping in a tent with his son. He sneaked out after everyone was asleep, travelled to his victims house, broke in, tortured and killed her, travelled back to the campsite and sneaked back into bed without being missed.

He hadn't been suspected for that one because, well, his alibi seemed pretty darned tight, right??

 

[Inthedetails]

Oh please, please, please, I hope he pleads guilty.

Why would he do it, though? His personality seems more in line with making people suffer, and a trial will do that.\

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Good point.

He does like to make people suffer - I think of the phone calls he made to a victim's sister. The trial might be very satisfying for him. Ugh, what a thought. imo

I'm on the fence about whether it is a rumor or hinting at an actual plea in the works.

Personally, I'm fine either way as the end result will be the same. I'd prefer a plea because it is more streamlined than a big court case.

And, for the judge to accept a plea, the prosecution still has to present evidence that backs up the plea, just like the prosecution in the Idaho case had to list the evidence they had even as BK admitted guilt.


jmopinion

 

[CuriousCricket]

Oh please, please, please, I hope he pleads guilty.

Why would he do it, though? His personality seems more in line with making people suffer, and a trial will do that.

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Would a "No Contest" plea protect the assets he and Asa seem so interested in protecting?

Without him admitting guilt but acknowledging the state has enough evidence he would probably be convicted would that move make it more difficult for the victims' families to collect?

This is from a Bing search: "Yes, New York State does have a "no contest" legal plea in criminal cases. This plea, also known as a no contest plea or nolo contendere, allows a defendant to accept a criminal penalty without admitting guilt. The plea is treated similarly to a guilty plea, and the defendant waives their right to a jury trial. This plea can be advantageous in certain cases, such as misdemeanors that could lead to civil court cases, as it avoids admitting guilt in those civil proceedings. However, it is important to note that a no contest plea does not provide the same benefits as a guilty plea in felony cases, where it may not be allowed and could result in a sentence similar to that of a guilty plea.

newyorkcriminallawyer.com+2

When I watched the video posted above of Michael Brown answering questions, it was interesting to me that never once did RH's attorney say there was no plea deal being discussed (that I saw). My recollection is that he repeated "I'm always the last to know." Since I think he repeated that line multiple times, it felt to me as though it was something he could truthfully say if his team is handling that and something he had decided on before the presser.

 

[snooptroop88]

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Would a "No Contest" plea protect the assets he and Asa seem so interested in protecting?

Without him admitting guilt but acknowledging the state has enough evidence he would probably be convicted would that move make it more difficult for the victims' families to collect?

This is from a Bing search: "Yes, New York State does have a "no contest" legal plea in criminal cases. This plea, also known as a no contest plea or nolo contendere, allows a defendant to accept a criminal penalty without admitting guilt. The plea is treated similarly to a guilty plea, and the defendant waives their right to a jury trial. This plea can be advantageous in certain cases, such as misdemeanors that could lead to civil court cases, as it avoids admitting guilt in those civil proceedings. However, it is important to note that a no contest plea does not provide the same benefits as a guilty plea in felony cases, where it may not be allowed and could result in a sentence similar to that of a guilty plea.
newyorkcriminallawyer.com+2

When I watched the video posted above of Michael Brown answering questions, it was interesting to me that never once did RH's attorney say there was no plea deal being discussed (that I saw). My recollection is that he repeated "I'm always the last to know." Since I think he repeated that line multiple times, it felt to me as though it was something he could truthfully say if his team is handling that and something he had decided on before the presser.

There's some angle to this, agreed. He's not turning boy scout out of nowhere. When I looked it up, it's saying NY doesn't offer the "no contest" for criminal cases. I've got no idea if that's true, not a lawyer.

What's his angle if he does it? Because it has to be suiting him in some way, a big way. What's he got up his sleeve? Is he shielding assets, is he shielding accomplice/s? Is it the opposite, is he giving someone up? Is he trying to start maneuvering his way out of a potential death penalty scenario in SCarolina or Nevada?

 

[minazoe]

this is what I worry about. Rex is a master of court strategy..and while he is not expert in criminal court, it won't take him long to
assess the game and find the moves he wants to make. I don't know how he can make a deal in NC , unless he confesses murders there or other states, because as of now there is no case in NC and there would be no Judge to make a call on a plea deal in LI..I don't know how it works but for him to plead out to everything with a full confession would be CRAZYPANTS!

but hey..

mOO

 

[Inthedetails]

this is what I worry about. Rex is a master of court strategy..and while he is not expert in criminal court, it won't take him long to
assess the game and find the moves he wants to make. I don't know how he can make a deal in NC , unless he confesses murders there or other states, because as of now there is no case in NC and there would be no Judge to make a call on a plea deal in LI..I don't know how it works but for him to plead out to everything with a full confession would be CRAZYPANTS!

but hey..

mOO

Agree. If he pleas, it is for NY. I seriously doubt he would admit guilt to crimes he is not accused of committing....unless he really wants to make a spectacle before heading into prison.


jmopinion

 

[Megnut]

There's some angle to this, agreed. He's not turning boy scout out of nowhere. When I looked it up, it's saying NY doesn't offer the "no contest" for criminal cases. I've got no idea if that's true, not a lawyer.

What's his angle if he does it? Because it has to be suiting him in some way, a big way. What's he got up his sleeve? Is he shielding assets, is he shielding accomplice/s? Is it the opposite, is he giving someone up? Is he trying to start maneuvering his way out of a potential death penalty scenario in SCarolina or Nevada?

Notoriety. It might be the one thing that compels him.

He may take actual pride in his gross proficiency and might own up to additional murders, not seeking to minimize his history but to capitalize on it, where the capital is his something akin to dark admiration (awe/dread). Like the Golden State killer or others who admit to more killings than the ones already attributed to them. I could see him gunning to be among the most prolific murders of all time, himself volunteering names of women he murdered, previously not associated with him.

He won't do anything for the right reasons, he'll do what serves him, as he defines it.

JMO

 

[AuDHD]

Notoriety. It might be the one thing that compels him.

He may take actual pride in his gross proficiency and might own up to additional murders, not seeking to minimize his history but to capitalize on it, where the capital is his something akin to dark admiration (awe/dread). Like the Golden State killer or others who admit to more killings than the ones already attributed to them. I could see him gunning to be among the most prolific murders of all time, himself volunteering names of women he murdered, previously not associated with him.

He won't do anything for the right reasons, he'll do what serves him, as he defines it.

JMO

based on the fact that the family keeps trying to sell the Jeep of the Long Island serial killer first on eBay and now on Facebook marketplace (I reported it, but there was not a box for murderabelia that I could check and they didn’t see it as a prohibited item)… that hangs.

 

[NyxNY]

Is Rex Heuermann going to plead out?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970547900905091382

Maybe LI Press is hearing some rumors or leaks? I hope so, for the sake of the victims families.

The judge also ruled again to allow admitting DNA evidence.

Gilgo Beach judge’s bombshell DNA ruling could be breaking point against Rex Heuermann

Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann will face just one trial for the murders of seven sex workers.

nypost.com

This is an opinion piece. Pure speculation as the first sentence of the article states. IMO, no rumors or leaks are involved.

 

[Betty P]

Notoriety. It might be the one thing that compels him.

He may take actual pride in his gross proficiency and might own up to additional murders, not seeking to minimize his history but to capitalize on it, where the capital is his something akin to dark admiration (awe/dread). Like the Golden State killer or others who admit to more killings than the ones already attributed to them. I could see him gunning to be among the most prolific murders of all time, himself volunteering names of women he murdered, previously not associated with him.

He won't do anything for the right reasons, he'll do what serves him, as he defines it.

JMO

I think he might also be concerned with sparing his family the gory details of a trial, though some of that will be revealed anyway.

ETA : Since NY doesn’t have the death penalty, what does RH expect to gain from a plea bargain? Better prison accommodations?

 

[Megnut]

I think he might also be concerned with sparing his family the gory details of a trial, though some of that will be revealed anyway.

ETA : Since NY doesn’t have the death penalty, what does RH expect to gain from a plea bargain? Better prison accommodations?

It's the difference between a plea and IMO a plea bargain. No reason to offer or accept a plea bargain from him IMO.

It's possible IMO that he might just plead guilty. Because he is. And the evidence is there and he knows it.

He might be quite satisfied with the damage he's already done.

JMO