Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #16

[minazoe]

Rex is a freak.

 

[Barbb]

Rex is a freak.

Yeah. Big time. It's kind of impersonal. Just wants to torture, kill. I don't really get it, the psychology, or do I? Is it that simple? That straightfirward?

 

[Barbb]

Rex is a freak.

And did he kill a baby? Baby Doe.

 

[Barbb]

John Wayne Gacy, Dean Corll, Randy Kraft, Herb Baumeister come to mind on the other side.

What I mean is usually they kill only men or only women, no mix and then the psych that follows is he hates his father, or he hates his mother, or he hates himself, he hates sex, blah blah blah...but this, this is like what? If he did kill the Asian kid, and he knew he was not a woman but a man, ahead of time, then what? He hates everybody ? Or it doesn't matter, it's just the thrill, the power, pure sadism.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Agreed. The only thing I’m concerned with is his age. At the time of some of these murders. He wouldn’t even be a teenager. Right?

IMHOO

Numerous children have killed. You have only to pull a search. Some serial killers start young. My mind went to Tommy Lynn Sells - Wikipedia says he was 15 when he first killed, during a burglary.

copilot says 8 is the youngest age for a serial killer, but this article lists younger killers, maybe NOT serial killers, but murderers: List of youngest killers - Wikipedia

According to CoPilot:
Amardeep Sada, born in 1998 in Bihar, India, is recognized as the youngest serial killer in history. At the age of eight, he murdered three infants: his six-year-old cousin, his eight-month-old sister, and a six-month-old baby named Khushboo.

youngest known serial killer at time of first murder - Bing

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[snarast]

Numerous children have killed. You have only to pull a search. Some serial killers start young. My mind went to Tommy Lynn Sells - Wikipedia says he was 15 when he first killed, during a burglary.

copilot says 8 is the youngest age for a serial killer, but this article lists younger killers, maybe NOT serial killers, but murderers: List of youngest killers - Wikipedia

According to CoPilot:
Amardeep Sada, born in 1998 in Bihar, India, is recognized as the youngest serial killer in history. At the age of eight, he murdered three infants: his six-year-old cousin, his eight-month-old sister, and a six-month-old baby named Khushboo.

youngest known serial killer at time of first murder - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

Yeah Mary Bell etc. of course there are children who kill.

Still getting away with killing from 12 to 59 while focusing enough on work to head your own office on Manhattan.

Well, it boggles my mind.

Maybe these are Burke’s thrill kills.

Speculating. RH may not be the only sadist in town.

IMHOO

 

[snooptroop88]

Rex is a freak.

Totally agreed, nothing's impossible with him, and I'm glad they're moving off in multiple directions and at least exploring them.

Aside from everything else he is (which I know I don't need to list), he really is a freak, couldn't agree more on this. No telling what he'd do or why. Or when (within practical limits).

 

[iamshadow21]

What I mean is usually they kill only men or only women, no mix and then the psych that follows is he hates his father, or he hates his mother, or he hates himself, he hates sex, blah blah blah...but this, this is like what? If he did kill the Asian kid, and he knew he was not a woman but a man, ahead of time, then what? He hates everybody ? Or it doesn't matter, it's just the thrill, the power, pure sadism.

Actually, many serial killers aren't that choosy about it. It's a myth that the average serial killer has such a narrow preference. It may be that they do prefer one thing over another, but it's more about availability and practicality. Can I get this person alone and can I control them to do what I want? Gone are the days when certain profilers' rigid ideas from a tiny sample source rule the concept of the flexibility of a killer. They used to say that serial killers didn't cross racial lines, either, and that's just garbage that's more often wrong than not.

Asian Doe was likely transgender or femme presenting. We know he had searches that would match up with that.

And he isn't a standout, just off the top of my head, Samuel Little killed both cis and transgender women. There will be more out there, that's just the first I can think of without googling.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

Actually, many serial killers aren't that choosy about it. It's a myth that the average serial killer has such a narrow preference. It may be that they do prefer one thing over another, but it's more about availability and practicality. Can I get this person alone and can I control them to do what I want? Gone are the days when certain profilers' rigid ideas from a tiny sample source rule the concept of the flexibility of a killer. They used to say that serial killers didn't cross racial lines, either, and that's just garbage that's more often wrong than not.

Asian Doe was likely transgender or femme presenting. We know he had searches that would match up with that.

And he isn't a standout, just off the top of my head, Samuel Little killed both cis and transgender women. There will be more out there, that's just the first I can think of without googling.

MOO

I thought of Samuel Little, too. He killed a large number of women (93) of various ages and races. He also maintained long term relationships with at least two different women during that time.

We know from at least one witness that Rex H was bisexual, so killing Asian or Asian-looking males wouldn’t be unusual for him. He committed murders or, in the case of Sayville, NY, harassed and threatened potential women victims in the areas where these latest victims were found.

The more you think about it, the more likely it seems.

 

[minazoe]

Rex has a glutenous appetite for everything. I think he always has a big beer on his way home..I think he always has a big dinner. and maybe he eats dinner twice a day. He likes to meet women for dinner so no doubt telling Asa he is meeting with clients

so he has his big meals and his ten thousand guns at home in a vault. now does he like to actually shoot guns? oh yes..he's been shooting guns forever..gun club..hunting..you name it. Rex is a killer so hunting is cool for him.

now look at Rex and look at these little men that were overpowered and murdered by someone...Rex likes little small stature victims..he knows they are afraid and intimidated by his size . Also he won't have to actually expend that much energy...he likes to feel unscathed.
So maybe he is using a gun for awhile...until he gets ideas for more prolonged experiences in the basement of his house years later.

rex is in a max security prison charged with 7 murders and he wants more butter... this alone should tell you everything you need to know about him. mOO

 

[Barbb]

Actually, many serial killers aren't that choosy about it. It's a myth that the average serial killer has such a narrow preference. It may be that they do prefer one thing over another, but it's more about availability and practicality. Can I get this person alone and can I control them to do what I want? Gone are the days when certain profilers' rigid ideas from a tiny sample source rule the concept of the flexibility of a killer. They used to say that serial killers didn't cross racial lines, either, and that's just garbage that's more often wrong than not.

Asian Doe was likely transgender or femme presenting. We know he had searches that would match up with that.

And he isn't a standout, just off the top of my head, Samuel Little killed both cis and transgender women. There will be more out there, that's just the first I can think of without googling.

MOO

I was not thinking Rex was the only one in the field that crossed lines. It's not unknown to me there are others who kill both sexes. I was focusing on his toying with his choice of victims, trying new approaches. Systematically choosing victims of different paths for his cruel fun. Maybe he was influenced by the videos he watched and thought it a novel idea to try a new type of victim. Once he had that Asian male naked he was now torturing a male body. He may have been disappointed in that may not have worked to satisfy him. I don't think that was all about availability and practicality. Authorities say Asian Doe was killed during or prior to 2006. Was he was changing victim choices searching for a more satisfying thrill at this point? Had he become so dead inside he was not getting the same thrill as in the beginning so he tried changing it up a bit, trying different types of victims prompted by his video searches? After that his victims found on Gilgo were murdered from 2007 on and were all women. Did he find it more satisfying to be involved with the torture of precisely female anatomy? What inner need was he was trying to satisfy with his choices? What hole in him was he looking to fill?

 

[Ruminations]

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the victim in her 60's. I would think for her to be murdered and not have had a missing person report filed, the person(s) who saw her most often would have to be involved. A relative, a roommate, domestic employer, a landlord. Or, she was not local.

She was a bit too old to be living on the streets and supporting herself with crimes, such that her associates would be afraid to come forward when she didn't come home.

Rex was only about 12 in 1978? (Approximately. I don't recall his DOB.) he was about 11 when his father passed? Was Montauk Mary found fleshy or skeletonized? I'm guessing fleshy since they added weight to her face in the sketch, but OTOH, gunshot injuries can be discerned on skeletons.

At this time, my imagination goes here: this has something to do with Rex and his dad. And dad transported the victim from far away, using Rex to lend credibility to his harmlessness.

Completely wild speculation. Shooting in the legs seems like torture to me.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I was not thinking Rex was the only one in the field that crossed lines. It's not unknown to me there are others who kill both sexes. I was focusing on his toying with his choice of victims, trying new approaches. Systematically choosing victims of different paths for his cruel fun. Maybe he was influenced by the videos he watched and thought it a novel idea to try a new type of victim. Once he had that Asian male naked he was now torturing a male body. He may have been disappointed in that may not have worked to satisfy him. I don't think that was all about availability and practicality. Authorities say Asian Doe was killed during or prior to 2006. Was he was changing victim choices searching for a more satisfying thrill at this point? Had he become so dead inside he was not getting the same thrill as in the beginning so he tried changing it up a bit, trying different types of victims prompted by his video searches? After that his victims found on Gilgo were murdered from 2007 on and were all women. Did he find it more satisfying to be involved with the torture of precisely female anatomy? What inner need was he was trying to satisfy with his choices? What hole in him was he looking to fill?

IMO, one of many motivations for Rex switching things up was to watch how confused investigators became. He studied Mind Hunter and used it to break patterns. Common belief was that Sandra had a different murderer than Valerie and Jessica, who in turn had a different murderer than the GB4. He was very successful at his crime scene distractions.

MOO

 

[minazoe]

rex likes the power he feels with a gun. this goes way back ,

rex may choose victims according to whatever p-o-r-n he is looking at currently.

rex may have enjoyed hurting and harming from a very early age. he may have enjoyed it so much that he went out and shot some old lady...but no one found out..he was just a kid..

rex tried to kill someone backstage with the curtain weights in HS.I have it in my head that Rex has been evil since day one.

I really think it's possible that he found a little outpost motel room in Atlantic City and lured those boardwalk girls to a room there
for money and drugs. and they were tortured and killed there...or transported there in a vehicle and disposed of possibly using a large suitcase and an alias. GHB is another way to get a girl to cooperate until you can get them into the room.

I think Rex has operated out of other venues before...has killed every kind of victim and will improvise his methods when the opportunity presents itself.

mOO

 

[Ruminations]

rex likes the power he feels with a gun. this goes way back ,

rex may choose victims according to whatever p-o-r-n he is looking currently.

rex may have enjoyed hurting and harming from a very early age. he may have enjoyed it so much that he went out and shot some old lady...but no one found out..he was just a kid..

rex tried to kill someone backstage with the curtain weights in HS.I have it in my head that Rex has been evil since day one.

I really think it's possible that he found a little outpost motel room in Atlantic City and lured those boardwalk girls to a room there
for money and drugs. and they were tortured and killed there...or transported there in a vehicle and disposed of possibly using a large suitcase and an alias. GHB is another way to get a girl to cooperate until you can get them into the room.

I think Rex has operated out of other venues before...has killed every kind of victim and will improvise his methods when the opportunity presents itself.

mOO

Still- how would the woman in her 60's not be reported missing? That's why I don't think she was a random victim of a child. She seems to me to be more likely the victim of someone who knew her and who would have reported her missing had they not been the murderer, or to be missing from far away. Rex wasn't old enough to lure her into a car.

As far as I know, he had a dead father (or one who would soon die), a mother who still is alive, older sisters and a younger brother. I could see him getting hold of a gun, especially left alone in his basement room. But how was he in Montauk, and how would he find a person to shoot without being seen, plus not have her searched for?

MOO

Wait. There's a thread. She was discovered only hours after her murder. She was fully recognizable. She patronized local restaurants, had an old yellow convertible, and distinctive medical conditions. Her picture is from her corpse and observed clothing. She may have lived in her car, I suppose. The case makes no sense!

MOO

Thread 'NY - Montauk, WhtFem OldAge, UP134473, in a wooded area at Montauk State Park, brown eyes, mole next to cheek, clothes, plaid, Mar'78'
NY - NY - Montauk, WhtFem OldAge, UP134473, in a wooded area at Montauk State Park, brown eyes, mole next to cheek, clothes, plaid, Mar'78

 

[minazoe]

honestly RT must have a reason for including her in this mashup.

 

[Ruminations]

"There are ABSOLUTE reasons why we chose those nine," DA Tierney told me at a press briefing September 23rd in Riverhead, shortly after winning another court challenge in the Gilgo Beach case.

Tierney then added, "You're going to have to trust me as to what those reasons are."

When I asked the District Attorney if there was a connection to Rex Heuermann, the D.A. replied, "I would submit that there are really good reasons why we do that. And whether there's a connection or not does not matter until if and when we're able to charge. So, I'm not going to talk about cases until I'm able to charge. That would be unethical."

9 "John and Jane Does" on Suffolk Website Spur New Questions in Gilgo Case

So now, I'm asking this as a journalist who has watched criminal cases evolve over the course of forty years: Is the addition of the new "Does" a tactic to put pressure on Rex Heuermann? Investigators who searched Heuermann's house in Massapequa Park for twelve days in 2023 located 283 weapons...

www.marymurphyofficial.com

Now that I have found the thread for Montauk Mary, I have noted that Mary Murphy's post includes information that is not in the Montauk Mary thread.

notably: It seems new that the victim was found face up and shot in the legs and chest. The thread says abdomen and torso, without specifically saying one shot to the torso.

When I read about this case, it seems like it should have been possible to ID the victim. She was around enough to be seen several times a week at a restaurant in a distinctive car. The autopsy identified that she may have had trouble walking, but there were witnesses who would have been able to describe her gait. There were witnesses who would have been able to say if she generally changed her clothing. Witnesses should have been able to give the general size of her vehicle. But even without the size, a yellow convertible in a not-densely populated area should have been a big clue.

She was found a few hours after she was killed, and, I'm guessing, was killed where she was found, although that is not mentioned. It seems like if she were dumped, it have been off the walking path. And she weighed 200#. So, it seems like a dump would be in the parking lot, not near it, if there was no effort to hide her.

MOO

 

[minazoe]

well I was looking for SK's that started killing in their teens and it's not that unusual..but here's what's driving me CRAZY. I could swear Ted Bundy was suspected in the murder of a woman found strangled on her front lawn with her bathrobe belt...but I can't find a thing about it..I tried other SK's and nothing...does anyone know what I'm talking about..? I tried Dhamer..Radar..GR Gary, and a host of others..am I imagining this??

 

[KSwizzle]

Ed Kemper killed in his teens, his grandma who was in her late 60s, so might be uncommon but there are cases and really what is "common" about serial killers anyways

 

[Sillybilly]

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