Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #17

[Mrs.A]

This Josh Zeman pod has mostly rehashed stuff we already know. But the episode this week has an interview with one of RH's childhood friends that gives some background I had not heard of before.

It really seems like his tutelage for keeping his family powerless may have been learned from his father right in the home he never left in so many ways. Cults, Culture & Coercion with Dr. Steve Hassan

 

[minazoe]

I am still holding out for more unsolved cases, particularly one in Philly and two I can think of in SC.

I mean he's not the first and only SK to dump bodies in parks...but also he could be could be guilty of trail killings or abductions too, I do think he has done other kinds of murders outdoors. they should not just be hyper focused on sex workers and his doings at home.

Atlantic City also weighs heavily. Those girls from the hotel were not identified as working out of that location...so there are four women who died either inside or behind the motel...or were maybe even moved there and disposed of after their deaths.

they never appeared to have a pimp or driver in common...or even a place...they were also left in a grouping of four in an organized fashion.

it's easy to imagine Rex doing this..if you saw the motel in the documentary , the back end of it is very secluded...the yard area is a jumble and overgrown..

Rex reeks of entitlement and it's all reflected in his murders. He really feels like it's nobody's business what he has done in his life and has absolutely no feelings for his victims. none. He can reflect and laugh about it because he loves it.
mOO

 

[Betty P]

He really feels like it's nobody's business what he has done in his life and has absolutely no feelings for his victims. none. He can reflect and laugh about it because he loves it.

I've had the same impression, JMO. He seems upset that everyone is violating his privacy, as if he's entitled to do as he wishes on his own. It's as if he had already decided these victims' lives had no value, so no one has a right to seek justice for them or hold him accountable.

Some of those sentiments may be shared by others he knows. JMO

 

[minazoe]

I've had the same impression, JMO. He seems upset that everyone is violating his privacy, as if he's entitled to do as he wishes on his own. It's as if he had already decided these victims' lives had no value, so no one has a right to seek justice for them or hold him accountable.

Some of those sentiments may be shared by others he knows. JMO

I agree on the shared sentiments.

 

[Mrs.A]

This Josh Zeman pod has mostly rehashed stuff we already know. But the episode this week has an interview with one of RH's childhood friends that gives some background I had not heard of before.

It really seems like his tutelage for keeping his family powerless may have been learned from his father right in the home he never left in so many ways. Cults, Culture & Coercion with Dr. Steve Hassan

Oh wow! That's the wrong link. Oops. Here's the right one Home - MONSTER: Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer Home - MONSTER: Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer

 

[TOMBISHOP]

Some time ago I read that the next session in the chamber would be on December 17th, now I read January 13th.
Does anyone have more certain information on this?
thanx

 

[snooptroop88]

Watching with great interest on all of these developments now with the arrest of Andrew Dykes for Tanya and wondering exactly where all of that is going. Will the defense teams of Heuermann and Dykes now attempt to blame the other defendant for any murders their client's charged with? After HK, I don't see anything working for RH, but for other suspects/defendants, that could be an entirely different matter, perhaps.

In terms of the Dykes charges, we're asked to believe two murderers both chose dismemberment, which is rare among murderers to begin with; then, the two killers both chose to leave victim remains at multiple locations, another unusual choice for murderers; then, the two killers chose pretty much the exact same location as one of their multiple locations; and the two murderers both avoided leaving a torso at that same location, torsos in all these OP cases involving dismemberment were at another site. Then, one of the murderers began filling the area coincidentally between the other killer's victim and her child, with Valerie located just incredibly close to Tatiana, and Tanya much further west, about a mile and a half from the remains of Karen Vergata, and those remains were already there when the other killer left the remains of Tanya.

That's sort of a lot to believe in terms of coincidences. It's of course still possible. I'm wondering if (trigger warning) the manner and tools used in the dismemberments are going to be a huge factor here because authorities keep noting the "surgical precision" used when they're discussing the charges on Andrew Dykes. And then, there's the fact that the peach tattoo was not defaced, these were the only OP victims with jewelry, I'm pretty certain, And Tanya and Tatiana's cases jmo were the only cases that showed indications of an indoor CS, jmo didn't get that with any of the other OP victims. And while this case is now going forward, Bittrolff's team, too, has been asking for more testing and is looking for reevaluation on behalf of Bittrolff.

I'm wondering if there's going to be a lot more evidence put forward by the prosecutorial team in the Andrew Dykes case, and I am guessing yes, because I don't know how anyone explains away the very poorly coiffed elephant in the room that is Rex Heuermann. Really curious as to what John Ray thinks on these developments.

If my memory serves, the next date is December 17th...
Merry Christmas Rex!

Agreed. Happy Holidays, Rex!

 

[CuriousCricket]

Watching with great interest on all of these developments now with the arrest of Andrew Dykes for Tanya and wondering exactly where all of that is going. Will the defense teams of Heuermann and Dykes now attempt to blame the other defendant for any murders their client's charged with? After HK, I don't see anything working for RH, but for other suspects/defendants, that could be an entirely different matter, perhaps.

In terms of the Dykes charges, we're asked to believe two murderers both chose dismemberment, which is rare among murderers to begin with; then, the two killers both chose to leave victim remains at multiple locations, another unusual choice for murderers; then, the two killers chose pretty much the exact same location as one of their multiple locations; and the two murderers both avoided leaving a torso at that same location, torsos in all these OP cases involving dismemberment were at another site. Then, one of the murderers began filling the area coincidentally between the other killer's victim and her child, with Valerie located just incredibly close to Tatiana, and Tanya much further west, about a mile and a half from the remains of Karen Vergata, and those remains were already there when the other killer left the remains of Tanya.

That's sort of a lot to believe in terms of coincidences. It's of course still possible. I'm wondering if (trigger warning) the manner and tools used in the dismemberments are going to be a huge factor here because authorities keep noting the "surgical precision" used when they're discussing the charges on Andrew Dykes. And then, there's the fact that the peach tattoo was not defaced, these were the only OP victims with jewelry, I'm pretty certain, And Tanya and Tatiana's cases jmo were the only cases that showed indications of an indoor CS, jmo didn't get that with any of the other OP victims. And while this case is now going forward, Bittrolff's team, too, has been asking for more testing and is looking for reevaluation on behalf of Bittrolff.

I'm wondering if there's going to be a lot more evidence put forward by the prosecutorial team in the Andrew Dykes case, and I am guessing yes, because I don't know how anyone explains away the very poorly coiffed elephant in the room that is Rex Heuermann. Really curious as to what John Ray thinks on these developments.

Agreed. Happy Holidays, Rex!

That HK document does seem to have cooked Rex's goose thoroughly as well as carving it up and serving it on a silver platter, doesn't it?

I do agree with his lawyer, Michael Brown, that at this point, not testing all the DNA evidence involved makes no sense. Defendants need to be able to receive an extremely fair trial to offset the known corruption of previous regimes in Suffolk County.

In my opinion, the fact that that one desolate stretch of road was used by more than one killer ties in with other known areas. I know of "insurance hole" near the North Carolina/Tennessee line and an area "up Jellico Mountain" in Kentucky that are known to be dumping grounds. I suspect other areas of the country have remote locations known to be used for similar reasons.

We already know the darkness of Suffolk County that appears to have spawned multiple "serial killers". I don't think it requires imagination to guess anyone who lived in the area and needed to hide a body might come up with the same stretch of highway. Although, the dismemberment aspect probably requires some imagination. Having read RH's document and knowing he studied other killers offer me an explanation.

DA Tierney's method of simply working the evidence on each case gives me some confidence that his office does charge only when they feel sure they have enough to convict. The only thing I know of (and suspect the public and jury will insist on) is a complete presentation of all the facts (YES, all the DNA) in order to be sure jurors are allowed to see the full story and justice is finally served. I sincerely hope Tierney comes out a "hero" in this and not another of Suffolk's villains.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

That HK document does seem to have cooked Rex's goose thoroughly as well as carving it up and serving it on a silver platter, doesn't it?

I do agree with his lawyer, Michael Brown, that at this point, not testing all the DNA evidence involved makes no sense. Defendants need to be able to receive an extremely fair trial to offset the known corruption of previous regimes in Suffolk County.

In my opinion, the fact that that one desolate stretch of road was used by more than one killer ties in with other known areas. I know of "insurance hole" near the North Carolina/Tennessee line and an area "up Jellico Mountain" in Kentucky that are known to be dumping grounds. I suspect other areas of the country have remote locations known to be used for similar reasons.

We already know the darkness of Suffolk County that appears to have spawned multiple "serial killers". I don't think it requires imagination to guess anyone who lived in the area and needed to hide a body might come up with the same stretch of highway. Although, the dismemberment aspect probably requires some imagination. Having read RH's document and knowing he studied other killers offer me an explanation.

DA Tierney's method of simply working the evidence on each case gives me some confidence that his office does charge only when they feel sure they have enough to convict. The only thing I know of (and suspect the public and jury will insist on) is a complete presentation of all the facts (YES, all the DNA) in order to be sure jurors are allowed to see the full story and justice is finally served. I sincerely hope Tierney comes out a "hero" in this and not another of Suffolk's villains.

I agree @CuriousCricket ….. one thing that does worry me, if they try to prosecute on all cases against RH at once….. and have no ‘hold back’, what if something were to go afoul? I hope that they do not prosecute all cases at once. IANAL. MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

I agree @CuriousCricket ….. one thing that does worry me, if they try to prosecute on all cases against RH at once….. and have no ‘hold back’, what if something were to go afoul? I hope that they do not prosecute all cases at once. IANAL. MOO

Now that is an interesting point. Try a few. If something goes wrong and he is not convicted, then he could be charged with the others does make sense to try to be absolutely positive RH doesn't "walk".

Your post has made me wonder if it isn't possible they do have other cases to charge him with. They "claimed" they stopped working other cases in order to prepare for trial. But perhaps we do have reason to wonder if there's not more. I think many of us think there's "more". I would not be surprised if the DA's office doesn't have a few "tricks up its sleeves".

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[snarast]

From 2023 starting with three - then going further to four (G4), five and six+seven. I’m guessing they ran a lot in parallel and found so much evidence for these additional 3 - Valerie, Sandra and Jessica - that they simply had to bring those as well. Probably because the victims have families - who need their sorrow turned into peace.

There are children of these women who have grown up having to deal with all the trauma, innuendo and victim-blaming

If there is a chance for them to turn what may have seemed as humiliation to - instead - justice for their loved one. That is big.

Which means that there is plenty of evidence to go around.

Despite Andrew Dykes and all.

IMHOO

 

[Vern]

From 2023 starting with three - then going further to four (G4), five and six+seven. I’m guessing they ran a lot in parallel and found so much evidence for these additional 3 - Valerie, Sandra and Jessica - that they simply had to bring those as well. Probably because the victims have families - who need their sorrow turned into peace.

There are children of these women who have grown up having to deal with all the trauma, innuendo and victim-blaming

If there is a chance for them to turn what may have seemed as humiliation to - instead - justice for their loved one. That is big.

Which means that there is plenty of evidence to go around.

Despite Andrew Dykes and all.

IMHOO

I'm a believer that, in spite of Andrew Dykes, any hope of RH's defence arguing at trial that he was 'framed up by Suffolk' or that LE 'failed to thoroughly investigate other possible perps for the crimes' has now been squashed.

Yep, they've got plenty of incriminating evidence on RH for the ones he's charged with and had exonerating evidence for Peaches. Likewise AD - incriminating evidence on Peaches & exonerating evidence for the others. That won't bode well for RH or AD at their respective trials despite the proximity of their victims' remains IMO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

What's the holdup with proceeding to trial, anybody know? Wasn't he arrested in July 2023? It's 2.5 years later. Time to get this to trial IMO.