Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #17

[333_OnlyHalfEvil]

if there was a prostitute, Rex was talking to them...he had 60 going at he time of his arrest. didn't Asa ever wonder about the money he was making? didn't she wonder why they lived in a shack? mOO

She didn't seem to question anything, ever. Even when faced with evidence she said she fell in love with RH all over again seeing him behind bars for the first time...that made me so angry!

 

[Betty P]

Same....I feel 80/20 that he killed Shannan. I was more 50/50 until that cab driver witness.

But....time will tell, I hope. For her family, I hope there are answers.

MOO

She was a very credible witness, JMO.

 

[TOMBISHOP]

There's a necessary clarification to be made about the swamp:
(you can all look at the time series images over the years thanks to Google Earth)
it was actually completely razed; only packed earth remained during the research over the years, and the vegetation that has grown now is certainly not the same as it was back then...
It must have once been decidedly wilder than it has grown back now.

I have a question: Does anyone know or can estimate R.H.'s annual salary?

 

[Ruminations]

There's a necessary clarification to be made about the swamp:
(you can all look at the time series images over the years thanks to Google Earth)
it was actually completely razed; only packed earth remained during the research over the years, and the vegetation that has grown now is certainly not the same as it was back then...
It must have once been decidedly wilder than it has grown back now.

I have a question: Does anyone know or can estimate R.H.'s annual salary?

Before the marsh was razed, SCPD was fact checked on it's impenetrability, its darkness and its wetness, and it was found to be false.

There are many reasonable theories for how and by whom Shannan was murdered. But the theory that is quite debunked is that Shannan ran herself out of her pants and to her death. It's physically impossible.

In addition, there is no evidence Shannan crossed the marsh, or even entered it alive.

MOO

 

[hot cawfeee]

Just noting, I think he was, but anything he'd have to say on SG would be of great interest. It'd also be of interest to know if he retained any clippings from SG's investigation specifically.

that would be interesting !!!!

 

[hot cawfeee]

if there was a prostitute, Rex was talking to them...he had 60 going at he time of his arrest. didn't Asa ever wonder about the money he was making? didn't she wonder why they lived in a shack? mOO

I wonder that too....I guess RH controlled the money and Asa was "encouraged" to keep her mouth shut......what was her profession? Does anyone know ?

 

[Curiousgal1203]

Perhaps another "rescue" in a DP state? We all know RH is a big "rescue" guy.

Family claims missing South Carolina woman was last seen with Gilgo Beach suspect

Julia Ann Bean, 36, vanished from Sumter County, South Carolina in May 2017. She hasn’t been seen or heard from since

www.the-independent.com

Daughter of missing S. Carolina mom believes she was last seen with Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann

“I have chills … I’ve seen him,” Julia Ann Bean’s daughter wrote in a text message.

nypost.com

If not her, maybe someone else in a DP state?

You know, I just can't picture Mr. Murder pleading out with no apparent incentive for... no reason whatsoever. I also can't see him pleading out for unlimited stockpiles of butter. It's gotta be a lot more substantive, but again, jmho. Right, I know it's not a deal, but maybe a little "goodwill hunting" in a DP abolition state.

He's scared of something, jmo. Think about it, if he's the sadist he's admitting to being in these horrendous murders, would he really go ahead at this point and plead out with no incentive?

There's something in it for him somewhere, potentially.

I really hope that as part of his agreement he doesn't have to disclose other crimes, because you know there are women in SC and NV that were his victims. I am sure there is a play RH is trying to do here for himself, he is a psychopath, sociopath an narcissist so saying he cares for his family (which he may), but psychopaths lack empathy. I just hope the families can finally get some closure.

 

[minazoe]

I really hope that as part of his agreement he doesn't have to disclose other crimes, because you know there are women in SC and NV that were his victims. I am sure there is a play RH is trying to do here for himself, he is a psychopath, sociopath an narcissist so saying he cares for his family (which he may), but psychopaths lack empathy. I just hope the families can finally get some closure.

I honestly don't know how the daughter can misidentify Rex, therefore I believe her 100 percent. you cannot mistake Rex for someone else. he is an anomaly, a giant ogre with a head like an anvil. He passed himself off as a rich architect and lured in a vulnerable woman. Rex likes to play, to play games. again I really want to see his calendars. So this was a little bit of a romance until it wasn't ..I hope everyone can see how serial killers switch things up and try different fantasies out...they can be versatile and unpredictable...even Sam Little, he shot 99.9 % of his victims but then one day he strangled one. you can't say that just because Rex had that girl garden of victims that he didn't put other victims on roadsides, pathways, rooftops, hotel rooms, rivers or whatever.

we tend to want to pigeon hole him just to feel closure..any more victims would be crazy..but it's not crazy...look how we are still finding Ted victims and you would think a dead naked girl, beaten and tied up on the side of the road would not be a "TB" victim...or a girl drowned at the beach ( which he attempted ) ...but here we are.

 

[minazoe]

I want to add that it must have been triggering and frustrating to have his family around and be in that house where he took victims to kill them. I mean think of how great for him if they could just be on vacation all the time. so that makes me think he was able to compartmentalize his life to a degree but the endless reminders of his murders would be evocative and make him want to do it again..I think his sadistic side had to come out and was this absolute disregard for his family. When Asa was showing everyone the remodeled bathroom, you would think she had never in her life seen anything like it and thought it was a marvel.. I mean some people don't care about stuff and don't want to put energy into domesticity and decor etc..and I understand that...Asa is kind of an old hippie in that way, but this house was just an awful hoarder house, top to bottom...imagine having your daughter living in a home where you have murdered young women? heartbreaking and I am sure we are going to learn so much more. mOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I want to add that it must have been triggering and frustrating to have his family around and be in that house where he took victims to kill them. I mean think of how great for him if they could just be on vacation all the time. so that makes me think he was able to compartmentalize his life to a degree but the endless reminders of his murders would be evocative and make him want to do it again..I think his sadistic side had to come out and was this absolute disregard for his family. When Asa was showing everyone the remodeled bathroom, you would think she had never in her life seen anything like it and thought it was a marvel.. I mean some people don't care about stuff and don't want to put energy into domesticity and decor etc..and I understand that...Asa is kind of an old hippie in that way, but this house was just an awful hoarder house, top to bottom...imagine having your daughter living in a home where you have murdered young women? heartbreaking and I am sure we are going to learn so much more. mOO

Thinking about that house and lifestyle. Hoarding is listed in the DSM-5 under Obsessive/Compulsive Disorders and is considered a mental illness. I imagine that AE was never made to feel like that home was actually "her's". First, Rex grew up in that house with his parents and sisters so it was his house. He then lived there with his ex-wife so it was their home. Finally, AE moves in and, in the end, the place was a house of horrors and hoarding. I believe she was the hoarder, otherwise she would have worked to clean it out over those 25 years. It's as if she had no ambition, no motivation, no will to take care of that home or her life. Imagine growing up in that cluttered environment! And let's face it, RH was hardly home. He worked full time and commuted an hour each way, which means he likely left home around 06:00 hours to get to the train station and returned after 19:00 hours. I would say he was gone for 13-15 hours most days. Just to do it all over again the next day. And he had to sleep. He must have spent hours searching for, communicating and meeting up with sex workers for "dates", which means he wasn't present during his obsessing over SW's. He was often out into the middle of the nights also with SW's. When did he even have time to devote to that marriage? I don't believe they had a close relationship at all. And let's not forget what her lawyer said in the beginning. Their marriage had "been in trouble" for years before his arrest. And yet, there she sat in that hoarding house of horrors year after year after miserable year.
MOO

 

[snooptroop88]

Thinking about that house and lifestyle. Hoarding is listed in the DSM-5 under Obsessive/Compulsive Disorders and is considered a mental illness. I imagine that AE was never made to feel like that home was actually "her's". First, Rex grew up in that house with his parents and sisters so it was his house. He then lived there with his ex-wife so it was their home. Finally, AE moves in and, in the end, the place was a house of horrors and hoarding. I believe she was the hoarder, otherwise she would have worked to clean it out over those 25 years. It's as if she had no ambition, no motivation, no will to take care of that home or her life. Imagine growing up in that cluttered environment! And let's face it, RH was hardly home. He worked full time and commuted an hour each way, which means he likely left home around 06:00 hours to get to the train station and returned after 19:00 hours. I would say he was gone for 13-15 hours most days. Just to do it all over again the next day. And he had to sleep. He must have spent hours searching for, communicating and meeting up with sex workers for "dates", which means he wasn't present during his obsessing over SW's. He was often out into the middle of the nights also with SW's. When did he even have time to devote to that marriage? I don't believe they had a close relationship at all. And let's not forget what her lawyer said in the beginning. Their marriage had "been in trouble" for years before his arrest. And yet, there she sat in that hoarding house of horrors year after year after miserable year.
MOO

I find it difficult not to feel extremely bad for her when she keeps her mouth shut. With her mouth open, though, for a price on Peacock, I find it difficult not to verbally attack her. I still feel bad for her even as I do it, though, because I do feel she just doesn't yet fully accept the idea that he did it. Right, he did. Agreed with @Forest_Wood, like this pair was around doing "everything together"?? I doubt it. I'm sure LE already checked that out. These people likely spent little time actually together, but jmo. They lived in different universes. He had purse control, that makes for very, very different universes overall.

This guy had his own family in Long Island, no complaints. This guy went through high school in Massapequa, no complaints. This guy worked at Jones Beach, no complaints. This guy went through college and successfully pursued an architect's license, no complaints. This guy married in 1990 divorced some time after. no complarits. This guy worked as an architect in Freeport, no complaints. This guy had his own incredibly successful Manhattan architectural firm for years, no complaints.

So you're wondering why the wife had no complaints? For the same reason none of these other parties had no complaints.

Slick.

 

[minazoe]

I don't think Rex was slick, I think Asa has extremely low self esteem and was grateful for the roof over her head. I think she left him alone and he did the same with her. They were both slovenly and in typical sociopath/psychopath fashion, they aren't really bothered by their lowly surroundings. My guess is she knew he was weird and didn't care as long as she was married and taken care of. I am guessing she had much more knowledge of his proclivities then she lets on. maybe not murder and stuff but she could know much by his humor even, by his remarks, by things he wanted to do in the bedroom. And if all the swinging rumors are true then there is so much more.

sho got all his money and property in the end so she is going to stay loyal until he croaks. mOO

 

[PCHS]

I find it difficult not to feel extremely bad for her when she keeps her mouth shut. With her mouth open, though, for a price on Peacock, I find it difficult not to verbally attack her. I still feel bad for her even as I do it, though, because I do feel she just doesn't yet fully accept the idea that he did it. Right, he did. Agreed with @Forest_Wood, like this pair was around doing "everything together"?? I doubt it. I'm sure LE already checked that out. These people likely spent little time actually together, but jmo. They lived in different universes. He had purse control, that makes for very, very different universes overall.

This guy had his own family in Long Island, no complaints. This guy went through high school in Massapequa, no complaints. This guy worked at Jones Beach, no complaints. This guy went through college and successfully pursued an architect's license, no complaints. This guy married in 1990 divorced some time after. no complarits. This guy worked as an architect in Freeport, no complaints. This guy had his own incredibly successful Manhattan architectural firm for years, no complaints.

So you're wondering why the wife had no complaints? For the same reason none of these other parties had no complaints.

Slick.

Yes I think Asa had issues for sure...I don't have experience in this area at all, but when she speaks she seems off as if there is some sort of cognitive issue or ND or something (hard to tell) + she likely had trauma before getting involved with him from the bit we know, which he then basically swooped in and fixed it all for her like a protector. Couple that with the low self worth/esteem (that I personally read) + cognitive issues (again could be wrong about this ) and someone she feels has lifted her up/rescued her /protected her...I can see someone being in denial/defensive that the world is crashing in like this in a very stark reality check and feel bad for them that they are in this situation. I mean it is all just such a ...mess of awfulness

 

[snooptroop88]

I don't think Rex was slick, I think Asa has extremely low self esteem and was grateful for the roof over her head. I think she left him alone and he did the same with her. They were both slovenly and in typical sociopath/psychopath fashion, they aren't really bothered by their lowly surroundings. My guess is she knew he was weird and didn't care as long as she was married and taken care of. I am guessing she had much more knowledge of his proclivities then she lets on. maybe not murder and stuff but she could know much by his humor even, by his remarks, by things he wanted to do in the bedroom. And if all the swinging rumors are true then there is so much more.

sho got all his money and property in the end so she is going to stay loyal until he croaks. mOO

For someone not slick, he fooled quite a few people. I doubt that many other serial killers have obtained architect's licesnses in their lifetimes.

She may indeed be grateful for a roof over her head. Most people are, when in bad situations.

Everything noted here may be a significant factor as to why he chose to put a roof over this particular woman's head. But it doesn't mean she knew she was living with the monster that she was living with.

 

[Serononin]

I don't think Rex was slick, I think Asa has extremely low self esteem and was grateful for the roof over her head. I think she left him alone and he did the same with her. They were both slovenly and in typical sociopath/psychopath fashion, they aren't really bothered by their lowly surroundings. My guess is she knew he was weird and didn't care as long as she was married and taken care of. I am guessing she had much more knowledge of his proclivities then she lets on. maybe not murder and stuff but she could know much by his humor even, by his remarks, by things he wanted to do in the bedroom. And if all the swinging rumors are true then there is so much more.

sho got all his money and property in the end so she is going to stay loyal until he croaks. mOO

Reminds me of Anna Duggar's famous "at least I have a husband" line

 

[minazoe]

For someone not slick, he fooled quite a few people. I doubt that many other serial killers have obtained architect's licesnses in their lifetimes.

She may indeed be grateful for a roof over her head. Most people are, when in bad situations.

Everything noted here may be a significant factor as to why he chose to put a roof over this particular woman's head. But it doesn't mean she knew she was living with the monster that she was living with.

I do agree he is probably very slick when it comes to Asa because she is like a lap dog for him and he can no doubt play her very easily. you are right..he is slick and that is the nature of his business as well, knowing all the in and outs of building codes, you have to be a chess player and very resourceful...and he did fool people for sure...he hid in plain sight and had a diabolical number of phones and devices..he called the victims, he tortured families and harmed their psyches forever. you are right...very slick indeed. It's insane...all while living in a 1200 sq foot house with three other people.

It takes ten years to fully become an architect...and then to succeed in the world of Manhattan and have an established firm is a
privilege beyond measure for most people and a place of honor among professionals.
Yet here is Rex and he lives his life in squalor...he's just a big lazy slob of a man.

and in the early days of Gigo beach we envisioned this dark figure...calling from the train station..some eerie monster in the night.

I mean it was REX! it was Rex the twelve foot tall cyclops with the thousand pound arms and shark like teeth. it was Rex the whole time...it's funny that back then I guessed the killer was tall and strong and may have pitched those bodies off the back of a pickup truck from the side of the road, just one of many things I could picture someone backing a pickup into the roadside and tossing the victim like a tied up mattress..We vacillated too because many of us thought it was the doctor who would be physically excluded from that scenario...and most of us thought at the time Shannan was connected. but I digress, yes Rex was pretty slick and thank god he stupidly left hairs on the victims , even for all his preparations and ingenious plans. mOO

 

[snooptroop88]

I do agree he is probably very slick when it comes to Asa because she is like a lap dog for him and he can no doubt play her very easily. you are right..he is slick and that is the nature of his business as well, knowing all the in and outs of building codes, you have to be a chess player and very resourceful...and he did fool people for sure...he hid in plain sight and had a diabolical number of phones and devices..he called the victims, he tortured families and harmed their psyches forever. you are right...very slick indeed. It's insane...all while living in a 1200 sq foot house with three other people.

It takes ten years to fully become an architect...and then to succeed in the world of Manhattan and have an established firm is a
privilege beyond measure for most people and a place of honor among professionals.
Yet here is Rex and he lives his life in squalor...he's just a big lazy slob of a man.

and in the early days of Gigo beach we envisioned this dark figure...calling from the train station..some eerie monster in the night.

I mean it was REX! it was Rex the twelve foot tall cyclops with the thousand pound arms and shark like teeth. it was Rex the whole time...it's funny that back then I guessed the killer was tall and strong and may have pitched those bodies off the back of a pickup truck from the side of the road, just one of many things I could picture someone backing a pickup into the roadside and tossing the victim like a tied up mattress..We vacillated too because many of us thought it was the doctor who would be physically excluded from that scenario...and most of us thought at the time Shannan was connected. but I digress, yes Rex was pretty slick and thank god he stupidly left hairs on the victims , even for all his preparations and ingenious plans. mOO

You know, though, you're completely right that for someone so slick, he sure did do some very stupid things. As you mentioned, had that house a mess like that, it got so bad it had to draw attention. My reaction to it would be, you know, what's up with that? And drawing that kind of attention in his situation... not slick, totally agreed.

The hairs, dunno, I don't see how that could have been avoided, out slaughtering people, he's not going to be able to sit around with a magnifying glass checking for hair (although it sounds like he came as close to that as possible), but think he probably knew the risk and focused more on finding locations for remains that would be so diffuclt to find that they might never be discovered. And with every passing day those remains were undetected, more and more evidence would be lost.

And I mean, what about Amber? He actually had a witness there that got a look at him! And he went ahead and killed her regardless.

Typing up HK, was this really slick? Guess that could go either way, like an argument could be made on each side. Keeping clippings, not slick, but jmo.

You're completely right that a lot of this wasn't at all slick. Some of it's reckless and careless. But he seems to have been counting on never ending up on the radar. Did she help with that? I mean jmo, I think she did. I'd like to think unknowingly. He'd possibly be himself thinking that she'd do a far better job at maintaining his facade if she didn't know.

 

[minazoe]

I don't know if there is a "plea deal" in this guilty plea from Rex..but if there is then he needs to confess to all his murders. Such a bad idea to give him anything at all and then allow him to withhold his victims from their grieving families and continue to torture them from behind bars and to use his secrets for leverage. BAD BAD BAD. mOO

 

[snooptroop88]

I don't know if there is a "plea deal" in this guilty plea from Rex..but if there is then he needs to confess to all his murders. Such a bad idea to give him anything at all and then allow him to withhold his victims from their grieving families and continue to torture them from behind bars and to use his secrets for leverage. BAD BAD BAD. mOO

If memory serves me correctly, AE's har was more often found on victims than RH's hair, and even the daughter's hair was found. They're not being convicted, and they're not going through CODIS if he pleads guilty.

Scary. I don't think running him through CODIS is going to be the slam-dunk others are anticipating it to be on excluding him from any other murders. I mean, look at HK. Like he didn't succeed more times than not in leaving no DNA?

How are we going to really know if he confesses to all his murders? As of now, he's still (potentially in other cases.).. the only one who knows he committed them.

Totally agreed this is very bad. I mean just... "wow" bad.