Girl, 12, 'interrogated' by school staff until she gives up Facebook password

  • #181
The federal law protects the child it does NOT prohibit the child from having a Fb account.
This is not the School or Government's business period. It is the parents responsibility and I would be livid if this happened to my grandchildren.
My Grandchildren ALL have FB because that is the way we communicate as we all live in different areas.
At 12 yes they had FB and we all had their passwords and passwords to their email. Their school does not have this info as it is none of their business how our family communicates.

By the way we also have 3 elementary school teachers in out large extended family.

It protects the child's information, it's a law called COPPA and it's the regulation of the FTC. Most websites don't want to dish out 11k per violation because they didn't know a child was only 13 and that is why they don't permit them on the site. Know your rights read the link below.

http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/coppafaqs.shtm
 
  • #182
The same could be said about some parents.

What a precious snowflake we have here. "I want to know who the f%$# told on me,"

If my parents ever heard me talk or write like that when I was twelve, I'd be raking the leaves off the lawn of every house on my block - twice, if I made the mistake of complaining about it.

Maybe the school went a bit far reaching, but how did it get this far in the first place?

I would have been raking leaves as well. And perhaps this kid doesn't have great parents. I don't know. Or maybe she does. Maybe she was punished for using bad language.

This issue is not whether the child has a bad mouth. It's whether the school should take the place of the parent and whether children have any privacy rights in relation to school officials.

More important, it's whether having three staff members and a LE official interrogating a child and demanding her FB password due to some sort of sexual reference made after hours on her FB page, is appropriate.

My opinion is, no.

I don't think this kid should have an FB page, or use foul language or talk about sex with other kids in a public or semi-public forum. But if it is not occurring at school, how the heck is it any of the school's business? At all? Unless there are signs of abuse or criminal intent in those postings, what business is it of theirs?

Listen, I greatly respect teachers and the public education system. I support their unions. I know, having a few in my family, how hard they work. It's no 9-3 job with summers off as people think. Instead, it's working until midnight adapting lesson plans for the seven kids they just dumped in your class of 32, several of them with learning problems or language issues. It's working all summer to get ready for the new load of kids who will bring your class total to 40. It's e-mailing parents repeatedly about kids who have issues because the parents are not involved enough or because they are much too involved. Etc., etc.

But this kind of nonsense gives school staff and public schools a really bad name.

There is much too much to worry about in the real world, like abused kids, learning disabled kids, teachers not doing their jobs and leaving the next teacher with undereducated students, children with parents who do not value education one iota, disruptive students with emotional problems, and so on. IMO, if this school is monitoring one kid's FB page because she called a staffer mean, mediocrity rules at that school because I know exactly how much time they have and what they have to deal with. My mom was a teacher, one of my brothers is a teacher and my sweetheart is a teacher. Many teachers and school administrators can barely take a breath if they are doing their jobs.

IMO, people like thse as well as the ones who forced a kid to eat the chicken nugget pig slop instead of her perfectly good lunch from home, are mediocre at best and mediocrity seems to work as hard as possible to do the wrong thing.

We seem to reward mediocrity much too much in our country. I'm kind of sick of that. This story is just another symptom of our skewed values in that regard. Of course, and again, that is with the caveat that I am assuming there is no more to the story than we already know.
 
  • #183
When we all have our civil rights violated we should not whine and moan because we allow our children to have no rights in the school system. The school should not allow personal internet activity to take place during school hours, and they should not get involved with matters that a parent should take care of. How anything the girl did could be considered criminal and require some deputy to loom threateningly over the child has not been made clear. This is a child and not some grown adult saying perverted things and harassing people online. Adults who are harassed and stalked usually can't even get any help. I wouldn't be suprised if the school didn't allow ipods and phone texting to go on during school hours just so they can spy and catch kids saying things. Also, if I understand the story correctly there were some teachers communicating with this child on facebook? There's no way I'd want my grandkid talking to ANY adults other than family on facebook or anywhere outside of the classroom, period. That is very inappropriate, but IMO, probably a setup. ARen't those teachers breaking some federal law by spying and communicating with a child on social media instead of turning it in to the site and getting the kid's account closed? They're even taking screen shots and showing them around instead of getting her off facebook VIA facebook.
 
  • #184
It protects the child's information, it's a law called COPPA and it's the regulation of the FTC. Most websites don't want to dish out 11k per violation because they didn't know a child was only 13 and that is why they don't permit them on the site. Know your rights read the link below.

http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/coppafaqs.shtm


If internet websites are forbidden by COPPA to collect a child's information or otherwise violate their privacy, then why should the child's school be exempt from adherence to Federal law?

A school has no authority to intimidate or otherwise force a minor into revealing private account information unless the account is somehow connected directly to the school's servers or is posted while on school property. Violation of Facebook's policies are up to FACEBOOK to enforce.
 
  • #185
Are we now assuming the hall monitor was at fault? I believe that's precisely the problem with our schools that posters (particularly teachers) have been pointing out.

One of the purposes of school should be to teach students that sometimes they have to deal with difficult personalities.

true, however, I think venting is allowed - even when learning to deal with difficult personalities.

Venting is saying "hey, I am dealing with a difficult person. I don't think this person likes me. This person seems mean."

How exactly does this warrant school involvement? No threats were made, no one was bullied (save maybe the student who was bullied into giving out her passcode)

:moo:
 
  • #186
I don't know of the hall monitor doing any wrong, she didn't respond back to her on FB as some teachers have. As far as I know she wasn't in the room where the deputy and the counselor were. As a matter of fact the principal wasn't even present at that incident. I wonder if the principal was there things would have been handled differently.

BBM: I also don't know the monitor did anything wrong. But some of the posts here seemed to be assuming the adult employee was at fault. (Which, quite frankly, reminds me of exactly the complaint of so many teachers: that parents immediately assume the child can't possibly be unreasonable or untruthful.)

But even if the monitor was difficult, as I posted above, part of the purpose of school is to learn to deal with difficult people. My way-above-average niece still struggles with the idea that for her own good, it isn't enough to make straight As in classes where she likes the teachers while making Cs and lower in classes where she does not. This has always been hard for her, but she managed to graduate high school with honors and is applying the same lesson now at college.

Just to be clear, the behavior of the monitor, good or bad, doesn't change my opinion that the school was wrong to involve itself in the issue of off-campus internet usage.
 
  • #187
BBM: I also don't know the monitor did anything wrong. But some of the posts here seemed to be assuming the adult employee was at fault. (Which, quite frankly, reminds me of exactly the complaint of so many teachers: that parents immediately assume the child can't possibly be unreasonable or untruthful.)

But even if the monitor was difficult, as I posted above, part of the purpose of school is to learn to deal with difficult people. My way-above-average niece still struggles with the idea that for her own good, it isn't enough to make straight As in classes where she likes the teachers while making Cs and lower in classes where she does not. This has always been hard for her, but she managed to graduate high school with honors and is applying the same lesson now at college.

Just to be clear, the behavior of the monitor, good or bad, doesn't change my opinion that the school was wrong to involve itself in the issue of off-campus internet usage.


The thing is they were dealing with this girl in what I think is an appropriate matter. First she received detention then when her behavior didn't improve they stiffened the penalty to one day detention and banned
her from the ski trip. I don't know what she said to get the mother to come to the school and have them read what she was saying to her son. I personally am not going to continue to speculate until I learn more from either the school or through the court.
 
  • #188
true, however, I think venting is allowed - even when learning to deal with difficult personalities.

Venting is saying "hey, I am dealing with a difficult person. I don't think this person likes me. This person seems mean."

How exactly does this warrant school involvement? No threats were made, no one was bullied (save maybe the student who was bullied into giving out her passcode)

:moo:

Yes, I think venting is one way we cope with difficult people and no call for the school to get involved.

My argument was against assuming the monitor WAS mean just because a child thought the monitor was mean. The kid's entitled to her opinion, but that doesn't mean we should take it as gospel.
 
  • #189
The thing is they were dealing with this girl in what I think is an appropriate matter. First she received detention then when her behavior didn't improve they stiffened the penalty to one day detention and banned
her from the ski trip. I don't know what she said to get the mother to come to the school and have them read what she was saying to her son. I personally am not going to continue to speculate until I learn more from either the school or through the court.

"My teacher is mean" -- even on FB -- does not require involvement by the school, much less a suspension. Sorry, but I think school administrators have better things to do or we have too many administrators.

And a student's private, off-campus conversations with another student, regardless of the medium, unless they involve explicit threats of violence, are not the school's concern either.
 
  • #190
"My teacher is mean" -- even on FB -- does not require involvement by the school, much less a suspension. Sorry, but I think school administrators have better things to do or we have too many administrators.

And a student's private, off-campus conversations with another student, regardless of the medium, unless they involve explicit threats of violence, are not the school's concern either.

This is my opinion as well!

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  • #191
Well what if a child says, I hate so and so I wish I could put a bullet between their eyes? or I just might blow their head off one day?
 
  • #192
Well what if a child says, I hate so and so I wish I could put a bullet between their eyes? or I just might blow their head off one day?

Then it would considered a threat, not an opinion, I say I hate my boss all the time, but I have never threatened him.

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  • #193
Just getting them ready for corporate America.

Would You Give Job Interviewers Your Facebook Password? Because They Might Ask
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...y-might-ask/254810/?google_editors_picks=true

"In their efforts to vet applicants," reporters Manuel Valdes and Shannon McFarland put it, "some companies and government agencies are going beyond merely glancing at a person's social networking profiles and instead asking to log in as the user to have a look around."
 
  • #194
Would You Give Job Interviewers Your Facebook Password? Because They Might Ask
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...y-might-ask/254810/?google_editors_picks=true

"In their efforts to vet applicants," reporters Manuel Valdes and Shannon McFarland put it, "some companies and government agencies are going beyond merely glancing at a person's social networking profiles and instead asking to log in as the user to have a look around."

I find this trend utterly shocking. I can't believe there isn't more outrage about it.
 
  • #195
I find this trend utterly shocking. I can't believe there isn't more outrage about it.

I agree but if you've ever noticed I really think one's Facebook says a lot about one's character. Character is a big thing with some corporations even though some of them seem to be very unethical to me.
 
  • #196
As far as this particular incident, I still stand by "We don't know the whole story." I'm also extremely suspicious of a parent who chose to do nothing at home to reinforce the schools need for cooperation with discipline. If that's what happened.

It is so upsetting to me that this mom did/does not realize the dangers of Facebook period.
 
  • #197
I agree but if you've ever noticed I really think one's Facebook says a lot about one's character. Character is a big thing with some corporations even though some of them seem to be very unethical to me.
Granted, it wasn't wise for this 12-year-old to have a Facebook page, nor was it wise for her to publicly post her feelings, but... saying an aide is mean is merely an opinion, and often a valid one- the noon-duty aides at my daughter's school are mean- I know that for a fact! It is a far cry from a threat, and the school had no business being involved, or involoving LE. This was a matter that should have been handled by the girl's parents and Facebook!!! I'll be damned if my daughter's school will ever get her Facebook password, that's over the line and immature!
 
  • #198
I agree but if you've ever noticed I really think one's Facebook says a lot about one's character. Character is a big thing with some corporations even though some of them seem to be very unethical to me.

Yes, a persons public FB.

But why should an employer be entitled to a person's password? Messages that can be read with a password are private and really none of an employer's business. . .unless they suspect a crime and in that case they can call LE and get a warrant with probable cause.
 
  • #199
Yes, a persons public FB.

But why should an employer be entitled to a person's password? Messages that can be read with a password are private and really none of an employer's business. . .unless they suspect a crime and in that case they can call LE and get a warrant with probable cause.

My husband works away from home sometimes. When he is gone, he could be gone for weeks. There is no cellular service where he goes, but there is Internet----so we communicate a lot through FB messages.

No way on this earth would I let a potential employer see our private conversations.....the messages aren't sexual or anything, but they are private discussions about our lives.

Nobody gets my password, period. And if a potential employee will disregard FB policy about not giving out your password, then I would be wondering if they would give up company passwords if someone else pressured them!
 
  • #200
I'd have no problem lying in an interview and saying I don't have a Facebook profile. After all, my posts and profile are only visible to friends anyway.

Unfortunately, Facebook broadcasts the existence of my profile, so it turns up in a simple google search.

Certainly, tiredblondy is correct that seeing my profile might be useful to anyone wanting info about me. But the same may be said of my ATM code, a camera in my bedroom, or, hell, a letter I write to my sister: all would provide info about my character, but that doesn't mean an employer is entitled to that info.
 

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