Grand Jury Indictment Supports my Theory

[bettybaby00]

AND Dr B locked the medical records in his safe and declared that he would destroy them rather than produce them (if asked/ordered to do so). Dr B was also included in the conversation during which JR decided to hire his first atty, about six hours after JonBenet's body was discovered. what are they ALL hiding?

ETA: PR called Dr B four times after office hours on Dec 17th, which is the night of the hang-up 911 call, and couldn't remember what the calls were about

Oh I forgot about that....specifically how far he willing went to keep those records under wraps!

 

[Landonsmom02]

I have never been convinced the Ramseys either had a direct hand in what happened, nor that they knew about or participated in any abuse of their daughter. This is strictly IMO, but I have often felt they were the victims of "it's almost always the parents" thinking. The DNA under JonBenet's fingernails did not belong to any family member, and they were exonerated after Patsy's death. I remember the "bedwetting" theory, and I later read that there was absolutely no evidence that she had wet the bed that night - dry mattress, no wet/washed/drying sheets. It's been a long time, so I can't possibly cite which investigator made that statement. I felt they loved JonBenet and would have only attempted to protect one person who may have abused her, and that would have been if it was Burke, but, again, the DNA did not belong to him. YMMV.

It sounds to me like the GJ felt Burke was most likely to blame and that the Ramseys were somehow complicit, and I have to say I had often wondered if Burke was involved, without their prior knowledge, until the DNA evidence basically exonerated him as well.

BBM
The coroner has admitted to clipping JB finger nails with the same clippers that he used on other dead bodies......without cleaning them first!!! Sorry but that is just crazy and not to mention lazy. Hello he should have used new clippers and not reused ones. The DNA under her nails doesn't weigh in as a factor because of this. The DNA can't exonerate anyone not unless the dead body in the morgue was the same person that killed her. I would suggest reading Kolar's book. It will really open your eyes on beliefs on this case. We must also remember that the GJ was privy to info that we, as the public, still do not know about. Obvisoulsy they came to a conclusion after hearing and seeing all the evidence, that a Ramsey, who was in the house that night killed her and this indictment was the best choice. Hunter just let the killer(s) slip through the cracks because money talks........

 

[azwriter]

Wouldn't it make more sense that Burke was probably abusing her sexually in the basement for some time? He probably had some kind of a mental problem that the parents knew about.

Could not agree more. From early on I have been a Burke did it.

I believe the parents, or maybe just Patsy, caught Burke at this several times. The child had been warned not to repeat the act. So he had to keep everything secret. I can see his little sister screaming as he attempted it again Christmas night and him in a panic lashing out with a hit to the head.

I think one thing we keep forgetting is the complete absence of Burke's name ever being brought up by LE. The law forbid charging him, speaking about it, or ever naming him as a suspect. He was too young to charge.

It seems, and I'm not entirely clear about the amount of times, but Patsy and John sued many people and organizations whenever Burke's name was even brought into the picture. None of those suits were ever brought to trial. The Ramseys settled out of court and no testimony was every recorded from a courtroom or depositions.

I also think and it's just my opinion, that Patsy was not equipped as a parent to deal with Burke's sexual behavior with his sister. She would be ashamed to allow anyone to know what was going on and spoil the image she built of a perfect family unit. She may very well thought warning Burke was enough to make him stop.

The secrecy surrounding Burke in this entire crime more than proves to me that the parents are hiding and covering what really happened and they actually have the law on their side to do so when it concerns a minor child that can not be touched by the prosecution.

all just my O

 

[LinasK]

Could not agree more. From early on I have been a Burke did it.

I believe the parents, or maybe just Patsy, caught Burke at this several times. The child had been warned not to repeat the act. So he had to keep everything secret. I can see his little sister screaming as he attempted it again Christmas night and him in a panic lashing out with a hit to the head.

I think one thing we keep forgetting is the complete absence of Burke's name ever being brought up by LE. The law forbid charging him, speaking about it, or ever naming him as a suspect. He was too young to charge.

It seems, and I'm not entirely clear about the amount of times, but Patsy and John sued many people and organizations whenever Burke's name was even brought into the picture. None of those suits were ever brought to trial. The Ramseys settled out of court and no testimony was every recorded from a courtroom or depositions.

I also think and it's just my opinion, that Patsy was not equipped as a parent to deal with Burke's sexual behavior with his sister. She would be ashamed to allow anyone to know what was going on and spoil the image she built of a perfect family unit. She may very well thought warning Burke was enough to make him stop.

The secrecy surrounding Burke in this entire crime more than proves to me that the parents are hiding and covering what really happened and they actually have the law on their side to do so when it concerns a minor child that can not be touched by the prosecution.

all just my O

And I from early on and still believe John was the abuser and killer. He is far more likely to me than Burke!

 

[SyraKelly]

This horrifying murder and The West Memphis 3 trial were the ones that launched my passion for True Crime and child advocacy. Reading all the news about the Ramsey indictment has convinced me that there will likely never be a resolution here. I'm not so sure we'll ever find out who murdered that little angel.

It has been years since I revisited this case so I was hoping someone could clear this up for me:

Something I read stated that JobBenet had two small, distinctive burn marks on her body. They were consistent with a stun-gun. It stated that Burke had been given a stun-gun for some reason. (Christmas? Birthday) Did that turn out to be true or was that tabloid fodder. I confess that I did read everything I could get my hands on, including the Enquirer, so I'm sure much of it was fabricated to sell magazines.

I live in GA and I've been out to leave flowers on her grave many, many times. I have family buried out there as well. I actually saw Patsy one year at Town Center at Cobb shopping mall. It was when she was just beginning to show deterioration due to the cancer. Even if I had not recognized her as JonBenet's mother, I would have told you that she just had this dead, vacant look about her. She was having a bit of a shopping spree, though.

I just want this case to be solved in my lifetime. I want to know that the animal responsible is either dead, on death row or, upon conviction, will be put out into general population with a hundred dollar bill stapled to his/her forehead.

James Kolar thinks it was a piece of train track that made the marks on JB's body..it was not a stun gun!

His book is a must read for this case!!!

 

[midwest mama]

AND Dr B locked the medical records in his safe and declared that he would destroy them rather than produce them (if asked/ordered to do so). Dr B was also included in the conversation during which JR decided to hire his first atty, about six hours after JonBenet's body was discovered. what are they ALL hiding?

ETA: PR called Dr B four times after office hours on Dec 17th, which is the night of the hang-up 911 call, and couldn't remember what the calls were about

The calls to Beuf after hours happened on a different day than the night of the hang-up 911 call.

The calls to Beuf happened on the day of the luncheon that was held to celebrate JR's company reaching the billion dollar mark.

The hang up 911 call happened the evening of Dec 23, which was a Christmas party at the Ramsey house for 30 or so of the close Ramsey friends and neighbors.

JB and Burke did not attend the luncheon, and would most likely have been at home in someone else's care, unless school was in session on that day in Boulder.

 

[unsinkable]

What happened to Burke? Are there any stories about him growing up after JBR's death?

If he was involved, would you expect him to have lived a quiet, uneventful life after being involved in the death of his sister?

Also, do people think the medical records are covering up signs of abuse?

 

[Nom de plume]

The calls to Beuf after hours happened on a different day than the night of the hang-up 911 call.

The calls to Beuf happened on the day of the luncheon that was held to celebrate JR's company reaching the billion dollar mark.

The hang up 911 call happened the evening of Dec 23, which was a Christmas party at the Ramsey house for 30 or so of the close Ramsey friends and neighbors.

JB and Burke did not attend the luncheon, and would most likely have been at home in someone else's care, unless school was in session on that day in Boulder.

The 17th was a Tuesday so they most likely would have been at school, depending on when their Christmas vacation started. It might have started the 16th on through the first of the year.

Whether they were in school or not that day, what about later in the afternoon or evening? Did the luncheon carry over to a get together at the house?

 

[midwest mama]

The 17th was a Tuesday so they most likely would have been at school, depending on when their Christmas vacation started. It might have started the 16th on through the first of the year.

Whether they were in school or not that day, what about later in the afternoon or evening? Did the luncheon carry over to a get together at the house?

Hmmmm.....that would be a possibility, especially for a small group gathering. And, JAR was still bunking in with the R's during his break at that time, until leaving for GA on the 19th. He might have at least been part of a small house party if he had not also attended the luncheon that day.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Could not agree more. From early on I have been a Burke did it.

I believe the parents, or maybe just Patsy, caught Burke at this several times. The child had been warned not to repeat the act. So he had to keep everything secret. I can see his little sister screaming as he attempted it again Christmas night and him in a panic lashing out with a hit to the head.

I think one thing we keep forgetting is the complete absence of Burke's name ever being brought up by LE. The law forbid charging him, speaking about it, or ever naming him as a suspect. He was too young to charge.

It seems, and I'm not entirely clear about the amount of times, but Patsy and John sued many people and organizations whenever Burke's name was even brought into the picture. None of those suits were ever brought to trial. The Ramseys settled out of court and no testimony was every recorded from a courtroom or depositions.

I also think and it's just my opinion, that Patsy was not equipped as a parent to deal with Burke's sexual behavior with his sister. She would be ashamed to allow anyone to know what was going on and spoil the image she built of a perfect family unit. She may very well thought warning Burke was enough to make him stop.

The secrecy surrounding Burke in this entire crime more than proves to me that the parents are hiding and covering what really happened and they actually have the law on their side to do so when it concerns a minor child that can not be touched by the prosecution.

all just my O

But there's this case from Colorado:

Police in Lakewood have revealed more details about how a 3-year-old boy was able to pick up a gun and shoot and kill his 5-year-old brother.

So it looks like it is perfectly legal in Colorado for them to say that a child under 10 killed someone. They just can't name the child or charge them.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/12/...tails-about-deadly-shooting-between-brothers/

 

[SyraKelly]

What happened to Burke? Are there any stories about him growing up after JBR's death?

If he was involved, would you expect him to have lived a quiet, uneventful life after being involved in the death of his sister?

Also, do people think the medical records are covering up signs of abuse?

IMO..Yes I do think he would live a quiet life
I have always believed JB was the source of his anger
Once she was gone,his anger went with her
He has lived a troubled free life since then,that I know of.

 

[prima.facie]

What happened to Burke? Are there any stories about him growing up after JBR's death?

If he was involved, would you expect him to have lived a quiet, uneventful life after being involved in the death of his sister?

Also, do people think the medical records are covering up signs of abuse?

you can google him and find info on him he now looks like his father's twin IMO image here (link to pic has more info) [ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9902"]Burke Ramsey graduates from Purdue - May 2010 - Forums For Justice[/ame]

he also has a FB & twitter

 

[chlban]

SyraKelly;9931759IMO.

Yes I do think he would live a quiet life
I have always believed JB was the source of his anger
Once she was gone,his anger went with her
He has lived a troubled free life since then,that I know of.

Also he is still a young man. He has not been married, endured any stresses related to the break up of a marriage, children, custody issues, etc. He is a wealthy young man who had the full attention of his family after the death of JB and appears to be close to his dad.

The fact that he has lived a quiet life until his early twenties, hardly guarahtees we will never hear about him again.

Let's just say that has handsome as he is, as rich as he is, if my daughter wanted to marry him, it would probably be me you would read about because I would have to lock her in a closet until she got over it. Kidding, of course, about the lock up, but I assure you "horrified" would not even begin to describe what my reaciton would be.

 

[Chelly]

James Kolar thinks it was a piece of train track that made the marks on JB's body..it was not a stun gun!

His book is a must read for this case!!!

That is true. Tests showed that the marks on JBR's body matched identically with marks made from BR's train tracks. BTW BR had a train setup in his "Train Room" in the basement.

 

[tezi]

James Kolar thinks it was a piece of train track that made the marks on JB's body..it was not a stun gun!

His book is a must read for this case!!!

Yes, Chief Kolar puts the stun gun theory to rest, once and for all.

Yes, his book is a "must read" about this case. He knows the evidence.

 

[gramcracker]

AND Dr B locked the medical records in his safe and declared that he would destroy them rather than produce them (if asked/ordered to do so). Dr B was also included in the conversation during which JR decided to hire his first atty, about six hours after JonBenet's body was discovered. what are they ALL hiding?

ETA: PR called Dr B four times after office hours on Dec 17th, which is the night of the hang-up 911 call, and couldn't remember what the calls were about

don't see the edit button so quoting to correct my mistake! the 911 hang-up was during the party on the 23rd. sorry 'bout that ...

 

[gramcracker]

That is true. Tests showed that the marks on JBR's body matched identically with marks made from BR's train tracks. BTW BR had a train setup in his "Train Room" in the basement.

does anyone think the marks in other photos look the same? one I have in mind is where JB is wearing a red dress and the marks are on her lower leg?

 

[BOESP]

And I from early on and still believe John was the abuser and killer. He is far more likely to me than Burke!

And I still think Patsy did it. :truce:

 

[Matty29]

But there's this case from Colorado:



So it looks like it is perfectly legal in Colorado for them to say that a child under 10 killed someone. They just can't name the child or charge them.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/12/...tails-about-deadly-shooting-between-brothers/

I think PR and JR didn't want their son's name associated with murdering his sister because it made them look like bad parents and they would clearly do anything to avoid that, and would rather be seen by family, co-workers and friends as grieving parents (which they also were), other than "how could THEY raise a murderer, I thought there were good people."

 

[LinasK]

I think PR and JR didn't want their son's name associated with murdering his sister because it made them look like bad parents and they would clearly do anything to avoid that, and would rather be seen by family, co-workers and friends as grieving parents (which they also were), other than "how could THEY raise a murderer, I thought there were good people."

They'd still be in that situation if one of them was the murderer and molester. That's why they didn't call 911 to try to save her- it's all about appearances with Patsy.