***GRAPHIC*** The Missing Head

[Apple OC]

I think the police may be just as puzzled as we are about the latest development. I am only speculating here but, the police may also be scratching their heads about the 2 sneezes and the camera not moving on the video, maybe they have seen on the longer tape a glimpse of evidence other than the sneezes that indicates there may have been a second perp ... just nothing real conclusive.

Now they get a tip that confirms someone else has intimate knowledge about the murder. They do not want to tell the media any details about the tip because they are still working on where the tip came from and finally they don't want the tipster to think they know there is someone other than Luka they are now pursuing.

Finally I think it is possible whoever called the tip is the person who dumped the head ... thinking, this whole thing is getting too hot and is trying to distance themselves from Luka and the murder. I think Luka had found someone online with similar interests in this morbid behaviour or god forbid a ring of them. The cops are pretty good and know how to keep the media at bay ... I would not be suprised if they already had a suspect under surveillance watching to see if that person leads to anything else. I am almost expecting that we will be hearing of an arrest soon in regards to the discovery of the victim's head.

only speculation

 

[thedissent]

IA with your assessment if it's defined this way. I think where I may have confused and not explained myself is that I think he is disorganized because though he planned and planned, he left behind a trail of clues, a torso, a bunch of transparent clues he was the killer, kept using his own cell phone while on the run, and ultimately did not plan very well to get away with the crime (probably due to feelings of invincibility). So, organized? Yes, he planned, but did he plan well? Not really. I do suppose there's a chance he meant to do everything he did that left clues, but I don't think he meant to leave them to the extent that he would get caught, and so quickly at that.

Great post. This is as close of a statement to my views on LRM's execution of the crime, as any.

He certainly spent time planning the thing, and was organized enough to create YouTube videos, mail human remains to various places, and leave Canada before authorities were close enough on his trail.

But he was also very sloppy. So many mistakes, miscues, and missteps.

Fully agree he meant to leave clues to implicate himself, but never thought LE would catch up to him so soon. The trail of online clues-- from the YouTube videos implicating him to various anonymous statements about him being a "serial killer"-- was meant to foster an online "cat and mouse" game similar to For Great Justice's pursuit of him for the kitten killing videos; one that he could manipulate and influence and troll, as he did with animal rights activists tailing him.

Alas, it was traditional police work that got him, and got him fast. Much of it was possible because of his own missteps.

 

[OEJ]

I'm thankful the family does not have to go back home without all of their son. I can't imagine how horrifying that would have been.

 

[Sunday]

It seems as though some folks here believe that pleading not guilty means that he is stating he did not commit the crime. That is absolutely not true.

 

[HastingsChi]

So looks like I was totally wrong when I wrote in this thread that the two possibilities were: 1. The police already located it but didn't announce this info publicly 2. Magnotta had a secret storage unit.

I couldn't possibly have been more incorrect about this...

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[thedissent]

I'm still inclined to think that the head was reserved for proof or something. Perhaps he left it exactly where it was so that another could come along and confirm.

Y'all are trying to figure this out with logic and reason, and with normal minds. I still say that some crazy plot is going to come into light during the trial. Given Luka's sensationalist thinking I feel it's reasonable to believe that he intentionally got himself into something really shady and huge that will blow up later in the media and be his claim to fame. Think about it - something big enough to make it worth spending the rest of his life behind bars. Face it - he didn't have much to lose anyway. I don't think for a second that any of this is "personal" on his part.

There may be a surprise, but I doubt it. I feel that burying the head, was a means for LRM to maintain some control if he were caught by LE. That is, he thought he could use his knowledge of the whereabouts of Jun Lin's remains as a bargaining chip with prosecutors. Or, perhaps even more simply, to troll even more: to mock LE that he knows where Jun Lin's remains are, and nobody else.

Of course, we need to know more about the "anonymous tip" that led police to the park. That will give us more basis on which to reason, rather than just speculating.

If we never learn the identity of the tipster, and it doesn't become an issue at trial, then it's possible the tip came, anonymously, from LRM's legal team. LRM may have disclosed his knowledge about the location of Jun Lin's remains to his lawyers, and the legal team decided to disclose that information to police, but do so anonymously.

 

[HastingsChi]

It seems as though some folks here believe that pleading not guilty means that he is stating he did not commit the crime. That is absolutely not true.

How do you know, have you personally asked him about this and he said that to you?

While I don't know why he chose to enter this plea, I don't think he is innocent.

I do think he has something up his sleeve that he must feel confident about.



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[Sunday]

Great post. This is as close of a statement to my views on LRM's execution of the crime, as any.

He certainly spent time planning the thing, and was organized enough to create YouTube videos, mail human remains to various places, and leave Canada before authorities were close enough on his trail.

But he was also very sloppy. So many mistakes, miscues, and missteps.

Fully agree he meant to leave clues to implicate himself, but never thought LE would catch up to him so soon. The trail of online clues-- from the YouTube videos implicating him to various anonymous statements about him being a "serial killer"-- was meant to foster an online "cat and mouse" game similar to For Great Justice's pursuit of him for the kitten killing videos; one that he could manipulate and influence and troll, as he did with animal rights activists tailing him.

Alas, it was traditional police work that got him, and got him fast. Much of it was possible because of his own missteps.

Do you honestly believe that he really thought he would not get caught? If he didn't want to get caught he would have never committed the crime in his own apartment and certainly would not have left such a mess behind (right in the apartment). At most he thought he'd have had more time before his capture.

 

[Sunday]

How do you know, have you personally asked him about this and he said that to you?

While I don't know why he chose to enter this plea, I don't think he is innocent.

I do think he has something up his sleeve that he must feel confident about.



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I agree wholeheartedly.

And I never came close to implying that I knew his intentions. I simply stated with certainty that the presumption was untrue.

 

[HastingsChi]

There may be a surprise, but I doubt it. I feel that burying the head, was a means for LRM to maintain some control if he were caught by LE. That is, he thought he could use his knowledge of the whereabouts of Jun Lin's remains as a bargaining chip with prosecutors. Or, perhaps even more simply, to troll even more: to mock LE that he knows where Jun Lin's remains are, and nobody else.

Of course, we need to know more about the "anonymous tip" that led police to the park. That will give us more basis on which to reason, rather than just speculating.

Thedissent this is the second time I've noted you writing that the head was buried; Where did you learn this detail? I hadn't seen it previously reported.

Hope you are having a great Wednesday.




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[HastingsChi]

And I never came close to implying that I knew his intentions. I simply stated with certainty that the presumption was untrue.

I know, I was just adding a touch of snarkiness to today's posts Glad you picked up on the sarcasm and didn't give me the business in your reply... LOL




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[Karmady]

I don't mean to split hairs, but when he says "It was there for some time" that is not saying "It was there the whole time" so even she is not totally sure of the circumstances.

What you say is certainly true. But since she said "quite some time" and implicitly referred to its condition, I think it was probably there the "whole time."

I'm still going with my crazy fan page girl theory, i.e., lm put the head there and told her, and the nice police officers who came to visit her suggested that she might want to give them a hint about where it was. In which case the timing would be a coincidence based on her publicity.

OR, lm set up some way to get a "tip" to LE on the particular day remotely.

I think if it was a random finder there would have been more of a kerfuffle at the park.

And if it was someone with innocent knowledge from having witnessed lm in the park back in May, say, they probably would have come forward by now.

If it was someone who had known where it was all along, they wouldn't be just *randomly* be coming forward now, imo, without some motivation other than lm wanted them to.

I also don't think it's the lawyers. But that's probably because I can hardly believe that lawyers in Canada can basically *snitch* on their clients so long as they do it anonymously to LE. Not that I'm morally opposed to that. It's just so antithetical to US ethics rules I have a hard time imaging a lawyer operating under a similar system doing that. jmo

That said, anything is possible in crazytown!

 

[HastingsChi]

Do you honestly believe that he really thought he would not get caught? If he didn't want to get caught he would have never committed the crime in his own apartment and certainly would not have left such a mess behind (right in the apartment). At most he thought he'd have had more time before his capture.

In my opinion the answer to your question may be in information not yet made public: the content of the notes sent with the human remains.

If the content of the notes is benign then I'd turn my attention to the garbage that was not picked up. If the garbage men did their job, Magnotta could have had enough time to completely disappear (1-2 weeks before the remains were discovered in a landfill. Maybe up to a month before his apartment was checked due to unpaid rent).





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[Haunted82]

So where does this leave that initial report that SIX packages in total had been mailed? Only 4 ever were delivered. I believe that was from the first note to the conservative party. The only note where some of the contents were released. "six packages in total were mailed" "there will be more killings" . We're pretty sure he didn't get a chance to carry out the second part. Or, was the number 6 given as confusion like so many other twists and turns in this case?

 

[Sunday]

So where does this leave that initial report that SIX packages in total had been mailed? Only 4 ever were delivered. I believe that was from the first note to the conservative party. The only note where some of the contents were released. "six packages in total were mailed" "there will be more killings" . We're pretty sure he didn't get a chance to carry out the second part. Or, was the number 6 given as confusion like so many other twists and turns in this case?

I heard the 6 packages but never heard there'd be more killings. Do you have a link?

 

[HastingsChi]

Just watched the press availability with Montreal Police Spokesperson Anie Lemieux announcing that the human remains discovered in Angrignon Park were identified as Jun Lin.

Thought I'd share the following information that was revealed in her media availability:

- The police labs and coroners office first confirmed the remains were human and then DNA confirmed that they belonged to the victim in the 11th homicide better known as the Magnotta case.

- Police initially could not confirm by sight “exactly what it was”

- The victim has not yet been buried because the family wanted to wait in order to honor their son's memory the traditional, proper Chinese manner which is to bury the whole body.

- The victim's family has been notified by Major Crime Squad investigators.

Regarding the tip:
- Montreal Police Spokesperson Anie Lemieux could not have been quicker saying “No. Nope.” in response to a reporter asking for additional details about the tip (who it was from and how it was attained).

- The reporter then states “it was clear that they had a very, very precise location”. Spokesperson responds by stressing the importance of not revealing certain details as Montreal police does not want to “jeopardize whatever is left to be done in this case. The case will be going to Court and we don't want to jeopardize those legal procedures also”


Thoughts?

 

[Haunted82]

I heard the 6 packages but never heard there'd be more killings. Do you have a link?

Off hand, no, sorry. But I recall it stated inside the package was wrapped in a big red heart (like a bow -- not a real heart) and contained the reference to 6 packages, more killings, amongst other stuff they did not release.

 

[Sunday]

Off hand, no, sorry. But I recall it stated inside the package was wrapped in a big red heart (like a bow -- not a real heart) and contained the reference to 6 packages, more killings, amongst other stuff they did not release.

Ga! This is all good stuff I have never heard! Now you MUST find the link! I have not been able to dredge up a single word of what was in the notes aside from the 6 packages. And "packages" may not have meant mailed. I'm sure this is the 5th which was just deposited rather than mailed. But, yes, where and what is the 6th? At this point the only thing left is the dog, although I am sure LE may know what and where the 6th package is. I'm sure we only know a very small portion of the facts.

 

[Apple OC]

I heard the 6 packages but never heard there'd be more killings. Do you have a link?

although the exact wording of the note has not been released ... many news sources reported the note indicated the suspect warned he would kill again.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/note-with-severed-foot-warned-of-more-killings-1.833410#axzz1ywimWk4R

 

[Sunday]

although the exact wording of the note has not been released ... many news sources reported the note indicated the suspect warned he would kill again.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/note-with-severed-foot-warned-of-more-killings-1.833410#axzz1ywimWk4R

Thank you. I had not seen that. I wonder if it was just a threat or if he had something in mind?