Greece Greece - Ben Needham, 21 mos, Isle of Kos, 24 July 1991

  • #361
Heartbreaking :(
 
  • #362
Thanks for the update Greg, it was heartbreaking. I would venture a guess that there are several people on Kos who know exactly what happened that day and I am saddened, but not surprised, that they have not spoken out now.
The statute of limitations has long gone but clearly they are protecting family reputation and the overwhelming grief of Kerry and her family is being ignored by them.
I am angry on Kerry's behalf, that will not help her one iota, but it is the way I feel.

Karma will out - it always does.
 
  • #363
Dutch news: monday September 26, 2016. (This is my first post on the site, sorry for my croocked English)

On the Greek island of Kos, the police began a new investigation into the disappearance of British toddler in the summer of 1991. Ben Needham was 21 months old when he trace disappeared around the house that his parents were to grow.

British and Greek agents are now digging in an olive grove on the island. Police have recently engulfed new evidence, after a call to people on Kos to report if they had information about the disappearance of 25 years ago.

An important clue is that the boy is possible to have died during excavation work of a farmer. Possibly it was an accident, but the farmer has covered its body with sand to cover up the death of the boy.

After the death of the farmer got his friend to the police with a story from which this scenario, it can be seen. British police would not comment on whether this statement has led to initiating the study.

Forensic investigators from the British and Greek police are now trying to see the land where the farmer was at that time working on his excavator. All the earth emerges from the excavation, is screened.

Police have in 2012 already made excavation on Kos. That's when nothing materialized.
 
  • #364
So they found something a couple of days ago:

Det Insp Cousins said an item, found on Saturday close to an item dated to 1991, had been shown to the Needham family.
"It is our initial understanding that this item was in Ben's possession around the time he went missing," he said.
"The recovery of this item, and its location, further adds to my belief that material was removed from the farmhouse on or shortly after the day that Ben disappeared."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37676268
 
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  • #366
From the Mirror (which is apparently a newspaper Kerry trusts, her friend works for them and took the recent distressing photos which were published with Kerry's permission )

An item belonging to missing Ben Needham has been found by detectives searching for clues in Kos. They now firmly believe that Ben died in an accident at a farmhouse on the Greek island, police said. At an earth-shattering press conference at midday South Yorkshire Police said that they were in no doubt - after checking with his family - that the item belonged to the boy who vanished 25 years ago. They would not be drawn on what the item is - but said it had been located at "Site 2" during the 21-day search which drew to a close on the Greek island yesterday.

Detective Inspector Jon Cousins wouldn't be drawn on who had discovered the item - or what it was - only to say that it had been found at Site 2, one of the targeted areas which had been searched "based on information received". He added that Ben's family were informed - that they were in no doubt that the item was linked to the lad when he went missing - and that discussions needed to be had with Greek authorities as to "what further work would be done in the future".


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/detectives-find-item-belonging-ben-9061983

And the official FB page, lots of comments today https://www.facebook.com/helpfindben/
 
  • #367
Kerry has a long relationship with the mirror, she has given them a lot of exclusives over the years.

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  • #368
I wonder if the item found was one of his cars?

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  • #369
I wonder if the item found was one of his cars?

That's what I'm thinking. I reckon Kerry will do an interview when she's ready and we'll probably find out.

Now, how could Dino have moved Ben's body, in the minutes he had, while with workmates? There is confusion about whether Dino was still working or not, is this because he killed Ben and instantly took his body somewhere else? Did he leave suddenly? Remember, there was a (comparatively) cursory search done by the family before the police were called in some 3 hours later for more thorough searches. Working on the police assumption that this is how Ben died, where could Dino have put him? I think it's back to interviewing friends, family, colleagues and neighbours of Dino to see where he might have gone that afternoon.
 
  • #370
The digger driver could have gone back and removed the body to somewhere else.
 
  • #371
The digger driver could have gone back and removed the body to somewhere else.

Or found him a a later date when he cleared that rubble away.

Which was site 2, can anyone remember? If it's the one 750 metres (half a mile) away then it stands to reason Ben can't have left that item there himself, nor would a kidnapper leave it there. So it got from site 1 to site 2 somehow. If it was by accident and was just unknowingly moved in a pile of rubble, then Ben's body should be there too, and it's not. Therefore there has to be have been human intervention by somebody who was on either site that day. Ben has undoubtedly been moved and hidden elsewhere.

Votes for digging Dino's garden up?
 
  • #372
A further explanation from the Mirror:

Detective Inspector Jon Cousins, leading the investigation, would not be drawn on what the item is - but said it had been located at "Site 2" during the 21-day search which drew to a close on the Greek island yesterday. South Yorkshire Police are working on the theory that someone moved the item there from "Site 1" - the farmhouse where Ben was last seen playing.

DI Cousins added that when the item was shown to Ben's family "the reaction I got from them leads me to believe it was taken on or around the day he disappeared". He said: "In my professional opinion I believe an accident took place involving heavy machinery on the day Ben disappeared." Ben's family are now understood to have accepted that he died on the day he disappeared - in a "farming accident".
 
  • #373
I wonder if it is one of his sandals? :(
 
  • #374
Just catching up here and copying this DM article over. I never knew they had not traced the digger. I thought I read that they had reexamined it ?

British investigators are still searching for the JCB digger that they believe ran over and killed Ben.

DI Cousins told MailOnline: 'We have not been able to find Dinos' [Barkas] digger. The digger left the island six or seven years ago.

'It was taken to [Greek commercial port] Piraeus where there are over a dozen building plant firms.

'Dinos sold it in a part exchange for another newer digger. It would have been recommissioned and sold on. Even a 30 year old JCB digger is worth more than €30,000.

'We thought we had traced it to Egypt but it was not Dinos' digger. 'We are still looking for it.'




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...want-tear-Greek-island-search-son-closes.html
 
  • #375
I wonder if it is one of his sandals? :(

Just going to edit my comment here as I have now read the statement in full from DI Cousins and have changed my mind re the item being one of the sandals.

It does sound as though it was one of the cars that Ben was playing with that has been found.

I would think, if there was an accident, the sandals would still be on Ben's feet - or if, for some reason they had come off, then the person who killed him would have picked them up and removed them, along with his body.

But, they probably did not see the toy car or cars in all the rubble and had no idea that Ben had these in his hands. And they were removed, along with rubble, to site two.
 
  • #376
The digger driver could have gone back and removed the body to somewhere else.

Yes, I would think that is very likely. The last place I would expect him to bury a body would be at one of his regular dumping grounds. This is, of course, always supposing that is what happened.
 
  • #377
I'm glad they found at least one item. It must be something that a) endured for 25 years to be still recognizable, and b) that came off of Ben easily, so I guess a shoe or buckle of the shoe, or a toy.

How far away from the farmhouse is the ocean?

Now I understand why Kerry broke down. They are now pretty sure what happened. No hope anymore for Ben being alive somewhere. :(

I hope Kerry can now start to grieve properly and hopefully heal eventually and find happiness.
 
  • #378
I hadnt thought of the buckle Elainera. Very good point. That would be something the person who killed Ben would not notice or even if he did, would not be able to search for.

The sea/harbour is down the road from the farmhouse.

edited to add, looking at a map it seems to be very close - a few minutes at most.

Iraklis is on the eastern side of the island as far as I can make out.
 
  • #379
Closing statement from South Yorkshire Police on FB Live

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=south yorkshire police

Sounds damn sure they know exactly what happened and that Ben is dead, they just can't find his little body.

*goes off for a little sob*

I have been busy all day and had to go into town. I just took Mums dinner across and Calendar was on, live from Kos. I just caught the tail end and heard the reporter say "instead he didn't make it to 2 yrs old" I said to Mum, OMG have they found him? She said yes. (bear in mind she has issues from her stroke) Reading the updates she must have been mistaken.... I burst into tears and ran back home to come here.

:(
 
  • #380
I have been busy all day and had to go into town. I just took Mums dinner across and Calendar was on, live from Kos. I just caught the tail end and heard the reporter say "instead he didn't make it to 2 yrs old" I said to Mum, OMG have they found him? She said yes. (bear in mind she has issues from her stroke) Reading the updates she must have been mistaken.... I burst into tears and ran back home to come here.

:(

Awww bless ya Skibs. I've had a couple of blubbins sesh's about this today too. They have found something on the other site that they believe Ben had on his person when he went missing. We don't know what yet. But whatever it was not on the site nearest the farmhouse, it was hundreds of metres away on site 2. As his little body isn't there it seems someone has intervened. Dino's getting the rap. I hope one day we hear why his friend led the police to act so drastically in these searches. No stone unturned.
 

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