Greece Greece - Ben Needham, 21 mos, Isle of Kos, 24 July 1991

[furbabies]

they found a shoe of little bens as a digger was out there , YET they didnt carry on digging deeper to find a body ? let it go at the shoe? very strange indeed.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I don't think that's how it happened. Let's not make assumptions.

And this was the '90s. Children around the world played in their yards or neighborhoods, and there isn't anything wrong with that kind of lovely outdoors childhood. All of the blame goes to the evil abductors, not the parents nor grandparents.

 

[furbabies]

I don't think that's how it happened. Let's not make assumptions.

And this was the '90s. Children around the world played in their yards or neighborhoods, and there isn't anything wrong with that kind of lovely outdoors childhood. All of the blame goes to the evil abductors, not the parents nor grandparents.

but a shoe was found with the digger and they dug no further

 

[ChatteringBirds]

but a shoe was found with the digger and they dug no further

If so, I wonder why they didn't.

 

[Deleted member 339775]

I don't think that's how it happened. Let's not make assumptions.

And this was the '90s. Children around the world played in their yards or neighborhoods, and there isn't anything wrong with that kind of lovely outdoors childhood. All of the blame goes to the evil abductors, not the parents nor grandparents.

Absolutely not trying to apportion blame to any one other than the twisted people who took either of them. Bens grandparents obviously thought he’d be perfectly safe (no one else around, a quiet little area etc) and madeleines parents clearly thought she’d be safe in her bed (as she should have been) but these warped individuals had other ideas which is just terrifying

 

[Dave32]

I don't think they did stop searching when they found the shoe. They carried on but didn't find anything further, the theory being that Ben's body had been moved and the shoe left behind. At the time his mother was certain the shoe was Ben's. The blood on the shoe was sent for DNA testing but I can't find any mention of the results of this.

 

[Deleted member 339775]

I don't think they did stop searching when they found the shoe. They carried on but didn't find anything further, the theory being that Ben's body had been moved and the shoe left behind. At the time his mother was certain the shoe was Ben's. The blood on the shoe was sent for DNA testing but I can't find any mention of the results of this.

The ‘gossip’ in Greece at the time was that the search stopped once they found the shoe but I’m more than happy to be proved wrong on that because I really hope they wouldn’t just stop looking for him. I’m also not sure about the DNA results on the blood but I’m guessing either it wasn’t his (in which case you’d expect some press coverage) or it wasn’t inconclusive due to being too small a sample etc.

 

[INSP MORSE]

You never know. It's probably not him but you could have many of these and one might turn out to be Ben. I wonder how long Kerry will have to wait for the answer?

I don't believe the driver of the digger theory. The reason being it doesn't explain the missing shorts. If the driver of the digger accidentally killed ben then hed not going to go anywhere nearer the farmhouse to remove the shorts. I've recently read that the widow of the driver claims that the driver had noticed a car in the vicinity. Now some people might say that the driver made thus up as a distraction. But again I come back to the shorts. The driver if he had run over ben would never go anywhere nearer the farmhouse knowing the parents would come out at any moment whilst he takes the shorts.

I think we need to take the drivers widow seriously when she claimer that Dino, her husband the driver saw a car in the vicinity.

So my next question is what was the car what was the colour ? Was it white the same colour as the interpreters car (the needhams had an interpreter who denied any involvement in the disappearance. If not what was it?

If shorts did not go missing then yes it points to the digger driver. But shorts went missing?

 

[Deleted member 339775]

I don't believe the driver of the digger theory. The reason being it doesn't explain the missing shorts. If the driver of the digger accidentally killed ben then hed not going to go anywhere nearer the farmhouse to remove the shorts. I've recently read that the widow of the driver claims that the driver had noticed a car in the vicinity. Now some people might say that the driver made thus up as a distraction. But again I come back to the shorts. The driver if he had run over ben would never go anywhere nearer the farmhouse knowing the parents would come out at any moment whilst he takes the shorts.

I think we need to take the drivers widow seriously when she claimer that Dino, her husband the driver saw a car in the vicinity.

So my next question is what was the car what was the colour ? Was it white the same colour as the interpreters car (the needhams had an interpreter who denied any involvement in the disappearance. If not what was it?

If shorts did not go missing then yes it points to the digger driver. But shorts went missing?

I agree with you on this. I think the digger driver was just a convenient theory. The interpreter might be a better call imo

 

[Deleted member 339775]

Ooh UNLESS the digger driver WAS involved and then took the shorts continue looked as if he’d been taken. I’m fairly sure that isn’t the case but I’m just putting it out there

 

[Kiri]

Newly interested in this case and keeping an open mind after reading Kerry's book/watching docos. With regards the old lady neighbouring witness, she said she saw Stephen leave without Ben...Ben was playing by house. I assume this was in addition to Stephen leaving earlier to get fuel for the generator and the lunch provisions? I.e she didn't miss him leaving the final time with/without Ben following etc??
I feel it was likely Ben followed Stephen and then got hit by a vehicle, either Dino or someone else (not Stephen himself). But not dismissing abduction/other misadventure.
I see on Google earth there is now a quarry at top of hill? Just an observation. What a truly sad case this is. I had hoped the book would explain the missing shorts, but it didn't. Kerry's mum said Ben had an accident so she hung them to dry. While Kerry in the book says mum said Ben got them wet playing near the water trough/bucket, tipping water on himself. Neither shorts nor dinky toys found and they were not the 2 toy cars found in the dig.