Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, May 11, 2021

[Patrick Jane]

Many thanks for the translations by Patrick and Caylee. Have been following since the beginning, admittedly with many doubts and dark thoughts.

Is a camera's memory card card stored within the external camera or with home owner who installed the device?

It sounded to me like the card was stored within the external camera.

Here's a generic video of someone opening a camera to get to the SD card. I have no idea which specific camera was used in this case, but I'd imagine that the difficulty of accessing the SD card would be something like this:

(he opens the camera around 3:15)

 

[Patrick Jane]

And there was no mention in the reporting about backup storage to the cloud or to a hard drive (DVR). So the SD card would be the only recording.

 

[caylee17799]

I understand what you mean when you say that you think there's something more by his manner of speaking.

In an overall sense, to me it sounds like this reporter is saying:

(hold on, folks) because in the coming days we could have some significant developments which could potentially turn this case upside down (i.e. this is what I mean by an "overturning" in my previous post)

and then by asking all those questions, the reporter proceeds to lay out things which seemingly don't add up, without actually saying that they don't add up. But it seems like he's certainly implying it.

EXACTLY!!!! I couldn't agree more!

 

[Dotta]

New testimony from mysterious witness? Sounds interesting!

 

[Orgona]

New testimony from mysterious witness? Sounds interesting!

Interesting indeed.
This could be anything.
From knowledge of marital trouble or affair, even just some knowledge that one of them were friendly and shared information about their life’s with someone who is connected to some dangerous people.
Or testimonial about someone in the bank connected to someone “who is bad news”, who could have been sharing innocently or consciously info about who was withdrawing large amount of cash and when.

I can’t wait to hear what that witness told. Although I’m not sure we will know more than there is a mystery witness.

 

[mrjitty]

I would also add a question about the poor dog. Who would wrestle with a huskie and hang him?

As I said in very first posts in this thread - it seems very theatrical

 

[Dotta]

As I said in very first posts in this thread - it seems very theatrical

Overkill you might even say.

 

[Tortoise]

They should be checking the drains/sewers for those SD cards, IMO. Perhaps too late now, and a very expensive operation, but they have put up money for a reward.

The man seen out front was captured on footage (allegedly) at 5:30am. I speculate that he was removing the SD card and would have probably needed something to stand on to reach the camera and perform that operation.

image from Greece burglary murder: Woman's daughter was 'trying to wake her up' as police arrived | Daily Mail Online


Logic dictates that if he wasn't seen coming, or going, he got there from opening the front door, and then reentered the house. But, the report upthread (post #325) from the husband "they escaped, through the main door, at about 5.30-5.35 am." is interesting because it's the same time the gang exited.

MOO

 

[Kemug]

This is becoming more and more mysterious. But whatever happened, that poor poor young woman.

 

[Dotta]

And they say practising martial arts might save your life

 

[mrjitty]

Be interesting to look at the supposed entry point - whether that was definitely done from outside?

 

[caylee17799]

Έγκλημα στα Γλυκά Νερά: Νέα στοιχεία στις έρευνες - «Κλειδί» η κατάθεση της ψυχολόγου της Καρολάιν
Homicide profilers are investigating who could possibly have known about the money the couple withdrew to purchase the lot. They're also trying to read between the lines of what Caroline's psychologist* has told them, in order to get a better idea of the family's daily life and routine. They state that her testimony could shed some light on a couple of unknown aspects this case has. So far, the forensic evidence analysis and examination has produced poor results. Also, B will be called once more for questioning.

*Maybe the word "therapist" would be more appropriate in this case. However, since the article doesn't mention anything else about this person, and I believe this is the first time I've even heard of her existence, I had to go with the literal translation of the Greek word used-ψυχολογος- until we know more.

 

[Tortoise]

Be interesting to look at the supposed entry point - whether that was definitely done from outside?

Yes, there should be disturbances in the dirt and debris on the window ledge with so many men crawling through it. I can't figure out if that's finger print powder that's caused various areas of black residue, or just an accumulation of outdoor dust and dirt. I'm not sure where the aluminium window cover is that's been mentioned above, on either of the windows, it looks like wooden shutters.

picture from Greece burglary murder: Woman's daughter was 'trying to wake her up' as police arrived | Daily Mail Online

 

[Kaykedi]

Thanks to both Caylee and Patrick for your translation work, you’re both doing a fantastic job!!

I was just starting to think this probably was just a horrible robbery but now I’m suspicious all over again!
I definitely think there’s something wrong with B’s version of events, I’m wondering if he really passed out for 30 minutes…..maybe he wasn’t restrained like that until near the end?
It would make more sense if they were smothering her while demanding the money from him.

I’m also wondering how much of a fight Caroline could still have been putting up once her hands had been tied behind her back? I’m sure she did anything she could to protect her babe to start with, but it sounds like they had her under control before she was suffocated.

Are these cameras with the memory cards removed their security cameras? I assume so. So they took the memory cards but not the cameras? Or the other way around?

Does anyone pass out for 30 minutes? Would that not be classed as being unconscious? Sounds a bit odd, for want of a better term

 

[Dotta]

Έγκλημα στα Γλυκά Νερά: Νέα στοιχεία στις έρευνες - «Κλειδί» η κατάθεση της ψυχολόγου της Καρολάιν
Homicide profilers are investigating who could possibly have known about the money the couple withdrew to purchase the lot. They're also trying to read between the lines of what Caroline's psychologist* has told them, in order to get a better idea of the family's daily life and routine. They state that her testimony could shed some light on a couple of unknown aspects this case has. So far, the forensic evidence analysis and examination has produced poor results. Also, B will be called once more for questioning.

*Maybe the word "therapist" would be more appropriate in this case. However, since the article doesn't mention anything else about this person, and I believe this is the first time I've even heard of her existence, I had to go with the literal translation of the Greek word used-ψυχολογος- until we know more.

Therapist???? Curiouser and curiouser!!!

 

[jenn83]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the house is like a duplex, right? They are connected with separate doors. So how could the woman on the other side of the wall not hear all of them screaming and yelling? Seems impossible to me. Yet, she heard the dog barking but thought it was just barking at cats.

 

[Dotta]

Does anyone pass out for 30 minutes? Would that not be classed as being unconscious? Sounds a bit odd, for want of a better term

Besides, how can you be sure how much time passed when you are unconscious? I mean, after the operation under anestethic I never knew how long I was knocked out.

 

[Polly Graf]

Those windows look pretty easy to get into, I didn’t realise how close to the ground they were before, but is it really just lucky that they went straight to the one with a broken catch or did they already know that somehow?!

 

[meanmaryjean]

I just keep imagining all of your comments being read in Keith Morrison's voice.

 

[Tortoise]

Does anyone pass out for 30 minutes? Would that not be classed as being unconscious? Sounds a bit odd, for want of a better term

There was a case in South Africa (Henri van Breda) - parents murdered and sister attempted murder, with an axe. Henri sustained very light knife injuries, which were determined to be self-inflicted. He claimed it was a house invasion and he'd fallen down the stairs and blacked out for 2-3 hours before phoning police. The expert testimony, even from his own expert, was that it was very improbable to pass out for longer than seconds, unless there was a concussion brain injury which an MRI scan showed no evidence of. In this case I don't understand why BA passed out but then regained consciousness for at least 45 minutes, with the tape around his neck not being eased.