Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, May 11, 2021

[Patrick Jane]

I wonder if K is doing these media interviews as part of a strategy to speak to the killer, or if this is usual, in Greece, to reveal so much.

I may watch too much crime mystery TV, but it reminds most of Columbo. K seems to be playing a game with the murderer. K is trying to come up with answers to the many unanswered questions of the case hypothetically, but the answers he keeps coming up with are problematic. In the TV show at least, this game always ends with Columbo catching the murderer. I hope the same result happens here. MOO

 

[Lola68]

Also, I know there was a report a while back in one of the Greek papers that B was annoyed/angry and dismissive about the psychologist's testimony, but have we seen him show similar behaviour in any of his video interviews? (I've only seen the ones of him in the first 24 hours)

 

[Lola68]

I may watch too much crime TV, but it reminds most of Columbo. K seems to be playing a game with the murderer, and K's trying to come up with answers to the many unanswered questions of the case hypothetically, but the answers he keeps coming up with are problematic. In the TV show at least, this game always ends with Columbo catching the murderer. I hope the same result happens here. MOO

Totally agree! This is a deliberate tactic IMO - carefully timed release of information, much of which would have been known to LE within the first 24-48 hours

 

[Lola68]

The information K is releasing (perp(s) known to the dog, psychologist testimony important, looking for additional witnesses, widening the search to find out who might have known about the money) is essentially concluding that there was a personal connection to the victims. Possibly sending a message to the murderer(s) and/or hoping to elicit a confession - either through guilt or recognising that their time is almost up

 

[Winterbells]

This story just gets more and more upsetting.
And whoever killed CC and her dog sounds like a very angry and out of control person.

 

[Patrick Jane]

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that, in their opinion, the treatment of the dog was evidence of psychopathology.

I'm not an expert, but it suggests to me that the murderer has dark triad personality traits. MOO

Dark triad - Wikipedia

 

[Tortoise]

In a similar vein, I would have thought that robbers would want to place a glass window outside, say, leaning against the exterior. Leaving it in the middle of the basement room seems like a dumb place to leave it because you could accidentally step on it. What's the lighting like in the basement? I mean you're supposed to be frantically rummaging through boxes looking for money, and now you have to remember where the glass is so you don't step on it? JMO

Even if the window was carefully unscrewed to be as quiet as possible, (no force used apparently) the window would still be blocking the hole until the last screw was removed, therefore the first screws removed should be located (dropped) outside. I don't understand the care taken then to pick them up and take them inside. Or the care taken to bring a screwdriver for the job, but hoping to find bindings and tape in the house before the victims can react and phone police. Especially after the dog had woken up the neighbour while they dealt with it before proceeding upstairs.

MOO

 

[Winterbells]

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that, in their opinion, the treatment of the dog was evidence of psychopathology.

I'm not an expert, but it suggests to me that the murderer has dark triad personality traits. MOO

Dark triad - Wikipedia

wow, that's a lot of info to take in, but yes.

 

[Winterbells]

Even if the window was carefully unscrewed to be as quiet as possible, (no force used apparently) the window would still be blocking the hole until the last screw was removed, therefore the first screws removed should be located (dropped) outside. I don't understand the care taken then to pick them up and take them inside. Or the care taken to bring a screwdriver for the job, but hoping to find bindings and tape in the house before the victims can react and phone police. Especially after the dog had woken up the neighbour while they dealt with it before proceeding upstairs.

MOO

Plus, didn't LE say there was no evidence of screwdriver marks on the window? (I assume the outside of the window - not that I can comprehend that a window can be unscrewed, let alone from the outside, unless it's a doll's house).

 

[Tortoise]

Plus, didn't LE say there was no evidence of screwdriver marks on the window? (I assume the outside of the window - not that I can comprehend that a window can be unscrewed, let alone from the outside, unless it's a doll's house).

Yes they did, I think they might mean no screwdriver or tool damage on the frame, as you might expect one to be used like a jemmy to loosen it from the outside.

 

[Winterbells]

Yes they did, I think they might mean no screwdriver or tool damage on the frame, as you might expect one to be used like a jemmy to loosen it from the outside.

Ah, yes. Got you.

 

[Happygolucky123]

Did B include the dog in his statement? i.e. when did he realise he'd been killed and hung from the staircase? Did he discover this around the same time as realising CC was dead, after the police arrived? A dog so scared it defecates would surely have woken them up...

i wonder if there was a possibility of something like a taser uses on the dog? My pup once chewed through an electric blanket cord, yelped/cried and defected all over. He definitely didn’t bark when it happened...

 

[MrsWatson]

If they were having work done on the house, and the builders knew there was cash on hand, could they have passed that information along and conveniently left the window easy to access?

 

[Patrick Jane]

this is a media interview of two newspersons talking with a journalist, a criminologist, and Stavros Balaskas (LE who I've mentioned previously in the thread). I will refer to Balaskas as SB.

The journalist says that it's good that (LE) isn't saying too much, that they're continuing their research, and he thinks that very quickly there will be a result (in this case).
The newswoman asks SB if LE is close to a solution to the case and SB says "day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute, we (LE) are closer (to a solution). Unfortunately that's all I can tell you." He goes on to describe that LE is very close to a solution.
Later (around 9:00) SB and the criminologist discuss that it's very unusual for perpetrators to murder someone and then remain at the crime scene. Normally, perpetrators are in a state of panic after someone has been murdered and leave immediately. Yet here the (alleged) perpetrators remained after the murder for quite a long time.

/my summary and translation

 

[Winterbells]

this is a media interview of two newspersons talking with a journalist, a criminologist, and Stavros Balaskas (LE who I've mentioned previously in the thread). I will refer to Balaskas as SB.

The journalist says that it's good that (LE) isn't saying too much, that they're continuing their research, and he thinks that very quickly there will be a result (in this case).
the newswoman asks SB if LE is close to a solution to the case and SB says "day by day, hour by hour, second by second, we (LE) are closer (to a solution). Unfortunately that's all I can tell you." He goes on to describe that LE is very close to a solution.
Later (around 9:00) SB and the criminologist discuss that it's very unusual for perpetrators to murder someone and then remain at the crime scene. Normally, perpetrators are in a state of panic after someone has been murdered and leave immediately. Yet here the (alleged) perpetrators remained after the murder for quite a long time.

/my summary and translation

Yes. All in all, the perp/s seemed to feel very much at home in the property - like they knew where to find the parcel tape, the string, all the internal cameras... is it even being suggested they knew the dog?

 

[Patrick Jane]

Yes. All in all, the perp/s seemed to feel very much at home in the property - like they knew where to find the parcel tape, the string, all the internal cameras... is it even being suggested they knew the dog?

K said twice in one interview that the neighbor had described the dog sounds as (a word which translates as) grunting/growling/snarling. K didn't say barking.

So some of us here are making inferences from that; that if the dog didn't bark, then that would suggest that the dog knew the perpetrator. MOO

 

[Dotta]

K's latest media interview

He thinks this case will be solved. It's going to take time to look through all the CCTV (presumably the wider area referred to in my prior post). Speaking hypothetically on the window, he says maybe they (alleged perpetrators) had some kind of object which allowed them to kick the window out, so that it wound up inside. On the dog, he says to the newsman that he will tell him something (implying that this hasn't been previously disclosed to the public by LE), the environment/space was full of dog excrement, which means that the dog wasn't killed right away. The dog was pulled/dragged, and the dog, out of its fear, left behind this excrement. The dog was hanged on the interior staircase. He emphasizes once again that BA was tied with string. Regarding the electrical tape, he says, we've been calling it electrical tape, but, he says, if he's not mistaken, it was packaging tape. He describes the guns they (alleged perpetrators) used (per BA's statements) as a Glock and a silver revolver.

/my summary and translation

Monster! But remember monster that the long arm of the law will finally catch up with you! I believe in Justice - it always prevails.

 

[Dotta]

The information K is releasing (perp(s) known to the dog, psychologist testimony important, looking for additional witnesses, widening the search to find out who might have known about the money) is essentially concluding that there was a personal connection to the victims. Possibly sending a message to the murderer(s) and/or hoping to elicit a confession - either through guilt or recognising that their time is almost up

I wouldn't count on eliciting a confession. Only people with conscience face their sins. This monster's conscience? Clear - has never been used!

 

[Dotta]

Police have narrowed a list of suspects to 10.

 

[Dotta]

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