GUILTY Greece - Dr. Suzanne Eaton, 60, American, gone for a run, Crete, 2 Jul 2019 *ARREST* #2

[indicolite22]

His known prior criminal history also make him a perfect gun or car for hire.

He wasn't known for assaulting women before this case. Likely prior history has only started to come out. Hired hit is extremely unlikely IMO.

 

[indicolite22]

A Pole. A Lithuanian. And now, an American from Germany. All temporary visitors from the North. Why?

SE didn't look northern at all. None of those are considered "north". He would have no idea of their nationality. They were just convenient targets.

 

[Patrick Jane]

I also can't believe there is no CCTV footage of Suzanne leaving the hotel--walking or jogging.

It wasn't a hotel. It was the Orthodox Academy.
Apparently there is a CCTV in the other direction towards Kolymbari.

MOO

 

[Patrick Jane]

He wasn't known for assaulting women before this case. Likely prior history has only started to come out. Hired hit is extremely unlikely IMO.

BBM

All you have to do is listen to this perp speak to know that it would be hard for this perp to get a job slicing meat for souvlaki or pumping gas, let alone being a professional assassin.

MOO

 

[Handsome Sailor]

SE didn't look northern at all. None of those are considered "north". He would have no idea of their nationality. They were just convenient targets.

No, no, my friend, I think they were selected, carefully chosen, in fact, by the perp. His wife is Greek, his victims foreigners. There is some sick cathexis in his mind that accounts for this. moo

 

[Handsome Sailor]

BBM

All you have to do is listen to this perp speak to know that it would be hard for this perp to get a job slicing meat for souvlaki or pumping gas, let alone being a professional assassin.

MOO

Not speaking Greek myself, is it really that bad? It does seem like his pronunciation is slurred or not vocalized clearly. I am asking, because if true you are setting him up for a diminished capacity defense, and that seems contrary, very contrary in fact, to your earlier posts

 

[Patrick Jane]

No, no, my friend, I think they were selected, carefully chosen, in fact, by the perp. His wife is Greek, his victims foreigners. There is some sick cathexis in his mind that accounts for this. moo

No. As I've explained before, this can be explained rationally, as self-preservation.
There's not much to fear from the Greek judicial system. Ten years in jail? Fifteen years? After that, he'll be back on the streets.
But, let's suppose this perp killed a Cretan, instead of a tourist. Now he's subject to Cretan vigilante justice. In that scenario, there is much for the perp to fear, as he'll be most likely dead.
It's not rocket science.

MOO

 

[Patrick Jane]

Not speaking Greek myself, is it really that bad? It does seem like his pronunciation is slurred or not vocalized clearly. I am asking, because if true you are setting him up for a diminished capacity defense, and that seems contrary, very contrary in fact, to your earlier posts

Just because someone isn't the brightest bulb in the room, that does not mean they qualify for diminished capacity. And we know he was very smart in terms of his practical skills for fiendish purposes (refer to the YT video of him where he built his own handmade gun).

an abnormal mental condition that renders a person unable to form the specific intent necessary for the commission of a crime (as first-degree murder) but that does not amount to insanity

Legal Definition of DIMINISHED CAPACITY

I think this perp clearly formed the specific intent to rape and murder, and he even confessed to such.

MOO

ETA: The point I was making in the earlier post was that it's not plausible that anyone would trust this perp enough to hire him as a "hired gun."

 

[indicolite22]

No, no, my friend, I think they were selected, carefully chosen, in fact, by the perp. His wife is Greek, his victims foreigners. There is some sick cathexis in his mind that accounts for this. moo

It is much more likely that a woman jogging alone in the middle of the day would be a tourist.

 

[indicolite22]

According to the article at the link (quoting a communication with STAR), the perp's father now wants his son to be punished in accordance with the Greek law. When asked about it, he also apologized on behalf of his son.

The article is also quoting the perp, without revealing the source (automatic translation, I changed husband to wife): "I was afraid ... I was affected by dark forces that led me to bad thoughts. All things were done mechanically. I thought I would be arrested, I knew they would find the woman at the point where I threw it. I wanted as many days as to be with my wife and my children, because I knew I would not see them again"

Δολοφονία Suzanne Eaton: Ξέσπασε ο πατέρας του 27χρονου - Ζήτησε 'συγγνώμη' για το έγκλημα

I think he's lying about knowing that he would get caught.

 

[indicolite22]

In Suzanne Eaton's memory, a protest on the topic of violence against women is being organized by the Psychological Center of Chania for August 8 in Chania. An excerpt from the invitation (automatic translation, minor corrections):

What does it mean he "accidentally chose"? It means that in this woman's position it could be me, my mom, my sister, my girlfriend ... it could be your wife, your daughter, your sister, your mom .. it could be any innocent, unsuspecting and defenseless woman ...

Δολοφονία Αμερικανίδας βιολόγου: Η «συγγνώμη» από τον πατέρα του δολοφόνου

So the local women don't think they are safe, because of a perp "only targeting tourists".

 

[Handsome Sailor]

No. As I've explained before, this can be explained rationally, as self-preservation.
There's not much to fear from the Greek judicial system. Ten years in jail? Fifteen years? After that, he'll be back on the streets.
But, let's suppose this perp killed a Cretan, instead of a tourist. Now he's subject to Cretan vigilante justice. In that scenario, there is much for the perp to fear, as he'll be most likely dead.
It's not rocket science.

MOO

Wait a minute, didn't the killer say he didn't care about his own "miserable' life anyway? No, my friend, self-preservation is not top priority. It's more to do with Freudian psychology, perhaps the repression of a strict childhood, where tourists were enticing yet untouchable. It goes deeper, much deeper. But rest assured, it's a lot more complicated than you think. Cheerio!

 

[indicolite22]

*gasp*

Authorities are investigating at least seven other attacks on pedestrians reportedly involving a car similar to the one that struck Eaton, according to Greece’s state-owned broadcaster, Hellenic Broadcasting Corporation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ice-say/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2b9af5c850af

Not only are the authorities looking into prior similar cases where he could be the perpetrator, according to ERT Chania July 19 article (with video), he confessed to other incidents and pointed out 7-8 locations to the police where he remembered attacking other women. Another case involving the rape of an unconscious woman in Gerani, in which the perp hit her car, is also being investigated.

Προφυλακίστηκε ο δολοφόνος της Σούζαν Ίτον - Αυτοψία για άλλες επιθέσεις του δράστη (video) - ert.gr

 

[Patrick Jane]

Wait a minute, didn't the killer say he didn't care about his own "miserable' life anyway? No, my friend, self-preservation is not top priority. It's more to do with Freudian psychology, perhaps the repression of a strict childhood, where tourists were enticing yet untouchable. It goes deeper, much deeper. But rest assured, it's a lot more complicated than you think. Cheerio!

I never said self-preservation was his top priority. I realize it may be hard to understand for some people not used to things here. There is a line not to be crossed. Killing Cretans is that line. That would be signing his own death warrant.

Yes, it is complicated in the sense that he's a psychopath. But, just because he's a psychopath it doesn't mean he's not sometimes making rational decisions. In fact psychopaths can be quite cunning in how they manipulate and use "the system". That's why I'd be skeptical of many of the things he says now, as I'd think he'd be likely to game the system, and attempt to get the most lenient sentence possible.

MOO

 

[margarita25]

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[Patrick Jane]

In Suzanne Eaton's memory, a protest on the topic of violence against women is being organized by the Psychological Center of Chania for August 8 in Chania. An excerpt from the invitation (automatic translation, minor corrections):

What does it mean he "accidentally chose"? It means that in this woman's position it could be me, my mom, my sister, my girlfriend ... it could be your wife, your daughter, your sister, your mom .. it could be any innocent, unsuspecting and defenseless woman ...

Δολοφονία Αμερικανίδας βιολόγου: Η «συγγνώμη» από τον πατέρα του δολοφόνου

So the local women don't think they are safe, because of a perp "only targeting tourists".

I see it more as an attempt to get women in the protected class (Cretans) to feel empathy for a fellow woman in a nonprotected class (a tourist). JMO

ETA: and to raise awareness that violence against ANY woman (even someone who was not Cretan) is not acceptable. Greek women (in general) feel safe. When have they ever been targeted? Greek SKs go after foreign women or the marginalized in society (e.g. prostitutes).

 

[indicolite22]

I see it more as an attempt to get women in the protected class (Cretans) to feel empathy for a fellow woman in a nonprotected class (a tourist). JMO

ETA: and to raise awareness that violence against ANY woman (even someone who was not Cretan) is not acceptable. Greek women (in general) feel safe. When have they ever been targeted? Greek SKs go after foreign women or the marginalized in society (e.g. prostitutes).

How is a Greek woman, who finds herself alone with a homicidal maniac and/or a rapist, intent on harming a woman that day, protected? How about domestic violence?

 

[Patrick Jane]

How is a Greek woman, who finds herself alone with a homicidal maniac and/or a rapist, intent on harming a woman that day, protected? How about domestic violence?

I certainly agree with you on domestic violence.

As for this perp in particular, I think he, like many Greek SKs, was targeting foreign women.*

*To weaken my own argument, I think there was a report of a possible Greek victim among the 7 (or more) incidents. But, perhaps, this was by mistake, as the majority of women jogging in Crete are foreigners. JMO

Below, I've quoted a line from the Stratidakis letter which clarifies the point I'm tyring to make:

A Cretan historian and researcher has written a scathing letter published in a local paper here on this murder case.
This letter gives you more details in regard to the leniency which I was speaking of and trying to convey in some of my previous posts.
I've found an article in English, which contains some summaries and highlights from the letter.

"This is Not Our Crete... Our Society has Failed" | GreekReporter.com

Here are some brief excerpts:

The letter, which was sent to rethemnosnews.gr, has created an uproar in social media with the harsh truths it describes.

It is a letter of indignation over the heinous crime and the impunity with which it and other crimes have been committed on the Greek island.

Dr. Stratidakis cites several examples of delinquency, violence and criminal acts on Crete, events that in most cases are considered “normal” or even just as “traditional Cretan” behavior. Many of those go unpunished, he writes.

“In my own prefecture in Rethymno, the bodies of two immigrant women from Bulgaria are still missing over a year now. A casual search in the newspapers and on the internet shows that the problem with women, especially “unprotected” women, can no longer be hidden,” Stratidakis writes.

The entire letter (in Greek) is re-printed in this article linked below, and begins after the heading: Ολόκληρο το άρθρο του κ. Στρατιδάκη.
(I would have posted the direct link to the original letter in the Rethymos News paper but it doesn't seem that I can post here a website link which contains in the URL Greek language characters).

«Μήπως στην Κρήτη η ζωή παραέγινε φθηνή» - Το συγκλονιστικό άρθρο ενός Κρητικού για την δολοφονία της Σούζαν Ίτον

From the Stratidakis letter:

Ασφαλώς τις είχε επιλέξει κι εκείνες εξαιτίας της καταγωγής τους και της ανυπαρξίας «σογιού», που να μπορέσει αργότερα να ανακαλύψει την τύχη που είχαν και να απαιτήσει την τιμωρία του.

Of course he (the perp) had selected these woman on account of their origins and (because, as foreign women, there would be) the nonexistence of "relatives", who could, at a later time, discover (since they lived in Crete) they'd have the luck to exact his punishment.

(my translation only)

 

[Elainera]

How is a Greek woman, who finds herself alone with a homicidal maniac and/or a rapist, intent on harming a woman that day, protected?

Speculative: maybe they'd avoid walking alone on a remote road in the first place.

 

[indicolite22]

I certainly agree with you on domestic violence.

As for this perp in particular, I think he, like many Greek SKs, was targeting foreign women.*

*To weaken my own argument, I think there was a report of a possible Greek victim among the 7 (or more) incidents. But, perhaps, this was by mistake, as the majority of women jogging in Crete are foreigners. JMO

Below, I've quoted a line from the Stratidakis letter which clarifies the point I'm tyring to make:



From the Stratidakis letter:

Ασφαλώς τις είχε επιλέξει κι εκείνες εξαιτίας της καταγωγής τους και της ανυπαρξίας «σογιού», που να μπορέσει αργότερα να ανακαλύψει την τύχη που είχαν και να απαιτήσει την τιμωρία του.

Of course he (the perp) had selected these woman on account of their origins and (because, as foreign women, there would be) the nonexistence of "relatives", who could, at a later time, discover (since they lived in Crete) they'd have the luck to exact his punishment.

(my translation only)

Even if the past Greek serial killers (Many? How many were there?) targeted foreigners/tourists, there's no guarantee that the next one will. The perps might also be foreigners themselves.
Secondly, it doesn't help the victim after the fact if it turns out that she was attacked "by mistake".
IMO most perps don't believe they would get caught, so they don't factor in "revenge". It could be that tourists are just more exposed than local women.