Identified! Greece - LIVING 4 year old, with Roma couple, Oct'13 - #2

[Oblio]

Back to my thoughts on the first thread, I am disturbed by the recent developments. I'm still under the impression that they had multiple children in their possession with questionable documentation. Yet Maria, the fair skinned one of the bunch, is subject of this media frenzy. At this point, I do believe that they have found her bio mom, and I don't for a moment believe that she will be placed with her or the couple who had her. She will probably be adopted by another party. And the other kids? What's happening to them? Since they're assumed Roma, are they just allowed to blend back into the fold of the Roma community? And when Maria is shown to be Roma, what about her? Will they allow her to be Roma or not, because of her coloring?

 

[jjenny]

No, she had 14 children registered to her, but 10 are nowhere to be found. It's alleged they never existed and she was registering non-existing children to get welfare payments. The four children she did have included M. The other 3 could very well be her bio children, I haven't heard anything about them not matching her DNA.

 

[pieper4]

Are you judging by American standards?

Nope, I'm not. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6411141/US-authorities-strike-against-Mexican-drug-cartels.html, http://www.thejournal.ie/dissident-republican-seizure-dublin-988889-Jul2013/, http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/2012/12/16/churches-fail-to-reduce-gun-and-drug-violence-across-us-analyst/ ad nauseum.

If the photos related to this case are the sum total of the haul, to me this looks like stolen, found, or bartered merchandise. Old, possibly not functional guns, and random pilferage of a very small scale.

 

[pieper4]

Looks like Dad Roma "... also faces separate charges for allegedly possessing an illegal firearm and drug-related offences." http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/blond-angel-in-roma-child-trafficking-case-may-be-6-1.2128555

Same link states "Police allege the Roma woman claimed to have given birth to six children in less than 10 months, while 10 of the 14 children the couple had registered as their own are unaccounted for.

Already stereotyped

It is unclear whether the children exist or were made up to milk the Greek welfare system. Police say the two suspects received about 2,500 euros ($3,420) a month in subsidies from three different cities."

 

[Oblio]

No, she had 14 children registered to her, but 10 are nowhere to be found. It's alleged they never existed and she was registering non-existing children to get welfare payments. The four children she did have included M. The other 3 could very well be her bio children, I haven't heard anything about them not matching her DNA.

Whew. Now have they been tested?

 

[zwiebel]

I must say if that is the mother, M. had to be better off with the two who are now in custody. Members of the proposed bio family look like they haven't bathed in I don't know how long.

In fairness to the family, they may not have running/and or hot water. Their home/water/food is likely to be heated by a single, woodburning stove. It is probably more important for food to be cooked and the house to be kept warm, than to take baths.

Also....you can see with the photos of albino children elsewhere with their darker skinned siblings, the siblings look much 'cleaner'. All the Bulgarian children have skin scarring through sun exposure, imo, and that makes them look 'dirty'. Their clothes are worn and not newly washed, for certain. I'd suggest there is a catastrophic failure on behalf of the Bulgarian government to ensure all their citizens have access to hot water and electricity. Without those, feeding kids and keeping them warm becomes the priority. Not bathing.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Here's what they found.

There were apparently quite a few bags of those unidentified pills.

I have all sorts of pills in those stupid bubble wrap things,,,I have no idea what they are and have to toss em eventually, typically my doc gives me free samples.




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[Linda7NJ]

I have all sorts of pills in those stupid bubble wrap things,,,I have no idea what they are and have to toss em eventually, typically my doc gives me free samples.




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IMO I think you'd find worse in any public high school in the USA


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[zwiebel]

Here's what they found.

There were apparently quite a few bags of those unidentified pills.

Are those branch cutting tools supposed to be stolen, or weapons? I own one of them.

 

[modesty blaise]

lol is that the "cache" of drugs and weapons??

 

[heartland]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...seva-believed-Marias-mother-wants-Greece.html


A Bulgarian Roma woman believed to be the real mother of the ‘blonde angel’ found in a Greek gipsy camp declared yesterday: ‘I want her back.’

the Daily Mail can reveal that a woman of her name has twice previously been arrested for trying to sell babies in Greece – and on both occasions skipped bail.

I wonder if this is true?

 

[Wendy101]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Wow !! Is this marias family ??

So, were the other blonde children given to her too? Why is the one babies hair dyed? is that part of their culture?

 

[time]

Honestly to me, it's not looking at the "cache of drugs and weapons", it's the sum total including possibly stolen credit cards, illegal weapons, welfare fraud on a fairly large scale, fake documents, possibly buying a child, multiple stories and faking Maria's living situation (although I know they probably didn't do this themselves) and so on.

Although there is more...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/21/article-2470062-18E1A1C800000578-654_634x314.jpg

I think if the child is returned to anyone, it should be her own family (although I might change my mind if she WAS sold). I don't care how poor they look just that her DNA matches and the children don't seem to be abused.

 

[jjenny]

Not abused? Do you not see how filthy they are in the photos? She lives in one room home with no running water, and you think the child should be given to her? And then there is Mr. R who said he can't remember all his children names "because there are so many of them."

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I was disturbed by the video shown on HLN of the Roma family filming little M and the 'mother' gets peeved when a boy of approx 10 years comes up to her excitedly and she grabs him by the arm and pulls him and sends him flying out of view. (Can't link it because it shows minors).

 

[Linda7NJ]

So, were the other blonde children given to her too? Why is the one babies hair dyed? is that part of their culture?

That hair can be natural!

There's a fantastic interesting link ^^^up thread somewhere that explains that hair color.,,


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[Linda7NJ]

Not abused? Do you not see how filthy they are in the photos? She lives in one room home with no running water, and you think the child should be given to her? And then there is Mr. R who said he can't remember his children names "because there are so many of them."

Children all over the world live like that and worse.


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[jjenny]

Children all over the world live like that and worse.


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Then by all means, lets send the kid back there ASAP.

 

[jjenny]

In fairness to the family, they may not have running/and or hot water. Their home/water/food is likely to be heated by a single, woodburning stove. It is probably more important for food to be cooked and the house to be kept warm, than to take baths.

Also....you can see with the photos of albino children elsewhere with their darker skinned siblings, the siblings look much 'cleaner'. All the Bulgarian children have skin scarring through sun exposure, imo, and that makes them look 'dirty'. Their clothes are worn and not newly washed, for certain. I'd suggest there is a catastrophic failure on behalf of the Bulgarian government to ensure all their citizens have access to hot water and electricity. Without those, feeding kids and keeping them warm becomes the priority. Not bathing.

If you got to the point that you can't remember your children's names because there are so many of them (like Mr. R quoted in the article above), and you live in one room house with no running water, maybe, just maybe, it's a good idea to stop having them.

 

[time]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...seva-believed-Marias-mother-wants-Greece.html


A Bulgarian Roma woman believed to be the real mother of the ‘blonde angel’ found in a Greek gipsy camp declared yesterday: ‘I want her back.’

the Daily Mail can reveal that a woman of her name has twice previously been arrested for trying to sell babies in Greece – and on both occasions skipped bail.

I wonder if this is true?

Ok, I might change my mind about returning her to her 'real' given whatever the heck is going on.

I have concerns about claims Maria is 4, but we will see. I think it's difficult still to know what is true with any of the people and with the media.

And, the mom makes it sound like there was an agreement just to keep her for a while, no keep her. DIK

‘I missed Maria but I don’t have any money so I did not know what to do. I called the woman several times and I knew she was safe and well. I don’t know why she kept her so long, why they did not send her back to me.