Identified! Greece - LIVING 4 year old, with Roma couple, Oct'13 - #2

[jjenny]

"She explained: “I have many children. I sold some, I gave some away. I was too poor. I don’t know if she is one of them."

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/greece-girl-marias-mother-many-2528690

 

[jjenny]

That hair can be natural!

There's a fantastic interesting link ^^^up thread somewhere that explains that hair color.,,


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It's not natural. You can clearly see the older girl has her hair died red with blond roots showing.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's not natural. You can clearly see the older girl has her hair died red with blond roots showing.

So.... Because the older girl dyes her hair, that means the little one did too? That logic is lost on me.

Especially considering the educational link posted up thread that details that amazing color on that little child and how rare it is and all about albino types & hair.



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[Linda7NJ]

Then by all means, lets send the kid back there ASAP.

What do you suggest for the multi millions of children that live like that? Take them all away from their parents? she's Roma and IMO that needs to be respected.



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[jjenny]

So.... Because the older girl dyes her hair, that means the little one did too? That logic is lost on me.

Especially considering the educational link posted up thread that details that amazing color on that little child and how rare it is and all about albino types & hair.



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So, one child in the family has hair died red. But it's out of the question that the other child could have hair died red as well.

 

[jjenny]

What do you suggest for the multi millions of children that live like that? Take them all away from their parents? she's Roma and IMO that needs to be respected.



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This woman already gave the child away (and admits to either selling or giving other children away).
So there is no need to take the child from her parents.
She already has been given up.

 

[IAMME]

Question....
If Maria was born in January of 2009

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...they-may-be-parents-of-maria/article15045738/

And Bio mom was in Greece to pick olives, and gave her away at 7 months of age... so july-August....

Then wouldn't she have left BEFORE olive harvest time....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive#Fruit_harvest_and_processing

 

[Linda7NJ]

This woman already gave the child away (and admits to either selling or giving other children away).
So there is no need to take the child from her parents.
She already has been given up.

I thought you were concerned about her other children. My mistake.


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[Linda7NJ]

So, one child in the family has hair died red. But it's out of the question that the other child could have hair died red as well.

Look ^^^ I said it CAN be.


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[jjenny]

Question....
If Maria was born in January of 2009

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...they-may-be-parents-of-maria/article15045738/

And Bio mom was in Greece to pick olives, and gave her away at 7 months of age... so july-August....

Then wouldn't she have left BEFORE olive harvest time....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive#Fruit_harvest_and_processing

And "adoptive" parents claim they adopted her when she was a few weeks old.

 

[txsvicki]

If Maria turns out to be Roma I don't see why a wealthier leader couldn't legally adopt her. That way she'd have care and stay with her people.

 

[Curious Me]

I've been thinking about Maria's identity and how a hospital birth and documentation is suppose to be proof of id. Then, I read this story. Just have to share this with you.

What if you go home from the hospital with a baby that doesn't feel like your baby?

New moms find out hospital where they gave birth made major mistake
http://now.msn.com/veronica-tejada-...-find-out-their-babies-were-switched-at-birth

 

[pieper4]

Lies upon lies. Unreal. ET tone down.
I guess I just can't fathom why none of these people seems to even know how old this child is. I sincerely believe babies are being sold here. Birth control seems non-existent, scams and conning seem to be somewhat ingrained in the culture. Do I believe they have malice for the child/children? No. I believe they are just trying to survive and avoid deeper poverty. Yet Mom and Dad Roma seem to have had adequate income levels, even by US standards, through scamming aid benefits. Maybe they weren't sending the kids out to beg? Unless it was somehow required to remain in standing within their encampment (ie -that money was going into community coffers).

I know many US families of Dominican heritage who birth a child then sign it over to another family member to be raised at baptism. They may well offer tax benefits or other incentives, or maybe the 'new' parents can claim state/federal aid. I don't know. The child remains in the family, and is often raised communally by other branches of the 'new parents'' family. The natural parents DO see the child, but from living among these families, I can say these children grow up with a very skewed understanding of their place within either set of families and often had emotional issues when re-integrated (usually around high school).

I hate to see filthy, hungry, poorly sheltered kids. But I know that's a reality in much of the world. And we can't fix every corner of the planet to coincide with our own cultural norms. :sigh:

 

[mrsward]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...seva-believed-Marias-mother-wants-Greece.html


Marias bio mum has been arrested twice before for trying to sell babies..

My god lady there not puppies.. stop breeding !!!

She wants her back
I spose now shes famous she'll be a nice little money earner.

Sorry if i speak out of term there but i have no sympathy to anyone who carries on having children for the sake of gaining a few bucks

 

[lisser]

Wow!

I kind of had a feeling all along that she wasn't abducted randomly. I was on the fence whether or not she was sold or just handed off. Leaning towards sold still.

If it turns out that she is biologically Roma, I wonder if they will return her to the people who had been raising her, or if they will return her to the bio parents. Seems like she would better off where she was in the first place.

 

[dotr]

This sort of thing seems to have been a problem for a while now, wondering if they are keeping eyes open for the boys too.
From 2006
bbm.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/18/world/europe/18iht-babies.3939121.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"But most prospective baby buyers are Greek. With birth rates in Greece the lowest among the original 15 European Union member states — 1.29 children per woman, according to EU statistics — adoptions here are steadily increasing. But, faced with six-year waiting lists at state adoption institutions, 9 out of 10 prospective adoptive parents prefer to sign a private agreement with a natural mother willing to hand over her infant, Greek statistics show.

This is perfectly legal in principle, the police and legal experts say. But the absence of state control over private adoptions is helping profit-seeking mediators, including doctors and lawyers, to hijack some of these transactions, the experts say.

"There are no illegal adoptions under Greek law, so illicit networks have plenty of room for maneuver," said Eleni Glegle, legal adviser to the Pendeli Children's Hospital in Athens, one of just four state adoption institutions in Greece.

The police say that babies are being sold — mainly in Athens, northern and central Greece and the island of Crete — for up to $33,000, with male blue- eyed infants fetching the highest prices. According to Bulgarian officials, most of the mothers are from Roma, or Gypsy, settlements in Bulgaria and are paid about $4,000 for relinquishing their infants."

 

[pieper4]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...seva-believed-Marias-mother-wants-Greece.html


Marias bio mum has been arrested twice before for trying to sell babies..

Snip by me.

I think this is a little misleading. The actual text pertaining to this claim reads "Daily Mail can reveal a woman sharing her name has twice been arrested for trying to sell babies in Greece - and skipped bail both times" (BBM). Whether it was alleged Bio Roma Mom or not hasn't yet been determined that I can find/see?

 

[jjenny]

Snip by me.

I think this is a little misleading. The actual text pertaining to this claim reads "Daily Mail can reveal a woman sharing her name has twice been arrested for trying to sell babies in Greece - and skipped bail both times" (BBM). Whether it was Bio Roma Mom or not hasn't yet been determined that I can find/see?

They haven't finished DNA testing yet. So it should be a potential biomom at this point.

 

[jjenny]

Wow!

I kind of had a feeling all along that she wasn't abducted randomly. I was on the fence whether or not she was sold or just handed off. Leaning towards sold still.

If it turns out that she is biologically Roma, I wonder if they will return her to the people who had been raising her, or if they will return her to the bio parents. Seems like she would better off where she was in the first place.

Why in the world would they return her to either? It wasn't a legal adoption and the proposed bio mom admits to giving her up (well, that's what she admits to with M, but she also reportedly admitted she sold some of her other children).

 

[greenpalm]

Why in the world would they return her to either? It wasn't a legal adoption and the proposed bio mom admits to giving her up (well, that's what she admits to with M, but she also reportedly admitted she sold some of her other children).

Because they raised her as their child and they are the only family she has ever known and it would be horribly cruel and unnecessarily disruptive to uproot her and remove her from the only home she's ever had and assume that we are superior and know what is best for her.