GUILTY - Sidney Moorer RETRIAL for Kidnapping Heather Elvis, 9 Sept 2019 #4

[kaen]

Regarding what Donald saw on the phone: had he ever described what he saw to any law enforcement? Maybe a clue as to where Heather may be, but what happened to her? Or is it because there is no hard evidence, it can't be investigated on? I wonder how much Nancy knows about the picture he saw ...

I believe it is implied that he did describe the photo but it can not be entered into evidence based on hearsay. He can't produce the photo. The LEO can't produce it. So, he can say what he saw and how he saw it but he can't say what SM said or describe the photo. Hence the question of "In your opinion, did it look like Heather Elvis would ever come home to her family?" and his answer of no implies she is deceased in the photo without saying she appeared deceased.

 

[ohiobuckeyegirl]

Also, I've been looking back over timelines. I am wondering if SM went to HE apartment with the pregnancy test. She stopped all social media postings for a while, could have been while he was there. I wish there was surveillance in her parking lot. After that, I'm confused. Could SM have asked her to go someplace after the test, and TM was there waiting? At first I really thought Heather was frantically calling him during those 3:38-3:41 am calls from PTL- I was afraid that TM had shown up and Heather panicked trying to get ahold of SM. I no longer believe that. I now think she didn't have control of her phone long before any of that happened. Right now, I think she didn't have control of her phone shortly after 2am. I am inclined to believe that many of the later payphone calls may have actually been from SM to TM. Like TM was waiting for the results of the pregnancy test. I don't know, I go back and forth though.

I had always thought in the beginning that he called HE from the payphone because he really was leaving TM. I had thought maybe TM went out and followed him or something. Could that be why the sd card was removed? So TM couldn't track him. Maybe TM used PC's car and that's where that whole mom hit a deer that same night came in? I just don't know. I do know, if he had nothing to do with what happened to HE, he should have told the truth when he had so many opportunities to do so. Maybe in his dumb mind, he thought TM wouldn't get convicted and he surely wouldn't since he was actually innocent. I don't think we will ever know. This guy, along with everyone else in that bunch, do not know how to tell the truth and they're finally starting to pay for it. I'm wondering. If somehow he won an appeal for a new trial, if he would give it all up blaming TM for everything? I think he would after seeing how broken he was those last few moments before being walked out.

 

[LanieCoz]

I had always thought in the beginning that he called HE from the payphone because he really was leaving TM. I had thought maybe TM went out and followed him or something. Could that be why the sd card was removed? So TM couldn't track him. Maybe TM used PC's car and that's where that whole mom hit a deer that same night came in? I just don't know. I do know, if he had nothing to do with what happened to HE, he should have told the truth when he had so many opportunities to do so. Maybe in his dumb mind, he thought TM wouldn't get convicted and he surely wouldn't since he was actually innocent. I don't think we will ever know. This guy, along with everyone else in that bunch, do not know how to tell the truth and they're finally starting to pay for it. I'm wondering. If somehow he won an appeal for a new trial, if he would give it all up blaming TM for everything? I think he would after seeing how broken he was those last few moments before being walked out.

My husband mentioned this scenario to me this evening regarding him removing the card to prevent her from tracking him. Could be plausible, but if so then I would think he would have cared enough about Heather to let the truth be known. At that point he would have nothing to hide, but his action since have conveyed otherwise.

Was it stated that her mom's car/deer accident was the same night HE went missing?

 

[Jewels53]

Law Enforcement and the Solicitor's office surely know what Donald saw on that phone. However, the state was not allowed to have Donald say so in court to the jury. Probably because she was dead in the photo but Donald couldn't say she was dead. SM wasn't charged with murder (at this time), so they had to delicately tiptoe around with questions that hint at things but not outright say.

THIS has driven me crazy. I want to know exactly what Donald saw, every detail.

I think you are exactly right. Without Murder charges right in front of the jury they don't want to bring up dead yet. I am also curious what was in the picture.

 

[bestill]

I'm on that actually believes SM doesn't know where she is. I think TM's father did that dirty deed and either didn't tell TM and SM so they couldn't be 'caught' in a lie detector..... OR TM knew not to tell SM because he'd give it up. I can totally see that happening. And something to still hold over his head. She has to maintain control.... that is the ultimate. A threat of sending police to a certain area if he does anything 'wrong.

I had always thought in the beginning that he called HE from the payphone because he really was leaving TM. I had thought maybe TM went out and followed him or something. Could that be why the sd card was removed? So TM couldn't track him. Maybe TM used PC's car and that's where that whole mom hit a deer that same night came in? I just don't know. I do know, if he had nothing to do with what happened to HE, he should have told the truth when he had so many opportunities to do so. Maybe in his dumb mind, he thought TM wouldn't get convicted and he surely wouldn't since he was actually innocent. I don't think we will ever know. This guy, along with everyone else in that bunch, do not know how to tell the truth and they're finally starting to pay for it. I'm wondering. If somehow he won an appeal for a new trial, if he would give it all up blaming TM for everything? I think he would after seeing how broken he was those last few moments before being walked out.

My husband mentioned this scenario to me this evening regarding him removing the card to prevent her from tracking him. Could be plausible, but if so then I would think he would have cared enough about Heather to let the truth be known. At that point he would have nothing to hide, but his action since have conveyed otherwise.

Was it stated that her mom's car/deer accident was the same night HE went missing?

I wanted to believe for the longest time that he wasn't as involved as TM, I thought maybe TM and AC caught him with Heather at her condo for a while. But after all we've heard over the last few trials I think SM is deeply involved and will never tell the truth - the C's either have incriminating evidence against him or he simply never cared about Heather and she was used. I don't think we'll ever know.

 

[iamthewalrus]

What in the heck could the Caisons have on Sid that keeps him from talking??? Basically they are both in for life or hopefully into their 70s. Their kids are going to have this burden on them the rest of their lives. Everyone is positive they killed Heather, so what is his silence buying them??? Nothing really. You wouldn't think he would care what that plus sized monster he is married to thinks. Its time to save his own skin. You have to figure all their money is gone on lawyers. The kids will be farmed out to various Caisons. They will be grown and married with kids of their own and Grandma Tammy and Grandpa Sid will be in the pen. Surely the entire worth of their past lives will be liquidated. Polly will be long gone before Sid and the Nightmare are free again. Their life is gone forever, so what in the heck is he accomplishing with silence. Is he afraid of the death penalty?? If he would tell where her body is I bet he could get life instead. Maybe he will awaken and spill it.

 

[TTF14]

Can someone get a new trial (appeal) if they agree to provide evidence against their co-conspirator for a lighter sentence?

 

[Kakidoll]

See I think SM truly cared for HE in the beginning and that is why TM so totally flipped out. I think she read the texts between them and that's how she found out. At that point Sidney had to say and do anything to appease the Mrs. The fact that Heather went to meet him after all was said and done, she probably had hope. I think if there was any way for sm to get away from tm he would have in a heartbeat. But she had a family that would do anything for her, and kids that she could use.... He was too much of a wuss to defy her once found out.

I wish he'd just admit the whole truth, but he's still trying to live the facade that he's a man instead of a mouse.... And not the Disney kind.

 

[Tillicum]

I wanted to believe for the longest time that he wasn't as involved as TM, I thought maybe TM and AC caught him with Heather at her condo for a while. But after all we've heard over the last few trials I think SM is deeply involved and will never tell the truth - the C's either have incriminating evidence against him or he simply never cared about Heather and she was used. I don't think we'll ever know.

If TM and AC caught them together, how could TM hurt them the most?

What would hurt Heather the most and give TM the most satisfaction?

What would hurt SM the most and give TM the most satisfaction?

TM killing Heather or TM holding a gun on SM and forcing him to kill Heather?

IMO this would be TM's ultimate revenge and control.

 

[ohiobuckeyegirl]

I have been wondering this myself. Have also been wondering if the Elvis family was ever provided the details of what he claims to have seen.

I feel like NL or someone else probably told them she wasn't coming back. So sad.

 

[bestill]

They know she's gone, we heard Morgan plea for them to have a funeral and a way to say good bye...

 

[ohiobuckeyegirl]

My husband mentioned this scenario to me this evening regarding him removing the card to prevent her from tracking him. Could be plausible, but if so then I would think he would have cared enough about Heather to let the truth be known. At that point he would have nothing to hide, but his action since have conveyed otherwise.

Was it stated that her mom's car/deer accident was the same night HE went missing?[/QUOTE

My husband mentioned this scenario to me this evening regarding him removing the card to prevent her from tracking him. Could be plausible, but if so then I would think he would have cared enough about Heather to let the truth be known. At that point he would have nothing to hide, but his action since have conveyed otherwise.

Was it stated that her mom's car/deer accident was the same night HE went missing?

Well, looking back at TM's FB posts again the other night, she had posted her moms car was totaled- hit a deer, they were watching Home Alone and that it was going to be a long night with the schoolwork-writing samples by the kids were due. All in the evening of Dec 17 in less than an hours time. There is a post later on at 3:31 that says bi-lo is having triple coupons next day. Really same day by then. If I'm not mistaken, these posts and some others posted into the 18th were the ones that had the times changed on them. I believe these posts were made to create alibis. I have no idea how these people could do so many things in a few hours time.

 

[New2MB]

I had always thought in the beginning that he called HE from the payphone because he really was leaving TM. I had thought maybe TM went out and followed him or something. Could that be why the sd card was removed? So TM couldn't track him. Maybe TM used PC's car and that's where that whole mom hit a deer that same night came in? I just don't know. I do know, if he had nothing to do with what happened to HE, he should have told the truth when he had so many opportunities to do so. Maybe in his dumb mind, he thought TM wouldn't get convicted and he surely wouldn't since he was actually innocent. I don't think we will ever know. This guy, along with everyone else in that bunch, do not know how to tell the truth and they're finally starting to pay for it. I'm wondering. If somehow he won an appeal for a new trial, if he would give it all up blaming TM for everything? I think he would after seeing how broken he was those last few moments before being walked out.

YES- I thought so too- but then the sd card threw me for a loop. I also thought the part about the other car hitting the deer. I wondered if they were in separate cars during all that time.

 

[bestill]

Elvis family
https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/n...2F0IvAeWx9u8Chx14IYxoBS9-LNYVuWrg1C3rn9FYb3YU

 

[dixiegirl1035]

so are the gag orders lifted now???? no more trials set. Are we going to see some new posts by family?

It's my understanding that we never learned what the photograph the cousin saw described. Was that due to sensitivities, or was the gag order on that due to some type of hearsay rule.

 

[jillycat]

I agree completely on all points. It's what I've always believed from the beginning.

I've had a DIL for over 20 years who is exactly like TM.

Me too.

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

Let's make sure that we are all sensitive to the facts that we've all learned...in light of the fact that Heather's Dad has been on here and posted the other evening. I certainly don't want to be responsible for causing him any further pain by speculating on details of that photo.

 

[Dontknow?]

Was it completely impossible for the judge to sentence SM to 60 years? He could have used that like Mrs. E said to get him to tell where Heather is. Shame on Judge Dennis if it wasn't impossible to do or try. I really don't know but assumed it could be possible.

Life vs. a plea deal for 25 or 20 years for Heather's location?

Terribly sad even with a guilty verdict. SM "can't"...

 

[Richmond]

I am just able to get here to say anything. Between work and the site being SO slow, and coming on when I had short breaks, I missed a lot. I tuned in when Terry was speaking to the judge and then it cut off. I didn't get to hear Heather's mom and sister speak. I heard the sentencing. I saw the Elvis family leave the courtroom with very heavy hearts, and my heart went out to them, because they still don't have Heather. How can a victory feel like a letdown at the same time?

Thanks to all of you wonderful people who have been here since Dec. 2013 unfailingly advocating, sleuthing, fighting, searching for Heather. I am in awe of your research, internet, and going-down-rabbit-hole expertise. If I am ever lost, I hope my dear ones will come here for help to find me. I have only one dear daughter, and if she ever were missing, you all are the ones I would seek for help and for solace, for your unceasing advocacy for the ones who go missing in this world. <3

 

[Justice-seeker]

I may not be in the vast majority, but I firmly believe it was Heather who drove to PTL with the intent to meet up with Sidney. They attempted to hide Sidney's contact with her by using a payphone, why would they undo that effort to call his cell phone from hers? That only implicates him further. IMO, Heather was in control of her phone until it powered off that morning.

That makes sense, but what got me was that she tries the pay phone all night. Then his phone powers on and suddenly she’s calling his cell phone?
I’m thinking back to being a young girl and if I was trying to get in touch with someone I would be trying any means available. If she thought he left TM and TM has control of his phone she wasn’t going to call it. She most likely thought that the pay phone was a new number for SM.
I feel like that call to his cell phone was planned in advance. Like call my phone after 3am, after it’s done so it pings at the house. It was one of them calling the other to say come get me.
They could just say see she kept calling,,,
IMO