Haleigh's Bus Stop

[atherella]

I am sticking with RC picking up HaLeigh from the bus stop. MC never made that claim. TN didn't make that claim, if you listen to the tape you will note that she is answering a question of who would pick HaLeigh up at the bus stop and she goes on to list people who would pick her up. Sometimes she did, sometimes it was grandma, RC, etc. She was not talking about the Monday in question, but referencing the history.

RC stated he picked her up, NO ONE has come forward to say otherwise, unless you count internet rumors or AH who is not a credible source for anything and I dismiss what he reports out of hand.

I agree.

On the March 3rd showing of Prime News (with Mike Galanos) Captain Schauland stated the Ron picked up HaLeigh at the bus stop. I imagine after nearly a month of HaLeigh being missing LE would know who picked her up at the bus stop.

LE states precious little. When they speak - I listen & trust what they state way more than I trust what internet rumors and AH's "anonymous" sources say.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Well I think there is embellishment, and problems with eyewitness testimony are not new.

I don't think MC, RC or TN lied about Ronald picking her up, jmo.

Just curious, but why do you assume that there was embellishments or problems with these particular eyewitness accountings. Any basis for feeling that way.....or do you just believe that Ron wouldn't possibly lie about it instead?

 

[DotsEyes]

I agree.

On the March 3rd showing of Prime News (with Mike Galanos) Captain Schauland stated the Ron picked up HaLeigh at the bus stop. I imagine after nearly a month of HaLeigh being missing LE would know who picked her up at the bus stop.

LE states precious little. When they speak - I listen & trust what they state way more than I trust what internet rumors and AH's "anonymous" sources say.

Ahhhh. You are a breath of fresh air. So, we have one FACT.

Ron picked up his daughter from the school bus stop.

Can we put this one on a sticky as "Things we know are true."? LOL J/K.

 

[Donjeta]

I agree.

On the March 3rd showing of Prime News (with Mike Galanos) Captain Schauland stated the Ron picked up HaLeigh at the bus stop. I imagine after nearly a month of HaLeigh being missing LE would know who picked her up at the bus stop.

LE states precious little. When they speak - I listen & trust what they state way more than I trust what internet rumors and AH's "anonymous" sources say.

Not to disagree with you but AH does identify at least some of his sources for the claim. He names J.S. and his girlfriend (whose name he doesn't say but I presume locals would know).

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I agree.

On the March 3rd showing of Prime News (with Mike Galanos) Captain Schauland stated the Ron picked up HaLeigh at the bus stop. I imagine after nearly a month of HaLeigh being missing LE would know who picked her up at the bus stop.

LE states precious little. When they speak - I listen & trust what they state way more than I trust what internet rumors and AH's "anonymous" sources say.

Do you have a link, please ?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Not to disagree with you but AH does identify at least some of his sources for the claim. He names J.S and his girlfriend (whose name he doesn't say but I presume locals would know).

AH is not LE and he does not have any access to their information. He makes himself and sources appear to be more credible than they are much of the time, imo.

There is no reason for LE to state it as a fact if they have not determined it to be true.

IN MY OPINION, it is a non-issue in this case unless someone other than the people designated to pick her up from her bus stop showed up and left with her. LE has stated she was accounted for after she returned home from school.

 

[Donjeta]

AH is not LE and he does not have any access to their information. He makes himself and sources appear to be more credible than they are much of the time, imo.

There is no reason for LE to state it as a fact if they have not determined it to be true.

IN MY OPINION, it is a non-issue in this case unless someone other than the people designated to pick her up from her bus stop showed up and left with her. LE has stated she was accounted for after she returned home from school.

I did not say his sources were credible. I don't know any of these people. I don't know why they'd make up something like this but they could have. I just replied to a post saying they were anonymous, pointing out that they're not, one of them has been named by AH and another can be identified as the other's girlfriend.

I do wish that there was a transcript or a video to see exactly what LE said about the issue.

Are you saying that everything LE says must be true? Didn't we just discuss it the other day when LE was saying that they didn't expect to find anything incriminating at the Baker county property, that LE can make misleading statements, leave important facts out or even lie if it serves their purpose or if the release of some information could jeopardise the investigation?

For now I am assuming that the AC guy or some neighbors saw Haleigh after the bus pick up because LE gave the timeline from 7 pm onwards but I do find it curious that there are differing stories for something as straightforward.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I did not say his sources were credible. I don't know any of these people. I don't know why they'd make up something like this but they could have. I just replied to a post saying they were anonymous, pointing out that they're not, one of them has been named by AH and another can be identified as the other's girlfriend.

I do wish that there was a transcript or a video to see exactly what LE said about the issue.
Are you saying that everything LE says must be true? Didn't we just discuss it the other day when LE was saying that they didn't expect to find anything incriminating at the Baker county property, that LE can make misleading statements, leave important facts out or even lie if it serves their purpose or if the release of some information could jeopardise the investigation?

For now I am assuming that the AC guy or some neighbors saw Haleigh after the bus pick up because LE gave the timeline from 7 pm onwards but I do find it curious that there are differing stories for something as straightforward.

BBM

I've asked for a link. Hopefully, it is forthcoming.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I did not say his sources were credible. I don't know any of these people. I don't know why they'd make up something like this but they could have. I just replied to a post saying they were anonymous, pointing out that they're not, one of them has been named by AH and another can be identified as the other's girlfriend.

I do wish that there was a transcript or a video to see exactly what LE said about the issue.

Are you saying that everything LE says must be true? Didn't we just discuss it the other day when LE was saying that they didn't expect to find anything incriminating at the Baker county property, that LE can make misleading statements, leave important facts out or even lie if it serves their purpose or if the release of some information could jeopardise the investigation?

For now I am assuming that the AC guy or some neighbors saw Haleigh after the bus pick up because LE gave the timeline from 7 pm onwards but I do find it curious that there are differing stories for something as straightforward.

I am not saying everything LE says must be true, but this isn't a big deal to them, imo. I said I don't see a reason why they would make a statement to confuse the issue if it wasn't true. It doesn't matter who picked her up that day and witness accounts could be totally inaccurate on the date.

Picking children up daily blurs together for most people unless something specific happens to make it stand out in some way. If it is uneventful, it is the same routine and makes it difficult to recall details at a later date.

For instance, if Santa picked Haleigh up that particular day...I would expect people to remember it and give details as to what he was wearing, what was said, and their own child's reaction.

 

[Donjeta]

It's true that days blur together and I couldn't tell you who picked my kids up on which days in February. However, I expect that all the parents on the bus stop were questioned by LE pretty much straight away on Tuesday or Wednesday, since we know LE checked the neighbors and they would have asked questions from the other parents of children in Haleigh's school bus as a matter of procedure, to rule out any sightings of strange lurkers at the bus stop etc.

I also expect that finding out that a child you know has gone missing and being questioned would qualify as "something specific" that would make that Monday stand out from the rest of the days. If that's not unusual enough to aid memory I don't know what is.

Furthermore, it was Monday and Haleigh didn't attend school the rest of the week. If they were questioned by LE right away, they wouldn't have been likely to mix Monday up with the previous Friday or any other earlier day because people can normally tell the difference between yesterday and last week or earlier. And later on they would remember that day because the interrogation and the news about Haleigh would make it stand out.

That is of course assuming that they told the same story about Misty picking the children up to LE. If they told LE that they saw RC pick her up and changed it when AH asked them questions the problem is not likely to be a question of memory, IMO.

Maybe they have problems with vision, or MC and RC both showed up at the bus stop but they saw only one. Or they lie. I don't know but I would like to find out. It may not be a big deal to LE, if they have it all figured out, but it's a curious inconsistency, and I don't like those.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I see you have more faith in that LE Dept. than I do! LOL They didn't move that fast to question the family! It was at least a week or longer, IIRC, LE dropped off "packets" for Crystal's family to fill out and return to them before they questioned them according to Marie in one interview.

I don't see LE rushing to the bus stop to get witness statements in a timely manner here. They would have checked school records and probably talked to the bus driver to confirm she was on the bus.

 

[Patty G]

Do you have a link, please ?

All the show videos are here: Show Transcripts and Show Videos - NO DISCUSSION! - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community I don't see a Prime News video for March 2nd though. I will check my videos to see if I missed posting Prime News for March 2nd.

:woohoo: UPDATE: March 2, 2009 Prime News is there. I just entered it in a separate post.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Patty, I believe Ath said it was from March 3rd instead of the 2nd.

 

[Donjeta]

I see you have more faith in that LE Dept. than I do! LOL They didn't move that fast to question the family! It was at least a week or longer, IIRC, LE dropped off "packets" for Crystal's family to fill out and return to them before they questioned them according to Marie in one interview.

I don't see LE rushing to the bus stop to get witness statements in a timely manner here. They would have checked school records and probably talked to the bus driver to confirm she was on the bus.

This on Tuesday Feb 10:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html

Rose said that while they have no reason to suspect foul play, deputies went door to door and searched cars leaving the neighborhood and contacted known sex offenders in the area to establish their whereabouts. They also brought K-9 unit in to track any leads.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-10/story/putnam_issues_missing_child_alert

SATSUMA — More than 130 searchers on land and in water scoured southern Putnam County Tuesday, unable to find a 5-year-old Satsuma girl who had gone missing from her bed.

While distraught family members and friends waited, officers from local and state agencies as well as the FBI looked for Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, searching neighbors’ homes and any vehicles leaving the neighborhood on the east bank of the St. Johns River

LE went door to door in the neighborhood, searching the neighbors' homes on Tuesday. The parents of other children at the same bus stop are neighbors so I assume their homes were included in the search. It is possible that LE missed talking to this particular couple. Or they might have conducted all their neighborhood searches without asking anyone if they'd seen Haleigh or knew anything about her whereabouts on Monday but I really do wish to have more faith in LE than that.

 

[Donjeta]

All the show videos are here: Show Transcripts and Show Videos - NO DISCUSSION! - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community I don't see a Prime News video for March 2nd though. I will check my videos to see if I missed posting Prime News for March 2nd.

How about March third?

BTW thanks for all the videos, you've done a magnificent job keeping us updated.

 

[Patty G]

All the show videos are here: Show Transcripts and Show Videos - NO DISCUSSION! - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community I don't see a Prime News video for March 2nd though. I will check my videos to see if I missed posting Prime News for March 2nd.

:woohoo: UPDATE: March 2, 2009 Prime News is there. I just entered it in a separate post.

bumping

 

[Patty G]

How about March third?

BTW thanks for all the videos, you've done a magnificent job keeping us updated.

Prime News didn't cover Haleigh on March 3, 2009 according to all the videos I recorded.

 

[TxLady2]

This on Tuesday Feb 10:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html


http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-10/story/putnam_issues_missing_child_alert



LE went door to door in the neighborhood, searching the neighbors' homes on Tuesday. The parents of other children at the same bus stop are neighbors so I assume their homes were included in the search. It is possible that LE missed talking to this particular couple. Or they might have conducted all their neighborhood searches without asking anyone if they'd seen Haleigh or knew anything about her whereabouts on Monday but I really do wish to have more faith in LE than that.

I believe that searching for a missing child would take priority over questioning of family members. I do however, think that there was an initial questioning, but more to determine if there was anything suspicious they could relate, such as strange people in the neighborhood, or any threats made to them by anyone. Their top priority those first few days was to try to find Haleigh alive, if at all possible.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I checked Prime News for the days surrounding March 3rd:

March 2nd - interviews were with Don Clark and T.J. Hart
March 3rd - no Prime News tape
March 4th - no Prime News tape
March 5th - interviews were with T.J. Hart and Mike Brooks
March 6th - interview was with Nancy Grace

Is there another source for Mike G interviewing a LEO who allegedly confirms that RC picked Haleigh up ?

 

[Busylady]

Would be March 3rd the Mike Gelano show between 5 and 7 - unfortunately you have to order and pay for the video.

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As this has been discussed many many times you have to order a copy of the video. If you google you will see that many different forums discussed this show and what was said on it at that time regarding the neighbors seeing Haleigh and the bus stop info.