Halyna Hutchins Shot With Prop Gun - Alec Baldwin indicted & Hannah Gutierrez-Reed charged, 2021 #7

[ch_13]

No, they're covering profanity. *advertiser censored* *advertiser censored*

I don't know where you get that idea. These words quoted by @Trebor5591 are from the testimony of Lucien Haag, the firearm examiner. He's not cursing, he's describing the operation of AB's revolver.

• "He closes gate If I’m ready to shoot, I’m gonna *advertiser censored* it."
• Hammer is pulled but hammer falls and is captured at “half *advertiser censored*” position, preventing the gun from firing.

I just realized that the past-tense isn't censored. So I can say that the word in question is "cocked" as in "the gun was cocked", only minus the -ed at the end.

Edit - Actually, I believe the first quote is from AB. But he's describing what he plans to do. He's not cursing at anyone.

 

[Slick762]

I don't know where you get that idea. These words quoted by @Trebor5591 are from the testimony of Lucien Haag, the firearm examiner. He's not cursing, he's describing the operation of AB's revolver.

• "He closes gate If I’m ready to shoot, I’m gonna *advertiser censored* it."
• Hammer is pulled but hammer falls and is captured at “half *advertiser censored*” position, preventing the gun from firing.

I just realized that the past-tense isn't censored. So I can say that the word in question is "cocked" as in "the gun was cocked", only minus the -ed at the end.

Edit - Actually, I believe the first quote is from AB. But he's describing what he plans to do. He's not cursing at anyone.

Well apparently the website thinks people shouldn't guns on movie sets but if the gun was already cocked, it's ok.

 

[Dre]

Or HGR testimony?? CYA is the only acronym going on in this trial---MOO.

Oh absolutely HGR is pure CYA and nothing else- goes without saying at this point as far as
I’m concerned. i just thought that DH- the only person actually admitting negligence, lied on the stand more than once, moo.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I don't know where you get that idea. These words quoted by @Trebor5591 are from the testimony of Lucien Haag, the firearm examiner. He's not cursing, he's describing the operation of AB's revolver.

• "He closes gate If I’m ready to shoot, I’m gonna *advertiser censored* it."
• Hammer is pulled but hammer falls and is captured at “half *advertiser censored*” position, preventing the gun from firing.

I just realized that the past-tense isn't censored. So I can say that the word in question is "cocked" as in "the gun was cocked", only minus the -ed at the end.

Edit - Actually, I believe the first quote is from AB. But he's describing what he plans to do. He's not cursing at anyone.

It's an automated system on WS that's picking up words or phrases that could be related to adult content or profanity. Can you understand that? Nobody is suggesting the quotes are containing adult content or profanity in and of themselves.

 

[Oculus]

I have a few thoughts on a thing I read on the wiki post, cited from an article.

Apparently police said early on that the actual shooting was not caught on film. This must be false, right?

To me, it looks clearly like the moment was captured, as shown in this bodycam footage:

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Time: around 47:48 in.

You can see the gun go off and the camera first turned up and then to the right.

It also looks like Baldwin did pull the trigger there, you can see that the index finger goes behind the guard before the shot. Of course, this could be a failed attempt to uncock the hammer as well.


It also shows that there was a second or two, after the draw, before the shot went off.

 

[Weki]

Why do people dislike DH? Has he made out of court statements? He seemed forthright on the stand to me but it seems he’s suspect for many others. The fact that he owned up to his negligence works in his favor for me. Genuinely asking.

 

[Marantz4250b]

On day of shooting, HGR said she pulled dummy rounds from a box marked "dummies." She had never seen the box before but decided to load the guns with the rounds without individually checking each round. She just shook the box and heard it "jingle.”


HGR heard in interview:“Where the did this box of dummies come from?”“Oh well, at least we have them now.”


HGR was standing at her cart when shooting happened - she didn’t flinch. Asked "what was that? "Heard in ear piece someone calling for medic. HGR goes into church and sees ppl on ground. HGR: “Was that the gun?” Dave brings HGR the gun


HGR opens cylinder and sees one discharged. All other were fine - they were dummies. HGR Handed ammo to Sarah - “go check that *advertiser censored**ing box.” Detective says that was not what HGR told her weeks prior


@DanaGriffinNBC

If true then this will be her downfall.

Having said that - it in no way absolves anyone else of responsibility and especially not the person holding the gun when it discharged.

Don't want to take the heat when you shoot someone? Don't use firearms - especially in a professional capacity!

 

[Chelly]

Why do people dislike DH? Has he made out of court statements? He seemed forthright on the stand to me but it seems he’s suspect for many others. The fact that he owned up to his negligence works in his favor for me. Genuinely asking.

For pleading guilty of unsafe handling of a firearm, David Halls was quick to accept a plea deal requiring a $500 fine, 6 months probation, completion of a gun safety course plus 24-hours of community service. He also agreed to testify for the prosecution at HGR and AB trials. Some people may think DH got off easy, and was not completely honest in his testimony . Overall, I think he was just being smart. (my opinion only)

"Rust" assistant director David Halls pleads guilty to gun charge in movie set death

David Halls was sentenced to six months of probation after agreeing to plead guilty to the charge.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[ch_13]

I have a few thoughts on a thing I read on the wiki post, cited from an article.

Apparently police said early on that the actual shooting was not caught on film. This must be false, right?

To me, it looks clearly like the moment was captured, as shown in this bodycam footage:

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Time: around 47:48 in.

You can see the gun go off and the camera first turned up and then to the right.

It also looks like Baldwin did pull the trigger there, you can see that the index finger goes behind the guard before the shot. Of course, this could be a failed attempt to uncock the hammer as well.


It also shows that there was a second or two, after the draw, before the shot went off.

There was some rehearsal footage of Baldwin in the church taken earlier that day. It's hard to make out in the youtube clip, but I imagine that's what the camera screen is showing.

The police investigation had its flaws but I'm sure if the shooting was recorded, the cops would have realized it and we would have seen it during the trial.

 

[Oculus]

There was some rehearsal footage of Baldwin in the church taken earlier that day. It's hard to make out in the youtube clip, but I imagine that's what the camera screen is showing.

The police investigation had its flaws but I'm sure if the shooting was recorded, the cops would have realized it and we would have seen it during the trial.

I agree. However it sure does look like it goes of in the clip don't you think? And the camera's turning straight afterwards as well.

I've seen the other shots from the rehearsals released, but the takes from the angle seen in the video has not been published.

 

[clearskies1]

I believe DH on this. But why did she put dummies in the gun?

This article is from Jan 2023 but it highlights the differences in people's accounts and refers to Halls' version about the dummies being loaded. I still tend to believe Gutierrez more than Halls. Halls had way more experience than Gutierrez and I can see him taking charge. JMO. This part is interesting:

"The accounts of Gutierrez Reed and Halls differ in another significant way. In her telling, Halls was the one making decisions about the gun. But in his version, she was.

Gutierrez Reed testified that Halls told her to bring the gun into the church building. She said that normally, when the crew was lining up the camera, she would bring a plastic gun, but Halls wanted her to bring the real one. He also seemed to want it urgently, forcing her to rush.

“He was like, all right, hurry up, bring the gun in here,” she testified. She said she brought the gun, which she had already loaded with dummies, and asked Halls to do a weapons check. Halls answered that “We don’t have time,” she testified.

She said that she spun the cylinder to allow Halls to look at the dummies, and then left the gun with him. She said she exited the room partly due to COVID restrictions on building occupancy, and also because she had to attend to other prop and armorer duties.

“They usually don’t have me in there unless we’re actually shooting the ammunitions,” she said.

Halls told a much different account. According to Halls, Gutierrez Reed brought the gun into the building and showed him that it was empty — containing no dummies. She then handed it to Baldwin.

A few minutes later, she returned and told him, “I put dummy rounds in the gun.” He said that she had decided to do so of her own accord.

“Because it was such a tight shot of this revolver, I think Hannah made a creative decision that, you know, dummy rounds should be in there to make sure that the gun looks like it’s loaded,” Halls testified.

She showed Halls the gun again, and he saw three or four rounds — all of which appeared to be dummies because they had depressed primers. He did not remember whether she spun the cylinder or not. She then gave the gun back to Baldwin, Halls said."

Dave Halls, ‘Rust’ Assistant Director, Gives Account of Shooting That Conflicts With Others’ Statements (EXCLUSIVE)

In a deposition, 'Rust' first A.D. Dave Halls said that no one person is responsible for Halyna Hutchins' death.

variety.com

 

[ch_13]

This article is from Jan 2023 but it highlights the differences in people's accounts and refers to Halls' version about the dummies being loaded. I still tend to believe Gutierrez more than Halls. Halls had way more experience more Gutierrez and I can see him taking charge. JMO. This part is interesting:

"The accounts of Gutierrez Reed and Halls differ in another significant way. In her telling, Halls was the one making decisions about the gun. But in his version, she was.

Gutierrez Reed testified that Halls told her to bring the gun into the church building. She said that normally, when the crew was lining up the camera, she would bring a plastic gun, but Halls wanted her to bring the real one. He also seemed to want it urgently, forcing her to rush.

“He was like, all right, hurry up, bring the gun in here,” she testified. She said she brought the gun, which she had already loaded with dummies, and asked Halls to do a weapons check. Halls answered that “We don’t have time,” she testified.

She said that she spun the cylinder to allow Halls to look at the dummies, and then left the gun with him. She said she exited the room partly due to COVID restrictions on building occupancy, and also because she had to attend to other prop and armorer duties.

“They usually don’t have me in there unless we’re actually shooting the ammunitions,” she said.

Halls told a much different account. According to Halls, Gutierrez Reed brought the gun into the building and showed him that it was empty — containing no dummies. She then handed it to Baldwin.

A few minutes later, she returned and told him, “I put dummy rounds in the gun.” He said that she had decided to do so of her own accord.

“Because it was such a tight shot of this revolver, I think Hannah made a creative decision that, you know, dummy rounds should be in there to make sure that the gun looks like it’s loaded,” Halls testified.

She showed Halls the gun again, and he saw three or four rounds — all of which appeared to be dummies because they had depressed primers. He did not remember whether she spun the cylinder or not. She then gave the gun back to Baldwin, Halls said."

Dave Halls, ‘Rust’ Assistant Director, Gives Account of Shooting That Conflicts With Others’ Statements (EXCLUSIVE)

In a deposition, 'Rust' first A.D. Dave Halls said that no one person is responsible for Halyna Hutchins' death.

variety.com

The thing about David Halls is that he has a long history of being cavalier around firearms and eschewing safety:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/24/entertainment/rust-shooting-assistant-director-halls-complaints/index.html

[W]hile working on Hulu’s “Into the Dark” Anthology Series in February and May of 2019, Halls neglected to hold safety meetings and consistently failed to announce the presence of a firearm on set to the crew, as is protocol.

Assistant Director Who Gave Alec Baldwin Loaded Pistol Was Fired From 2019 Film Over Gun Incident

The man who handed Alec Baldwin the loaded gun that killed a cinematographer last week was fired from a movie in 2019 over a gun incident.

www.rollingstone.com

“I can confirm that Dave Halls was fired from the set of Freedom’s Path in 2019 after a crew member incurred a minor and temporary injury when a gun was unexpectedly discharged. Halls was removed from set immediately after the prop gun discharged. Production did not resume filming until Dave was off-site,” the producer said in the statement. “An incident report was taken and filed at that time.”


Considering his history I have a little bit of trouble accepting DH's testimony at face value.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Why do people dislike DH? Has he made out of court statements? He seemed forthright on the stand to me but it seems he’s suspect for many others. The fact that he owned up to his negligence works in his favor for me. Genuinely asking.

My industry contacts told me long ago he had a reputation, FWIW.
Edit: @ch_13's post gives a better reference.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

I have a few thoughts on a thing I read on the wiki post, cited from an article.

Apparently police said early on that the actual shooting was not caught on film. This must be false, right?

To me, it looks clearly like the moment was captured, as shown in this bodycam footage:

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Time: around 47:48 in.

You can see the gun go off and the camera first turned up and then to the right.

It also looks like Baldwin did pull the trigger there, you can see that the index finger goes behind the guard before the shot. Of course, this could be a failed attempt to uncock the hammer as well.


It also shows that there was a second or two, after the draw, before the shot went off.

Excellent catch. Who has the video off the production camera which is shown running on the production camera's display?

 

[Oculus]

Excellent catch. Who has the video off the production camera which is shown running on the production camera's display?

After further research I've come to the conclusion that it is NOT the fatal shot that can be seen in the bodycam video.

Three factors:

1. There are several statements saying that the camera was not rolling at the time if the incident.

2. Baldwin aims camera LEFT when the apparent "shot" goes off in the bodycam video, while it seems established that the victim was standing on the right side of the camera, with the Gaffer to her right.

3. The upward motion at the end of the clip is because the camera was still mounted on the steadicam. Hence the typical, camera up, after the take, before stopping the recording/roll.

It also makes sense that the last take recorded on the camera was shot with the camera still in the steadicam configuration. It is consistent with the narrative that after the change to the Dolly, there where no more takes recorded before (or after) the incident.

But it sure looks like there's a shot in the video when looking at it! But your eyes can be deceived...

So I've debunked myself. That's enough work for today.

 

[Luna20]

The thing about David Halls is that he has a long history of being cavalier around firearms and eschewing safety:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/24/entertainment/rust-shooting-assistant-director-halls-complaints/index.html

[W]hile working on Hulu’s “Into the Dark” Anthology Series in February and May of 2019, Halls neglected to hold safety meetings and consistently failed to announce the presence of a firearm on set to the crew, as is protocol.

Assistant Director Who Gave Alec Baldwin Loaded Pistol Was Fired From 2019 Film Over Gun Incident

The man who handed Alec Baldwin the loaded gun that killed a cinematographer last week was fired from a movie in 2019 over a gun incident.

www.rollingstone.com

“I can confirm that Dave Halls was fired from the set of Freedom’s Path in 2019 after a crew member incurred a minor and temporary injury when a gun was unexpectedly discharged. Halls was removed from set immediately after the prop gun discharged. Production did not resume filming until Dave was off-site,” the producer said in the statement. “An incident report was taken and filed at that time.”


Considering his history I have a little bit of trouble accepting DH's testimony at face value.

This brings another twist to the case. If AB knew of Halls previous incident combined with HGR lack of experience what does that imply as far as a safe and professional crew and set? He had to know about it but he went on with it to save time and money.

 

[cocomod]

This brings another twist to the case. If AB knew of Halls previous incident combined with HGR lack of experience what does that imply as far as a safe and professional crew and set? He had to know about it but he went on with it to save time and money.

DH had more leverage and influence on the set than AB.

 

[Betty P]

I agree. However it sure does look like it goes of in the clip don't you think? And the camera's turning straight afterwards as well.

I've seen the other shots from the rehearsals released, but the takes from the angle seen in the video has not been published.

Yes, after watching a second time, I believe it is the shooting, from Halyna’s camera. I can’t tell if Alec’s finger is on the trigger, though

 

[Betty P]

DH had more leverage and influence on the set than AB.

Wasn’t he the one who was supervising HRG and the assistant, too?

AB’s job was to act, period.

 

[ch_13]

This brings another twist to the case. If AB knew of Halls previous incident combined with HGR lack of experience what does that imply as far as a safe and professional crew and set? He had to know about it but he went on with it to save time and money.

I know AB had a producer credit and I think he probably had script approval as well as veto-power over the director and his fellow actors. But I doubt he got involved in the nitty-gritty of hiring the "little" people like HGR or DH or all the other minutiae of movie-making such as budgeting, scheduling and so on. Do you really see him poring over resumes, updating spreadsheets, and so on? That's the job of the line producer. In the case of Rust that was Gabrielle Pickle, who testified previously.

DH had more leverage and influence on the set than AB.

I don't know if I'd go that far. AB was the big name and I'm sure the highest paid person on the movie. He could have insisted that they follow protocol in regards to the safety briefings and ammunition checks. I'm sure DH and HGR would have listened and followed through.

But it doesn't seem like AB ever used this power, so DH had free rein to run the set however he wanted.