Hand off of Gabriel at Raymond Rimkus Park

[BeanE]

Or total confusion. "Hey! You said there was nothing illegal about hiding my baby!"

 

[YellowSubmarine]

The interview with TS regarding EJ calling her is such bs it makes my stomach turn every time I watch it.

Does anyone know the date of that? It didn't show it at the link . . . . or, I zipped right passed it. I'm just wondering because the jailhouse call with the reporter was on or just before 1/5 -- everything was fine and dandy with EJ and the S's -- then when EJ's calling her, she's "shocked" as to why she's calling. "Why are you calling me?"

It's ridiculous how smart she thinks she is. WE can see right through her!

 

[BeanE]

The interview with TS regarding EJ calling her is such bs it makes my stomach turn every time I watch it.

Does anyone know the date of that? It didn't show it at the link . . . . or, I zipped right passed it. I'm just wondering because the jailhouse call with the reporter was on or just before 1/5 -- everything was fine and dandy with EJ and the S's -- then when EJ's calling her, she's "shocked" as to why she's calling. "Why are you calling me?"

It's ridiculous how smart she thinks she is. WE can see right through her!

The article is Jan 25. I think it says the call was the Friday before?

 

[vjlaw]

Gamble said Wednesday that Johnson also describes the park in detail: from the jogging trail, to the wooded area, and the park bench where she says she met a couple on the morning of Dec. 27.

Gamble said he believes that the couple was sent there by a third party who she trusted.

"I was able to see the handwritten notes and it's very compelling, because it tells the story of what she did when she was down here," said Gamble. "It gives details about her contacting women's shelters, crisis centers."

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Gamble said the couple that met Johnson at the park were in their 30s or 40s. He said the man has short, dark hair and the woman is about 5-feet, 6-inches with long, blond hair.

Isn't this the description that came from EJ in a jail conversation and also that she met the couple in the park? So, maybe she was talking, at least some.

 

[kappy50]

Good morning, my friend. We only have a little about that conversation on the 18th, all from Tammi. It would be great if Elizabeth jotted down a few notes in that journal.

I'm not sure Elizabeth told Tammi she was taking off. I think her emotional state was one of high frustration towards Logan. Tammi has an irritating personality. If I was upset and frustrating, I'd cut her off - I wouldn't be able to stand it. I can't stand her on a good day. I think Elizabeth said, "Yeah, yeah, come pick Gabe up on Monday (or whatever day)" and boogied.

Gabe's family wasn't able to pin down that date, but it makes sense that TPS and EJ would have an "excited" conversation when TPS arrives to pick up Gabe, and 'her' baby isn't there. She must have been in a fine state. EJ was also in a fine state.

All MOO.

Your always so insightful...but what conversation was it that was overheard that she says something to the effect " what you want me to do, bring him back"...not exact words, was it what the babysitter heard or the people at the salon ??? Not trying to get off topic here..

 

[BeanE]

Your always so insightful...but what conversation was it that was overheard that she says something to the effect " what you want me to do, bring him back"...not exact words, was it what the babysitter heard or the people at the salon ??? Not trying to get off topic here..

That sounds like the babysitter on the 23rd.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Isn't this the description that came from EJ in a jail conversation and also that she met the couple in the park? So, maybe she was talking, at least some.

You're right. I think it's promising that she was giving at least some truthful info. I have the feeling, though, she chose that info to give because she didn't think anyone would ever put the pieces together.

 

[kappy50]

That sounds like the babysitter on the 23rd.

I found it! It's on the Babysitter thread # 15. The calendar says she babysat on the 21st., the calendar could be wrong and she sat on the 23rd.......but if it was on the 21st. and if "grandma" was indeed TS, then TS knew she was gone....thus, why go to the trailer, if indeed they did....let me know if I needs to move these toughts somewhere else...I don't want to be o/t and get a spankin"

 

[YellowSubmarine]

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119078&article=6940800

The drama over the disappearance of the little Arizona boy Gabriel Johnson has now moved to Leon Valley, as a private investigator who has taken over the case tells 1200 WOAI's Michael Board that he has detailed evidence indicating that Gabriel's mom was drinking heavily and had fallen into a depression when she gave him to a man and women in Rimkus Park in the northwest side suburb on the morning of December 27th.

More at link

 

[BeanE]

I think we should pull it all together. What we know she said (from the documents and everything directly from her - jail interview, grandfather statements, etc), what she may have said (from TayJay - and mark that as 2nd hand), and this new info, and see how it all lines up and what we can get from it.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I agree BeanE -- the article quotes Gamble as saying he believed EJ was going to start a new life in SA but something changed 12/23-24 and she decided to give Gabe away and flee. We need to gather what we know of those days and figure out what happened and who may have been the problem.

 

[BeanE]

I found it! It's on the Babysitter thread # 15. The calendar says she babysat on the 21st., the calendar could be wrong and she sat on the 23rd.......but if it was on the 21st. and if "grandma" was indeed TS, then TS knew she was gone....thus, why go to the trailer, if indeed they did....let me know if I needs to move these toughts somewhere else...I don't want to be o/t and get a spankin"

No, I'm losing my mind, kappy. Lord help me. It's the 21st. I'm on overload.

We're o/t lol Keep talking though. I'll move us in a sec.

 

[iluvmua]

Did anybody see this couple leave with a baby?

 

[kappy50]

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119078&article=6940800



More at link

HEADLINE "DRUNK"..go down futher "drinking heavily"..go down father..."suggest she had been drinking"...and go down farther..."she left AZ with Gabriel on Dec. 21st"...trying to figure this article out. Anyway to verify from Mr.Gamble that he even did this interview ??? not saying Mr.Board is a liar, maybe he did the interview and Mr. Board is spinning it somewhat...

 

[TXHOPE]

I agree BeanE -- the article quotes Gamble as saying he believed EJ was going to start a new life in SA but something changed 12/23-24 and she decided to give Gabe away and flee. We need to gather what we know of those days and figure out what happened and who may have been the problem.

That would be right around the time the phone call was received in front of the babysitter and the comments were made in front of the hair stylist about not wanting to go back to AZ. I still think that was TS's plan falling through-plan A. Then EJ found plan B fast so we just have to piece it together.

TS could of helped come up with plan B with the help of her friends..JM or any other adoption connection she had or foster connection to just hide Gabriel.

One of the people from the shelters she contacted may of offered her help. A couple that would hide Gabriel for her to protect him from his "awful", "abusive" father. This is all stuff we've talked about but now it's fitting into Ken statements.

 

[TXHOPE]

Maybe EJ mailed it to somebody and they gave it to the PI.

Maybe she ditched it right before she was arrested and hid it, someone found it, gave it to Gamble.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Well, if she spoke with [most likely] TS on 12/22 when she said "what am I supposed to do, go back?" and TS fired off the txt to Logan that day (IIRC) about having to do something quick or she'd be gone forever -- I'm wondering if TS was threatening EJ with something and that's why she figured it'd be easier to ditch Gabe and take off. Kind of a "screw you all" attitude.

But, if this is all true - the HG would not have been the "middle man". If not, if he was just a friend or whatever, why would he not have come forward by now and said "hey, I'm the guy you're all talking about but I didn't do anything"?

Wasn't she seen with another couple before 12/23-24? Didn't she order several pizzas on 12/21? Who would that have been for if not a potential adoptive couple?

 

[BeanE]

Well, if she spoke with [most likely] TS on 12/22 when she said "what am I supposed to do, go back?" and TS fired off the txt to Logan that day (IIRC) about having to do something quick or she'd be gone forever -- I'm wondering if TS was threatening EJ with something and that's why she figured it'd be easier to ditch Gabe and take off. Kind of a "screw you all" attitude.

But, if this is all true - the HG would not have been the "middle man". If not, if he was just a friend or whatever, why would he not have come forward by now and said "hey, I'm the guy you're all talking about but I didn't do anything"?

Wasn't she seen with another couple before 12/23-24? Didn't she order several pizzas on 12/21? Who would that have been for if not a potential adoptive couple?

A potential hiding couple?

 

[TXHOPE]

Well, if she spoke with [most likely] TS on 12/22 when she said "what am I supposed to do, go back?" and TS fired off the txt to Logan that day (IIRC) about having to do something quick or she'd be gone forever -- I'm wondering if TS was threatening EJ with something and that's why she figured it'd be easier to ditch Gabe and take off. Kind of a "screw you all" attitude.

But, if this is all true - the HG would not have been the "middle man". If not, if he was just a friend or whatever, why would he not have come forward by now and said "hey, I'm the guy you're all talking about but I didn't do anything"?

Wasn't she seen with another couple before 12/23-24? Didn't she order several pizzas on 12/21? Who would that have been for if not a potential adoptive couple?

Maybe HG is not coming forward because he wants to stay out of this as long as he possibly can and/or the Smith's paid him well to help EJ and keep an eye on her. Just a theory.

 

[kissdegirl]

Maybe HG is not coming forward because he wants to stay out of this as long as he possibly can and/or the Smith's paid him well to help EJ and keep an eye on her. Just a theory.

Or he's a married man or otherwise in a relationship that this news would ruin. MOO.:waitasec: